Shooters with unfair bosses

Ceph · Post by **Ceph** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:42 pm

I nominate Veritex (Mega Drive) as number 1 contender.

Here is why: After getting killed about 20 times by the final boss (a gigantic brain which shoots huge beams from randomly popping up eyes at you that instantly kill you and are impossible to avoid), I eventually stopped trying and instead went looking for a cheat code. I found a nice one which gives you a shield (Press start to pause the game, hold a+b+c and then press right. Press start to unpause the game) I then discovered that if you input the code the moment you get killed, it revives you. Upon reaching the final boss with the yellow weapon and missiles equipped, I positioned my ship in the top right corner and kept shooting. I was killed about 30-40 times while constantly reviving myself, then the bastard boss from hell finally gave out. I have a feeling this part of the game was never play-tested; the final boss is simply impossible to beat by normal means. All you get after destroying the final boss is a stupid scrolling Japanese text message, in case you were wondering.

Any other nominations?

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 5:57 pm

wall-crawler in thunderfoce 4 (its one off the latter bosses, not sure which since i havent played in ages).. tight squeeze to manovre and all.. but sometimes it just crushes you against the wall with nowhere to go.. wtf?

Post by **Icarus** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:04 pm

sven666 wrote:wall-crawler in thunderfoce 4 (its one off the latter bosses, not sure which since i havent played in ages).. tight squeeze to manovre and all.. but sometimes it just crushes you against the wall with nowhere to go.. wtf?

You mean the big fecker in stage9?
The one that looks like a giant square crab?

(Stage 9 is called "Wall" by the way, so I'm assuming you mean this one.)

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:20 pm

While not a boss, in Sexy Parodius (may have been Goku), level 5 has a physical wall right in the middle of the level. You ***have*** to have a green bell to get past it or you die.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:23 pm

Sometimes that wall doesn't appear and you get a string of bells instead.

Post by **Icarus** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:32 pm

landshark wrote:While not a boss, in Sexy Parodius (may have been Goku), level 5 has a physical wall right in the middle of the level. You ***have*** to have a green bell to get past it or you die.

Yup, 'tis Sexy Paro, the Sky Chase stage, stage6 I believe (count includes the boss rush). A blue bell works just as well, and is slightly easier to acquire (as you can stock up to three of them).

I'm voting Air Gallet, stage4 boss for now. It takes an insane amount of damage at maximum rank, and usually takes two of my lives as well. >.<

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:56 pm

Icarus wrote:
sven666 wrote:wall-crawler in thunderfoce 4 (its one off the latter bosses, not sure which since i havent played in ages).. tight squeeze to manovre and all.. but sometimes it just crushes you against the wall with nowhere to go.. wtf?
You mean the big fecker in stage9?
The one that looks like a giant square crab?

(Stage 9 is called "Wall" by the way, so I'm assuming you mean this one.)

thats the one!!

i dont remember the boss as being that hard otherwise, just that "well, im gonna kill you now" move..

Post by **Icarus** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:13 pm

sven666 wrote:i dont remember the boss as being that hard otherwise, just that "well, im gonna kill you now" move..

Aside from when it tries to punch you with its claws, I can't actually recall any instant-kill attacks. The boss is fairly easy if you have Blade/FreeWay and the Thunder Sword still available.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 7:38 pm

Not exactly unfair, but I'd say sometimes in Batsugun the boss will be unbalanced in difficulty relative to the rest of the stage. I guess I'm making a different sort of complaint: I dislike when the stuff before the boss has you falling asleep, and then you get hit over the head. Really nice. Almost unfair.

shinsage · Post by **shinsage** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:08 pm

The final boss in Shienryu, or maybe he isn't the final boss because I've never beat him. He was the huge mech thing that destroyed a smaller boss that was about to attack.

He has this hugeass laser attack that is nigh unavoidable.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:23 pm

sven666 wrote: i dont remember the boss as being that hard otherwise, just that "well, im gonna kill you now" move..

You mean after you kill it and it starts moving towards the left edge of the screen? It always seemed to stop before it hit me. The corners should be the safest spot.

DJ Incompetent · Post by **DJ Incompetent** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:40 pm

Wouldn't just about any vert arcade final boss fit in this thing? I mean, the business trick is to encourage a credit feeding as much as possible when the player is just that close to the end...yeah?

JJG · Post by **JJG** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:43 pm

The last boss in Blazing Star, that stupid flying space baby is a bastard.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 8:51 pm

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:50 pm

This is not a shooter, but I just HAVE to vent about Dogosouken/Victory Road:

Your characters move like arthritic snails through molasses, you get to a f***ing worm boss that chases you around the screen, little enemies spawn all over the screen, there is a timer that causes bomb arrows to drop from the sky if you don't hurry up and (get this) YOUR NORMAL SHOTS BOUNCE OFF THE BOSS. You have to kill him with bombs, which is hardly possible since he keeps on trailing you all over the screen. WTF, SNK? Whoever designed that kind of FUBAR gameplay must commit seppuku to wash away the dishonor he brought upon his family.

