What if 911 was a conspiracy?

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:35 am

sethsez wrote:The government is corrupt because it's full of people who want power and money, not some grand scheme to keep a royal white bloodline.

Nonsense! It can't be that human and simple!

It must be the work of...

MAO TSE TUNG'S EVIL SPIRIT!

wait no maybe it's adolf hitler's

wait shit it might be jack the ripper

fuck i dunno

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:39 am

Just combine all of them through a bunch of vague links.

Oh, and work some numerology into that shit to give the connections some weight.

chempop · Post by **chempop** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:41 am

Thanks sethsez, being a teacher may not pay the bills but I try my hardest to open people's eyes to the insane system that keeps people in the dark, such as you for example. I'm sorry to hear about your experience with that history teacher... but again, schools don't really have the money to hire qualified teachers most of the time (once I asked a question in Math, and the teacher didn't know the answer but his reply was "this is an advanced class, don't ask stupid questions").

Still, you have yet to back up anything, only ridiculing Alex Jones or myself in defense of this ideal world you think you live in. Do you have any connection to the NSA, government agencies, or military companies (say Raytheon)? Because I do, and the truth is often more disturbing than any story a "conspiracy theorist" can imagine or make up.

Yes, I know there is a ton of bullshit and lies on both sides of the fence. And yes I am aware that many people aren't going to believe what I'm saying no matter what happens.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:45 am

chempop wrote:Thanks sethsez, being a teacher may not pay the bills but I try my hardest to open people's eyes to the insane system that keeps people in the dark, such as you for example. I'm sorry to hear about your experience with that history teacher... but again, schools don't really have the money to hire qualified teachers most of the time (once I asked a question in Math, and the teacher didn't know the answer but his reply was "this is an advanced class, don't ask stupid questions").

Still, you have yet to back up anything, only ridiculing Alex Jones or myself in defense of this ideal world you think you live in. Do you have any connection to the NSA, government agencies, or military companies (say Raytheon)? Because I do, and the truth is often more disturbing than any story a "conspiracy theorist" can imagine or make up.

Yes, I know there is a ton of bullshit and lies on both sides of the fence. And yes I am aware that many people aren't going to believe what I'm saying no matter what happens.

the moon landing was faked

chempop · Post by **chempop** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:49 am

Well, something gives me the strange feeling (probably evil spirits) that the Skull+Bones, Bohemian Grove etc. aren't exactly what you'd call racially diverse.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:50 am

Defense of an ideal world? I, and everyone else here, is aware that there's a massive amount of corruption in government and the extent to which Bush has pushed things is way, way, way beyond what should be acceptable to anyone who cares about personal freedom. I think it's perfectly obvious that this war is occuring because Bush got a hair across his ass and knew he could profit from it anyway, and that countless people have died for him to secure a legacy.

That does not, however, mean that I'll accept theories founded on extremely shaky ground with nothing for support except tenuous links and a desire to blame absolutely everything that occurs on a malicious and hyper-efficient shadow government.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue May 30, 2006 6:51 am

chempop wrote:Well, something gives me the strange feeling (probably evil spirits) that the Skull+Bones, Bohemian Grove etc. aren't exactly what you'd call racially diverse.

most rich people are white and mostly rich people join these super secret clubs so

oh wait that's a logical answer you want the other one

so uh the kkk runs these things that's why they're mostly white

chempop · Post by **chempop** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:08 am

We're living in a technological wonderland of national defense and surveillance since long before 9/11. So you really think it was all orchestrated so perfectly by the terrorists that we just couldn't do anything about it. I find that to be horribly unrealistic. For christ's sake, my grandfather was the building inspector for one of the twin towers before the corrupt NYPD removed the inspection agency for reasons i don't even want to share with people because it is very painful for me to think about. Buildings do not fall like that from impact from 2/3 up, EVERYTHING POINTS TO INSIDE JOB.

Twiddle · Post by **Twiddle** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:09 am

i can't tell if you're being serious anymore

chempop · Post by **chempop** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:11 am

hahaha, why's that?

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:14 am

chempop wrote:So you really think it was all orchestrated so perfectly by the terrorists that we just couldn't do anything about it.

Hijackings are not the most difficult of things to do. We had a whole string of them in the 70s. They typically did not end with the planes being flown into buildings, so they were never dealt with with that sort of urgency.

D · Post by D » Tue May 30, 2006 7:27 am

Bush does have a motive, the gun manufacterers that sponsered his election campaign want something in return..................................

Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:29 am

chempop wrote:Buildings do not fall like that from impact from 2/3 up, EVERYTHING POINTS TO INSIDE JOB.

You're absolutely right. Could you please do us a favor and update the Wiki article on the subject?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collapse_o ... ade_Center

Coding for Wiki isn't too difficult -- just make a new subheading about how it's an inside job. Then just put in "My grandfather" for a new reference (you'll have to add him at number 37).

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:34 am

D wrote:Bush does have a motive, the gun manufacterers that sponsered his election campaign want something in return..................................

And they got a war in Iraq justified by phantom WMDs. Your point?

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:00 am

chempop wrote:
George Bush is totally like Hitler, you guys
It is true, he let many people in New Orleans drown because they were black. He also supports a legal system that keeps more black people in jail then in college. It might not be as obvious as death camps to an uneducated person, but some at least have figured out that Corporations and Corruption run the government. These people aren't actually real politicians, if they were they would give a fuck about the country and the people in it. But no, all they care about are profits and keeping the white bloodline in power. Yup, totally like Hilter.

You make it seem like all black folks were living glamorous life befor ethe Incident....Black folks were poor and miserable and homeless before that happened...I hate reading bullshit like this especially from people soooo far removed from the situation....You're not black you're not poor, so quit trying to sympathize.....If anything, people like you benefit from Bush being in office and his policies far more than Jackie Black and Joe Negro ever would so stop trying to play Bono.
If its anything keeping blacks in jails and out of college its blacks....This liberal claptrap pisses me off..and what pisses me off even more is how the liberal machine pushes this garbage of unaccountability onto the black community and we eat it up whole. I don't know how many blacks were looking to the Democratic party and John Kerry as their saviour. We were so blinded that our so called spiritual leaders were cosigning on garbage ideals(gay marriage, abortion). Newsflash negroes, Bush didn't make us poor and uneducated, WE DID....

Edited for clarity, I am black btw...

Michaelm · Post by **Michaelm** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:21 am

Never_Scurred wrote:Newsflash negroes, Bush didn't make us poor and uneducated, WE DID....

I'm sorry but I just can't believe that.
That is like saying all non white americans are as dumb as Bush is.

Sure there are some that truly are as dumb.
But there must be several who tried to get out of their sad situation only to find the government doesn't want them too.

The law isn't made by the people for the people.
The law is made by rich companies for the companies.
Now if you take globalisation into account you'll see who rules the world and it isn't the governments.

junkeR · Post by **junkeR** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:23 am

chempop wrote:chempop wrote:
Look at WWII and the nuking of Japan. At the time US citizens tought it was a response to Pearl Harbor. We all know now it was just to flex and show off to Germany, who the US was actually providing with goods during the war... or did you still think we did it to save the Jews?

WTF. Germany was in a thousand pieces and Hitler and already killed himself. We did it to save thousands of American lives. I mean honestly who the hell would care in Germany would care?

Benjamin · Post by **Benjamin** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:29 am

Never_Scurred wrote:You make it seem like all black folks were living glamorous life befor ethe Incident....Black folks were poor and miserable and homeless before that happened...

Yes, and too many people just don't understand that New Orleans is (well, was) 85% black, so of course the majority of people seen on Hurricane Katrina footage in central NO is going to be black. What this ignores is all the other people who got stranded behind in the hurricane's wake. People say Bush didn't help the people at the convention center because the crowd was mostly black? What about the thousands of white people stranded behind in St. Bernard Parish, who didn't get any government or military support for nearly a week after the hurricane? The people in Mississippi? New Orleans East? Lakeview? People suffered regardless of race, but in reality, the majority of people who were literally ignored by the government and stranded on rooftops for days were white. Of course, this doesn't make a good news story, so it gets replaced with a slanted, sensationalist cursory review of the events.

D · Post by D » Tue May 30, 2006 12:10 pm

sethsez wrote:
D wrote:Bush does have a motive, the gun manufacterers that sponsered his election campaign want something in return..................................
And they got a war in Iraq justified by phantom WMDs. Your point?

That's my point exactly, gun sales makes the people happy who sponsored his election campaigns.
I do not know what phantom WMDs means.
Ermmmm, I do not think it's a conspiracy.
But I think Bin Laden is only a diversion.
Sadam has alot of 'stunt doubles'.
In the end all wars are silly really.

sffan · Post by **sffan** » Tue May 30, 2006 1:06 pm

9/11 WAS A CONSPIRACY !!

