Insanity DVD: The Aces High - Raiden I, II and DX

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 12:59 pm

When did this happen?

http://www.inhgroup.com/item/raiden03/

DVDs of Raiden, Raiden II and Raiden DX, plus a high quality version of the PSX Raiden DX New Release OST in one bundle.

Think I might have to get this...

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:47 pm

there was an old thread about it.. or maybe it was just mentioned in another INH thread.. whens the release anyways? 06-06-01 ??

cocoebiz does not have it in stock anyways..

elbarto · Post by **elbarto** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 4:52 pm

I've had my copy pre-ordered with cocoebiz for a while now, I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in another thread.

Looking forward to it, I'll probably get more use from this than the previous DVDs.

llaoyllakcuf · Post by **llaoyllakcuf** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 9:18 pm

earlier thread

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:02 pm

Ignoring my posts, huh? I'll remember that.

Post by **Icarus** » Mon Jun 05, 2006 10:12 pm

LOL! I remember that thread now.
Damn, I have a short memory then -_-;;

Limbrooke · Post by **Limbrooke** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:55 am

Well this is definitely good news. I just was looking for Raiden and Raiden 2 superplays/replays which super-play and the rest of the english net seem to be deprived of.

whitey · Post by **whitey** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 3:46 am

I believe Play-Asia has this in stock.

Shalashaska · Post by **Shalashaska** » Tue Jun 06, 2006 4:15 am

They do and for a fairly reasonable price too (well, compared to say the Mushi and Ketsui DVD's).

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-7x- ... -19kb.html

eastyy · Post by **eastyy** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:49 am

Do not really under stand why some of these appreciate dvds cost so much

Some even more then the actual games

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 10:54 am

emailed cocoebiz and got mine for $63 shipped.. pretty decent imo

BeauZilla 002 · Post by **BeauZilla 002** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:49 pm

eastyy wrote:Do not really under stand why some of these appreciate dvds cost so much

Some even more then the actual games

I totally agree.The ESPG 2 one looks cool tho.Must have great art and lots of extras to be worthy.Still seems they could be $30.

Post by **Icarus** » Thu Jun 08, 2006 9:57 pm

eastyy wrote:Do not really under stand why some of these appreciate dvds cost so much

Hmm, lets see:

- cost to manufacture 5+ assorted CDs/DVDs
- quality control
- paying the players to play
- getting license to distribute the music
- getting license to acquire and distribute official art
- paying composers to do exclusive remixes
- printing the artbooks
- packaging design
- advertising

Anything else?

I have no problem paying $60 for a DVD/CD set of high-grade material, including replays of good games, high quality music and exclusive remix tracks, booklets of information (in Japanese, granted), art I've never seen before, etc...

hikarutilmitt · Post by **hikarutilmitt** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:01 am

Not to mention Japanese DVDs are notoriously more expensive, anyway. So even a set like a DVD and a soundtrack CD would cost, together, $60 or more, depending on the length of each.

If there's any set that's a crazy value it's this one.

Axon · Post by **Axon** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 12:20 am

The dvd+cd offers(and game+cd offers) are pretty good for Japanese standards. Most DVDs from Japan cost about $50 on average and most CDs are $25 on average so the prices are good considering you get both for about $60 most of the time.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 5:47 am

sure they might be expensive but atleast i know the money is going pretty much straight to the developers, i love the dvds so far and i really like the direction its taking (more and more releases!) so i dont really mind paying up

eastyy · Post by **eastyy** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:28 pm

Suppose i could understand some of the cost but still

Psvariar 2 for the ps2/dodonpachi for the ps2 /espgaluda for the ps2 came with playthrough dvds for free

For a appreciate dvd $40 would be my limit

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Fri Jun 09, 2006 11:38 pm

I got my copy today. The replays are pretty interesting. For some reason on my dvd player, the raiden II replays and outtakes have no sound. The sound works fine on my computer though.

Shalashaska · Post by **Shalashaska** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 12:33 am

zlk wrote:The replays are pretty interesting.

Interesting enough to put the money down for? I just ordered the Ketsui and Mushi DVD's and pre-ordered the ESPGaluda II one so I'm a little low on funds currently. Just wondering if, in your opinion, this one is worth adding to the ever growing collection.

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 1:06 am

If you are a fan of raiden, raiden 2, or raiden dx, then this is a must buy. If you don't like the raiden series (the style of the game), then I can see how someone could pass this up.

I am not the biggest fan of the raiden series, but I am glad I bought the dvds/cds. The raiden dvd is facsinating, the player loses all his men as he leeches in a certain spot to get to 3m, then scores the next 7m on his last man. This takes nerves of steel because if he messes up once, he has to start over and scoring 10m in raiden takes a very long time. In the raiden 2 replay outtakes, they show what happens when you die in the 4th loop at a bad place. Basically you lose all your remaining lives very quickly. If you ever wanted to know how to score 10m on the three raiden games, here is your dvd.

Shalashaska · Post by **Shalashaska** » Sat Jun 10, 2006 2:34 am

Cool, thanks for the input. I'm not a huge Raiden fan though I do enjoy playing them every now and then. I'll probably order it next pay-day if for no other reason than to support the creation of these movies/games.