Thanks.

rib · Post by **rib** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:54 pm

several undeadline bosses.

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 11:34 pm

Specineff wrote:This is not a shooter, but I just HAVE to vent about Dogosouken/Victory Road:

Your characters move like arthritic snails through molasses, you get to a f***ing worm boss that chases you around the screen, little enemies spawn all over the screen, there is a timer that causes bomb arrows to drop from the sky if you don't hurry up and (get this) YOUR NORMAL SHOTS BOUNCE OFF THE BOSS. You have to kill him with bombs, which is hardly possible since he keeps on trailing you all over the screen. WTF, SNK? Whoever designed that kind of FUBAR gameplay must commit seppuku to wash away the dishonor he brought upon his family.

Thanks.

You about need the red grenades to stand a decent chance against this fucker. I hate this boss.

J-Manic · Post by **J-Manic** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:44 am

The final boss in DoDonpachi. Don't get me started on that cheesin ass bastard.

RoninBuddha · Post by **RoninBuddha** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:22 am

hiba...

still need to continue?

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:22 am

every raiden fighters jet boss past stage 15 and the 30 second mark

Post by **Icarus** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:50 am

No one mentioned Ketsui's DOOM yet?
Or Mushi's True Aki?
Lace and Teresa in Ibara?
Garegga's Black Heart Mk2?
Batrider's Envy, Grubby and Discharge?
Psyvariar's Gluon?

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:53 am

Damn near every shmup boss ever is unfair to some extent.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:54 am

Icarus wrote:Mushi's True Aki?

I don't watch many replays, but pretty much every one I've seen of him involves the player dying repeatedly, and just outlasting him because they had a load of lives saved up...is there a replay out there of anyone no-missing him?

Post by **Icarus** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:58 am

BulletMagnet wrote:I don't watch many replays, but pretty much every one I've seen of him involves the player dying repeatedly, and just outlasting him because they had a load of lives saved up...is there a replay out there of anyone no-missing him?

No Miss? Heh, no. True Aki and DOOM are pretty much equal for bullet-spamming and Extend-stealing capabilities.

I've heard there's a way to influence the last pattern so that one of the bullet spamming fireball streams is fired off to the side of the screen, reducing the amount of bullets to dodge. I haven't seen a replay around where this happens, however. Maybe the resident Mushi players might have a bit more info. (TWE? GaijinPunch?)

yojo! · Post by **yojo!** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:56 am

Ceph wrote:I nominate Veritex (Mega Drive) as number 1 contender.

Here is why: After getting killed about 20 times by the final boss (a gigantic brain which shoots huge beams from randomly popping up eyes at you that instantly kill you and are impossible to avoid), I eventually stopped trying and instead went looking for a cheat code. I found a nice one which gives you a shield (Press start to pause the game, hold a+b+c and then press right. Press start to unpause the game) I then discovered that if you input the code the moment you get killed, it revives you. Upon reaching the final boss with the yellow weapon and missiles equipped, I positioned my ship in the top right corner and kept shooting. I was killed about 30-40 times while constantly reviving myself, then the bastard boss from hell finally gave out. I have a feeling this part of the game was never play-tested; the final boss is simply impossible to beat by normal means. All you get after destroying the final boss is a stupid scrolling Japanese text message, in case you were wondering.

Any other nominations?

I don't think it's that hard; I've 1cced verytex a couple of time. There is a blind spot in the upper right corner of the screen. You got to love that music; so freaking 80s...

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:17 am

Eclaire Tonnerre seemed to be a pretty unfair final boss, but people found out that she can be no-missed by Haruhi (Fujioka)

Ergo Proxy had a Gradius-quality final boss. Pathetic.

Black Lagoon's first boss of the second loop is some sick shit, though.

serious reply:
Has anyone gotten past the last pattern of the RF1 boss without bombing?

ArrogantBastard · Post by **ArrogantBastard** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:40 am

Icarus wrote:No Miss? Heh, no. True Aki and DOOM are pretty much equal for bullet-spamming and Extend-stealing capabilities.

I've heard there's a way to influence the last pattern so that one of the bullet spamming fireball streams is fired off to the side of the screen, reducing the amount of bullets to dodge. I haven't seen a replay around where this happens, however. Maybe the resident Mushi players might have a bit more info. (TWE? GaijinPunch?)

I don't know if anyone's ever 1LC'ed Mushihimesama, but in the Mushihimesama DVD, you can see TGA-RET basically surviving the whole fight with Aki without losing a single life. (Although he does lose a life before the Aki.)

Post by **Icarus** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 3:48 am

Was that in the Outtakes section of the DVD? I haven't looked at the outtakes yet.

ArrogantBastard · Post by **ArrogantBastard** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:01 am

Yup. At the near end or at the end of the outtakes section.

Post by **Icarus** » Fri Oct 20, 2006 4:06 am

Hmmm. Might have to watch that now. ^_-

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