This guy agrees with you.Arznei wrote:You aren't alone in disliking Ibara. The game sucks. You basically just roakm around bombing certain areas to exploit the rank system, dying to lower it, and repeating. Arrange mode is the culprit of this.
Ibara is anime hentai bukkake bullshit. I'll wait for a REAL Garegga sequel.
times have changedArznei wrote:Ibara is anime hentai bukkake bullshit. I'll wait for a REAL Garegga sequel.
I was pointing out how what he just typed is incongruent to a later statement.cigsthecat wrote:This guy agrees with you.
I'd start liking Ibara immediately for self respect alone.
I was talking to the thread poster, and in general not to you specifically.Twiddle wrote:I was pointing out how what he just typed is incongruent to a later statement.cigsthecat wrote:This guy agrees with you.
I'd start liking Ibara immediately for self respect alone.
I would enjoy Ibara, and I know pandering to otaku sells. Not much I can do about that.
wtf. Someone please explain why you don't want drawings of hot girls in your videogames.roker wrote: if they made a BG2 and they HAD to make characters, they better resemble the old hardened muscular men of the early 90s/late 80s art styles
I don't know about others, but for me, it's not so much being offended as much as it is a kind of sad trend that's been going on in Japan. Sex and mentally-weak characters sell boatloads, and last year's anime trends reflect this.cigsthecat wrote:Although I really don't understand the whole "being offending by girls" sentiment brewing lately.
I must be thinking of last year. Still, the point has been made, top 25 among a very small group of fans of a very narrow genre--most of which don't even own the game.BulletMagnet wrote:Sixth place, actually. Check again.Also, how the hell can Garegga be overrated? It isn't even in the top 25 anymore.
Rastan78 wrote: Psikyo games come to mind as games where expert players constantly run into enemy sprites on purpose to decrease rank. Not exactly a suicide since you only take a hit that makes you power down, but the sheer amount of times players will intentionally do this in almost all of Psikyo's games for rank control should have gotten them black listed by now.
Never knew about that! I do this a lot in Dragon Blaze, since the power ups don`t matter much in that game opposed to the dragon shot. and I can concentrate on those mean bullets way better that way.I`ll give that a try, maybe I`ll 1cc Strikers 1945ii THAT way one day. 
That's the problem with internet sarcasm.CMoon wrote:And back to the real discussion, Rastan78 and Arznei seem to have it figured out--Ibara has some problems (I think its an OK game), but it really isn't so close to Garegga is others make it out to be. Once again, I could very much see enjoying Garegga and not Ibara.
That's really not quite true...at the beginning of this thread I pretty much stuck to the topic at hand (and IIRC I said more about Souky than I did about Garegga); the thing that set me off was the ridiculous "invisi-bullets are okay because they're more realistic" comment. Garegga in itself isn't what gets me going on this sort of topic (as I've said myriads of times now, in spite of its flaws I like the game a lot): rather, it's the way that arguments which would be laughed off as ridiculous and fanboyish if applied to any other game are seemingly viewed as perfectly sensible and acceptable when given in Garegga's favor. When you ask below "what's your point?" THAT is my point.CMoon wrote:Anyway BM, the issue really is there: Everytime Garegga is mentioned you have to tell us what is broken about it. Why? This is the gazillionth thread now where you explained to us that Garegga is broken.
I guess I could see how I might be seen as being on an "offensive" of sorts...as I said, however, I'm not even "against" the game itself, just the puzzling and uneven attitude some have towards it. If people, even if they disagreed with me, offered up more sensible arguments on the subject rather than the paper-thin wackiness (usually with a generous helping of indignance on the side) I see accepted with open arms so often, I'd have no reason to ever bring this sort of thing up.Its also the gazillionth thread where people complained because you told us that garegga is broken. You speak like your on the defense, but has it occurred to you that it's the other way around?
