Wii VC & Flash Shmups Thread

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 2:39 am

I gave Star Soldier Vanishing Earth a 2nd chance just now, and actually find it to be somewhat underrated. Hopefully Hudson gets all their SS titles out on WiiVC eventually.

Unfortunately, the standard N64 controller isn't the greatest for the system's sole shmup- and I've got half a notion to cannibalize one for an arcade stick.

I'll pass on R-Type, since I've got the PS1 compilation. It's a shame the Wii version isn't the 4 Meg US one with all the levels. You have to enter passwords on the Japanese 2-card version, which is a little aggravating.

antron wrote:I tried deleting a game to see if I could then download it again for free. No problems there. I do wonder how this will work if I have to get a new Wii for whatever reason.

IIRC, Xbox 360's XBLA keeps a log of XBLA games you've bought on your account- I'm guessing this would be in case you delete a game and want it back later. I'd hope Wii has something similar.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 3:57 am

Hah, you're telling me... I have PS1 R-Types, the TG-16 R-Type, and GBC R-Type DX... I'd get the Wii VC version just so I can say I have a ridiculous number of versions of R-Type. And why not? It IS the best game on this side of the universe after all.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 4:17 am

iatneH wrote:Hah, you're telling me... I have PS1 R-Types, the TG-16 R-Type, and GBC R-Type DX... I'd get the Wii VC version just so I can say I have a ridiculous number of versions of R-Type. And why not? It IS the best game on this side of the universe after all.

Ha, you took the words right out of my mouth. Nothing left to say.

MJR · Post by **MJR** » Fri Dec 22, 2006 7:48 am

Well, I have something left to say. I PS version, bunch of home conversions, and most importantly, the original PCB, but then I don't own TG so I wouldn't mind getting it. After all, it has one extra boss. I did own the GBC version too but sold it because it was not very good 0 : )

Rtype III will be definitely a 'must' buy.
And wait.. space harrier II and opera browser just came out today! Joy!

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:15 am

I'm having a hard time deciding if you guys are serious about R-Types being the best games ever. I think I'll just tell myself that you're kidding, so that I don't go insane. Good games they are, but I can easily think of 10 shooters I like better. Granted, that could be due to my biased opinion of vert > hori, but even still, Border Down > R-Type -_^

al138 · Post by **al138** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:50 am

Arvandor wrote:Granted, that could be due to my biased opinion of vert > hori, but even still, Border Down > R-Type -_^

I'll give you that! Border Down is a better game overall, but R-type still has an air of nostalgia about that Border Down can`t match.

Just so you know, the monaker of "best game ever" is a bit of a running joke on this forum.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 4:56 am

Ah, didn't know it was a running gag ^_^

I know about the nostalgia thing though... Gunsmoke is still one of my favorite shooters.

PBMax · Post by **PBMax** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 8:57 am

The Christmas VC games are up and ready to download.

I was all set to download R-Type but I decided to make sure it was the TG-16 version with all 8 stages. The Hudson Web page says, "While R-Type contains all the standard trappings of a horizontal shooter, the four stages you'll fly through are be best described as some of the most grueling and intense shooting stages you'll ever face. If you thought Super Star Solider was tough, then R-Type is relentless."

So who knows. It could be 4 or 8 stages. If anyone buys it please play through to the end of stage 4 and let us know.

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:08 am

R-type is priced at 800 points which is 200 points more than other Turbo offerings. At that price I would have to conclude that it is the complete US release as this is also the only way the game was released here in the US. Would you believe that I paid $69.99 (plus tax) for R-Type back in 1990!?!?!

If anyone gets the VC R-type please post impressions on it. I am mainly wondering if there is still heavy flicker.

I haven't gotten it as I have a rule that I don't dl VC games I already physically own unless there are major enhancements.

Vexorg · Post by **Vexorg** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:27 am

I'll probably download R-Type once I get my Wii back from my parents' house (these days, it seems like it spends more time over there than it does at my place...) I did download Bonk's Adventure not too long ago, and haven't had any flickering problems with it. I suspect if the flickering was in the TG16 original, it'll probably be here as well though.

PBMax · Post by **PBMax** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:34 am

R-Type US version confirmed, by a friendly player at GAF.

[quote=olubode]Ok, my old skills have kicked in. I can make it past the third boss on one ship. Now the fun part starts...

EDIT: SUCCESS!!! ITS THE US VERSION BITCHES!!! ON LEVEL 5 AS WE SPEAK!!![/quote]

animefanjr · Post by **animefanjr** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:51 pm

I got it, its hard. Ya its worth the extra 200 points because I got to, dum dum sum, level 5!!!! So ya its the whole game and ya the extra 200 is giving you the while game. The flicker is still there too, espically on boss explosions.