I had actually never played Raiden DX until last week. There weren't any big arcades where I grew up and the ones that were around had no shmups of any kind. The last place I ever expected to pump quarters into a shmup machine of any kind though was a Navy base but hey, they got something right for once!

elbarto · Post by **elbarto** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:38 pm

Just watched the DX Training replay, and have a couple of questions..

Do you get more points for destroying things with missiles as opposed to your main shot? There are times where the player is obviously trying to only hit enemies with missiles..

Any idea why they don't bother with the 1UP on Novice st3? Just curious.

Nice alternative strategy for the Novice st3 boss too

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 5:54 pm

i just got this as well and WOW, its really value for your money!!

in comparison i got the trizeal/xIIstag DVD as well and man that shit is boring as hell.. played the games.. boring.. watched the DVD.. boring.. OST.. boring..

i really wanted to like 'em too...

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:08 pm

elbarto wrote:Do you get more points for destroying things with missiles as opposed to your main shot? There are times where the player is obviously trying to only hit enemies with missiles..

Yes, you get a small amount of points for hitting stuff with your attacks. Spread and Homing Missiles are a usually desirable setup as they don't do as much damage from range, so big things take longer to die (meaning more tickle points).

elbarto wrote:Any idea why they don't bother with the 1UP on Novice st3? Just curious.

Because it's a pain in the ass to get. You don't get life stock bonuses on the final score tally, so that 1UP is a bit of a risk. I don't usually go for it myself.

elbarto wrote:Nice alternative strategy for the Novice st3 boss too

Is that the Laser and Homing Missiles method as shown in the preview clips off INH's site? It works as the Laser cuts through the small turrets on the first form really quickly - faster than my preferred method of Spread and Straight Missiles - but you need to be more careful in taking out the small turrets as you might force the boss into it's second form by accident.

sven666 wrote:in comparison i got the trizeal/xIIstag DVD as well and man that shit is boring as hell.. played the games.. boring.. watched the DVD.. boring.. OST.. boring.. i really wanted to like 'em too...

Is the Tri/XII DVD really that boring?
I haven't bought it yet, but might just out of completeness.

elbarto · Post by **elbarto** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:24 pm

Thanks for the clarifications.

Icarus wrote:Because it's a pain in the ass to get. You don't get life stock bonuses on the final score tally, so that 1UP is a bit of a risk. I don't usually go for it myself.

Ah, I thought it might be down to not getting a stock bonus, but couldn't be sure.

Icarus wrote:Is that the Laser and Homing Missiles method as shown in the preview clips off INH's site? It works as the Laser cuts through the small turrets on the first form really quickly - faster than my preferred method of Spread and Straight Missiles - but you need to be more careful in taking out the small turrets as you might force the boss into it's second form by accident.

No, the Laser/Homing method that you've mentioned before is from the Advanced Course replay. In this replay, the player uses Spread/Homing, but sits on the turret "cover" and takes it out immediately, before the boss even starts to move. Then they move up with the turret, just above where it fires from, hovering over it. Boss time of 4:45.

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:31 pm

elbarto wrote:No, the Laser/Homing method that you've mentioned before is from the Advanced Course replay. In this replay, the player uses Spread/Homing, but sits on the turret "cover" and takes it out immediately, before the boss even starts to move. Then they move up with the turret, just above where it fires from, hovering over it. Boss time of 4:45.

Interesting, I'll have to take a look at that. (Still waiting for my DVD ^_-)

I use Spread/Straight Missiles and take out all the small turrets first using the edge of the Spread, and wait until the boss gets to the end of the canal. Then I take out the turret cover, and pointblank the boss. My best time is 3:3x, but is a bit more risky.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 6:37 pm

I'd like the stage 1 and 4 New Release music

landshark · Post by **landshark** » Wed Jun 14, 2006 7:29 pm

I watched the Raiden run last night. And while it is a very impressive play. It does not have the "WOW!" factor I get when I watch a manic shmup superplay.

However, the set as a whole is definitely worth it for all the stuff you get. I just really REALLY wish I could read and understand japanese. I'd like to read the little book it came with. And I wish I knew what those messages said on the right side of the screen during the replays.

LSU · Post by **LSU** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:20 pm

Has anyone else noticed a slight stutter to the video every couple of seconds? It's almost like a frame gets dropped every now and then, at fairly regular intervals. If I weren't watching it on an NTSC set, I'd probably attriute it to a standards conversion issue.

It's very slight, but it's noticeable. Less so in general play, but most prominent on faster scrolling sections like when the ship initially takes off from the carrier/base and the background moves by at high speed. (Might sound picky I know, but a lot of us obviously spend a lot of time on getting the image quality just right for playing these games, so why not also expect the best when watching playthroughs? Of course, a tate DVD would have been even nicer...)

Other than that one small issue, I'd agree it's a fantastic set and in terms of the amount of content included, definitely good value for money.

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:43 pm

LSU wrote:Has anyone else noticed a slight stutter to the video every couple of seconds? It's almost like a frame gets dropped every now and then, at fairly regular intervals. If I weren't watching it on an NTSC set, I'd probably attriute it to a standards conversion issue.

I noticed the same thing. I also had a problem with some of the runs where the volume was extremely low. I am not sure why this happens.