I have NEVER so much as insinuated anything like that (one more time: I like the game!)...again, it baffles me how people seem to automatically take my comments to their illogical extreme whenever it's on a topic like this one...Like I said in my first post, I just don't like feeling like I'm retarded for enjoying the game.
I'm not demanding that everyone agree with everything I say, I'm just hoping that whenever the next batch of brazenly kooky justifications for shortcomings in ANY game (not just Garegga, though I tend to see it most often in connection with it) comes up, someone (hopefully not just me) will be able to offer up a proverbial "wtf?!" without being labeled as some sort of hopping-mad extremist.If we all agreed with you, gave you a big prize, maybe even pretended we hadn't noticed the inviso-bullets and rank ourselves, could we promise to bring up this topic only once a year?
I don't either, but that Pink Sweets soft porn trailer was f'ing ridiculous. Personally, I like Styleos' artwork, camel toes and all. I think it makes sense that we see more of this style since arcade games are pretty much marketed only in Japan now. In the late 80's early 90's era it was more of an international market, hence the hardcore Predator/Terminator/Aliens/Rambo/Top Gun influence on character designs going on at the time.cigsthecat wrote:Although I really don't understand the whole "being offending by girls" sentiment brewing lately.
*nods* It isn't like I'm pissed off or trying to get after you about it (well, not too much.) I just feel like this whole thing has been run into the ground so many times that it has taken on a life of its own. Garegga really has a lot going for it beyond the rank and invisible bullets, but it seems like that's all anyone ever talks about...BulletMagnet wrote:...stuff...
That much I certainly agree with, as those two things (well, in the former case I wouldn't say that the rank system is itself a "weakness" [it's highly unorthodox and quite challenging, but that's about it, really] as much as its innate inaccessibility is) are really about the only two problems I have with the entire game, I think everything else is very well done. And believe me, no one regrets this whole thing having taken on "a life of its own" more than I do, as it usually results in the point I'm trying to make becoming lost under a tidal wave of emotionally-charged stuff that has nothing to do with the topic at hand.CMoon wrote:Garegga really has a lot going for it beyond the rank and invisible bullets, but it seems like that's all anyone ever talks about...
Small bullets.. dumb anime characters... poor loading times (it loads, starts, LOADS AGAIN, starts?), some bosses require you to save bombs otherwise dodging them is almost impossible, some bullets are super hard to see when you are the second player (blue ship + blue bullets), etc.. I am sure there is more but I have only played the game for about 30 hours. So I cannot say. I dont like the game overall mostly due to different things even if they are small issues.cigsthecat wrote:Rastan78 does have it figured out though.
So I keep seeing posters mention Ibara's flaws, while managing to refrain from actually explaining what they are.
I agree that there are flaws but I'd be interested to see what others think. Except Arznei, who clearly has it all figured out.
dudecigsthecat wrote:wtf. Someone please explain why you don't want drawings of hot girls in your videogames.
If you mean "talking about whether or not a certain rank system is 'good' or 'bad,'" then I agree with you. But of course that's not my agenda (at least not anymoreRandorama wrote:Talking about rank has become the shmup equivalent of talking about a popular sport and what's the best team in an absolute way. Which is nothing short of absurd, of course.
).Though I don't think that means that ANY discussion about it is automatically not worth bothering with...though again, hopefully once the Garegga ST is complete there won't be as much need for it anyways.
you got to be kidding meIcarus wrote:Alien Quadrilogy?roker wrote:you look at society and tell me how many movies starting a strong female lead make it big (with the notable exception of Uma Thurman in Kill Bill)
Terminator 2?
The Matrix Trilogy?
X-Men?
Why?CIT wrote:Please, do not ever, EVER use this non-word! o_OIcarus wrote:Quadrilogy
You should know fine well that the leads are determined by the plot of the movie, and not by some advertising poster. Posters are there to promote, and if you slap on the most well known of the cast, you attract more attention.roker wrote:I must've missed the top billing and the poster of her advertising the movie
my bad
same for Matrix