Great game. I got SMB and Super CV 4 too. What a good retro day!

Sonic R · Post by **Sonic R** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:21 pm

Thanks for reply guys!

R-type was hampered with flicker but i got used to it as a youth. I paid alot of cash back in the day and yeah I put mega hours into this game. I still cannot pass level 7 and still have trouble with level 6. I played my hucard yesterday and got to level 6 with 1 death and well it went downhill in level 6 oh well I still love this game!

animefanjr · Post by **animefanjr** » Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:37 pm

Ya Postman came over yesterday and got to level 6, that stage is hard. Having only 3 credits make it very tough.

I wanted to let you all know that like all VC games it is 480p but it is also set to widescreen. It is the only one I downloaded that doesen't revert to 4:3. I don't know if the original or arcade are like that but its very nice on my 47in HDTV.

I am loving the VC so far.

al138 · Post by **al138** » Sun Dec 31, 2006 11:29 pm

animefanjr wrote: The flicker is still there too, espically on boss explosions.

I would be disappointed if it wasn't--just like the slowdown on Castlevania IV. The flicker was part of the experience on the TG16/PCE and NES, just as slowdown was part of the experience on the SNES. Makes things just a little more authentic...

You know, the more I think about it, the more I want to buy R-Type on VC just for the hell of it, especially since this coming week looks so bland (Baseball and Urban Champion--give me a break). The TG16 version did have a unique character, and to be honest I'm a little too lazy to dig out my TurboDuo to play the HuCard.

My fingers are crossed for a surprise release of Dungeon Explorer tomorrow...

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:27 am

PBMax wrote:EDIT: SUCCESS!!! ITS THE US VERSION BITCHES!!! ON LEVEL 5 AS WE SPEAK!!!

Excellent. Perhaps that's why R-Type costs a few dollars more than the other TG-16 titles? It controls beautifully with the Classic Controller. I got this one instead of Super Star Soldier because I'm not so sure about the latter in wide screen. Even if you can switch to 4:3 ratio, I wouldn't do so because it's supposed to be bad for my tv to use the black borders. I just live with the stretched image, when it's present.

Arvandor · Post by **Arvandor** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 2:42 am

Perhaps THAT's why my roommate's bigscreen has grey letterboxing in one of its ratios. Irritating as it may be, if it's better on the TV it makes perfect sense ^_^

MJR · Post by **MJR** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 11:32 am

I noticed my -bought in EU area- copy of VC Rtype being the complete US version, as well. This is great news!

There is one added value in TG version of Rtype, compared to other versions: stage 6 has an additional boss that even the arcade version hasn't

Skyknight · Post by **Skyknight** » Mon Jan 01, 2007 5:01 pm

And meanwhile, if you look at the GameFAQ's board (Wii section), you ALREADY have people grousing about the higher price.

{sigh} They'd better take my point about the price being merited by the increased disk space seriously, or I'm going to have to worry about them.

Never mind that $6-$8 doesn't sound particularly high for a single game to me, not unless you plan on acquiring around 10-15 games a month (which classifies as sever overkill)...

al138 · Post by **al138** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 3:14 am

Skyknight wrote:And meanwhile, if you look at the GameFAQ's board (Wii section), you ALREADY have people grousing about the higher price.

Never mind that $6-$8 doesn't sound particularly high for a single game to me, not unless you plan on acquiring around 10-15 games a month (which classifies as sever overkill)...

My friendly suggestion is to stay as far away from the GameFAQs board as humanly possible. It can be a decent place to lurk if you are looking for a Wii in the first place, but beyond that it's a pre-teen wasteland.

As for the games, $8 for a Turbo game would be cause for concern if it were not for the particulars of R-Type's treatment on the system in Japan. Beyond that, $6 is a comfortable price for TG-16/PCE releases. I can understand why some individuals don't like the idea of paying more than $6 for a TG16 game--they simply do not know the history of the game. Their gripes can be easily dismissed if this is a one-time occurance, but if this is a sign of Nintendo toying with a $8 price point for the TG/PCE games, I'll complain right along with them.

I own all the TG games with the exception of Victory Run (yeah, I finally submitted to the urge to buy R-Type), but an $8 price point would have pushed all the titles except for Super Star Soldier & R-Type to the wayside. If truth be told, I believe $8 is too much for most Genesis and SNES games. As a result, I'll only score a select core of "must have" titles for those systems. I could see $8 for Sonic and Golden Axe, but I already have them in two (or more) classic game compiliations. If it isn't a dedicated shooter (such as the Thunder Force series) or another top-notch title not on a previous compilation, Genesis titles won't see $8 from me. And right now only Castlevania IV has prevailed upon me for the SNES. I'm fairly sure I'm not alone in this sentament.

Nintendo is walking a fine line when it comes to their VC titles. Don't get me wrong, I really like the VC feature, but I'm still readily aware of what it COULD be based on the model set forth by the XBox 360. Without extra features (leaderboards, online multiplayer, presentatiion bonuses like orginal artwork/instruction manuals etc.) to give additional value to these titles, my motivation drops significantly to buy just any title for the Genesis and SNES beyond those that have a personal import to me.

An $8 price point for TG16/PCE games would place them in the same boat. Here's hoping that R-Type is an isolated (and understandable) exception for the time being.

FRO · Post by **FRO** » Tue Jan 02, 2007 11:23 pm

If you can browse & play flash shmups, you should really try RaidenX:

http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/RaidenX.html

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Sun Jan 07, 2007 11:13 pm

FRO wrote:If you can browse & play flash shmups, you should really try RaidenX:

http://www.crazymonkeygames.com/RaidenX.html

I know; 'wanted to since the beginning. I wish it could run on there. But I've tried to get a USB keyboard running on the Wii. No dice.

I've mashed the keyboard enough on the control part of the options menu tryin' to switch the Arrows to Mouse. There was never a RaidenX version that allowed you to change that to mouse control was there? I looked around, never found anything.

'Got my Wii back from the woman and tested all the listed flash games. Wasted Sky, Sky Fire, and Mouse Wars do work well. Just make sure upon shooting your first time you let go of the button as little as possible if at all. The A button doesn't have 100% response in flash games. Page 1 will tell you how to get around that. If Nintendo can get its shit together on the A button problem a lot more of those flash games will work right.

Zach Keene · Post by **Zach Keene** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 1:43 pm

Apparently today's North American VC update will include NES Gradius and Soldier Blade.

antron · Post by **antron** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:20 pm

I am waiting for a 2 player shmup.

Isn't Wii supposed to symbolize 'We'

Zach Keene · Post by **Zach Keene** » Mon Jan 08, 2007 9:07 pm

Rumor alert: Bio-Hazard Battle soon? (And OT, but Streets of Rage is also on this list.)

al138 · Post by **al138** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 12:47 am

Zach Keene wrote:Rumor alert: Bio-Hazard Battle soon? (And OT, but Streets of Rage is also on this list.)

Gamespot is saying the same thing:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6163866.ht ... ws;title;4

Bio-Hazard Battle was a fairly good title, but Streets of Rage is something to really get excited about.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 6:54 am

Zach Keene wrote:Apparently today's North American VC update will include NES Gradius and Soldier Blade.

$6 for Soldier Blade is a bargain. Nice addition.

And just played Raiden X for the first time. Best flash game ever. Whenever I get my Wii, the first thing I am trying with the opera browser is either Raiden X or seeing if I can watch Homestarrunner on my brother's plasma.

General VC discussion wise (not trying to throw the thread off track mind you), at this point, the only way Nintendo can make VC look even slightly comparable to Live Arcade, is they have to really step up to the plate and truly show the fans that they want our money instead of acting like we should just give it to them.

Not only should they lighten up and allow cross region purchases, they should be doing things like having the emulation team translate and release in NA games which never made it here. Imagine if you could download english versions of the Mother series, or play titles like Bomberman 93 and Mario Kart 64 battle mode online.

But Nintendo is sadly too incompetent and indifferent to ever make this sort of effort. Obviously ideas like the above were probably discussed lightly if ever in NOJ's boardroom when VC was first put into motion. I really hope the gaming press starts drilling someone at NOA over this soon as to why a gamer should buy VC over XBLA.

And Sega: A) why is Master System still not announced for VC? B) you will getting no Wii points from me for a very long time due to Sonic Gems collection and the Genesis compilation.

Zach Keene · Post by **Zach Keene** » Tue Jan 09, 2007 9:04 pm

R-Type III has been rated at the ESRB. If only we could redeem a copy of the GBA version...

Edit: here's a link to Sega's press release direct from Sega itself. Also their VC page lists all of these games that aren't SoR or BHB as coming out on the 22nd.

al138 · Post by **al138** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 12:50 am

^^^
R-Type III rated? I can't wait...

Dylan1CC wrote:And Sega: A) why is Master System still not announced for VC?

I would love to see the Fantasy Zone and Power Strike/Aleste series on VC. While I would prefer a 500 point price for SMS titles, I would be willing to pay 600 thanks to the Z80 processing. The SMS may not have been the better system in terms of overall titles, but it did sound and look better than the NES.

And how hard would it be for Nintendo to take a little extra time and give us a better presentation on these games? I don't absolutely need online multiplayer, but online score leaderboards and original artwork, including manuals and boxes, don't appear to be too much to ask.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:08 am

^^^

Agree with everything you just said.