19 guys from the mid-east had a secret plan to be trained in the U.S. on how to fly aircraft, and then to hijack passenger planes in a coordinated way and fly then into key U.S. buildings near-simultaneously.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:10 pm

Michaelm wrote:But there must be several who tried to get out of their sad situation only to find the government doesn't want them too.

Why "must" there be?

There's an extremely strong segment of black culture that idolizes and strives for ignorance. Trying to get an education is seen as "acting white" and there's a very strong amount of peer pressure here. It's a sad state of affairs.

As for the ones who do try to get out of their situation and can't? That's a class issue, not a race issue (and yes, there are gigantic class issues in this country). They're hardly the only race facing this, and trying to paint it as a racial divide is a nice way to rile everyone up while ignoring the real problem.

JBC · Post by **JBC** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:41 pm

I quit reading this thread about halfway through because i feel the need to point something out that no one seems to realize.

Bush is and idiot and is incapable of anything beyond a daily routine, which i'm absolutley sure he still has trouble with. He's just the face - that's all. That man doesn't know the world he's in half the time i'm sure.

Secondly, trying to point out exactly what it was that happened with 9/11 is pointless because everyone is going to have a different opinion. Everyone will argue with you. You either believe the lies or you don't - whatever makes you feel safer.

Third, i actually prefer chalupas to tacos. They have everything that tacos have but with a much tastier shell that won't jab your mouth if you chew it wrong. Tacos are still good though.

Michaelm · Post by **Michaelm** » Tue May 30, 2006 7:45 pm

sethsez wrote:
Michaelm wrote:But there must be several who tried to get out of their sad situation only to find the government doesn't want them too.
Why "must" there be?

Well replace must with "is a great possibility" and it should be more clear how I meant it.

sethsez wrote:As for the ones who do try to get out of their situation and can't? That's a class issue, not a race issue (and yes, there are gigantic class issues in this country). They're hardly the only race facing this, and trying to paint it as a racial divide is a nice way to rile everyone up while ignoring the real problem.

You're right about it being a class issue. My reply just read as a race issue because it was a reply I think.

sethsez · Post by **sethsez** » Tue May 30, 2006 8:22 pm

circuitface wrote:You either believe the lies or you don't

Depends on who you think is lying.

Well. Not lying. Horribly misguided and easily convinced is more like it.

Soulo · Post by **Soulo** » Tue May 30, 2006 9:47 pm

I haven't watched this video, but to me it's clear that the American government is actively creating terrorism, just look at the mess in Afghanistan and Iraq. Invading countries, bombing cities, making thousands of civilian casualties & treating the local people like shit is the perfect way to make a terrorist breeding ground. Setting up a puppet government that is pro-America has nothing to do with bringing freedom or democracy either (this is quite ironic too since America itself is not far from becoming a dictatorship). Besides, the American government has supported Saddam and the Taliban in the past, just like they have supported militant groups in other countries for their own trading benefits. So taking this in account I wouldn't be surprised 9-11 was part of the plan, it served as the perfect "green signal" to start the unjust invasion to expand their power & control and get the vast majority of the population to support these wars. Fear has been continuously projected on to the masses and there is a group of high positioned people benefiting from it. The more people that become affraid of the "evil Muslim", the more people will blindly support their governments unjust causes masked by "freedom and democracy" and keeping them in power. It also serves as a very good distraction of the situation in their own country, where poverty is increasing and morals & standards are decreasing. So obviously they do not care about the people, the people are only good to keep the machine running and serve as cannon fodder (so why would they care so much about a few thousand of working ant casualties in the twin towers?). So as I see it, 9-11 was a great tool in this fear campaign.
This tactic has been used by powermongers throughout history, I don't see why it would hold today's powermongers back of using the same tactic.

Koa Zo · Post by **Koa Zo** » Tue May 30, 2006 11:24 pm

People seem to enjoy debating whether our own government was involved in the Sept 11th attacks ("The Tragedies of Sept 11th" - remember when we weren't supposed to refer to the hijackings as attacks?..), nobody ever seems to discuss why we were attacked.

I raised the question pretty frequently in the days and weeks after the attacks (and I'd refer to them as attacks - which often confused folks -"The Events of 9-11"), in all that time less than a handful of my peers could even begin to try to answer the question.
I remember lividly, that on the GameGo (or TNL) forum I was threatened to be kicked out because "this was no time to be asking questions - people know were in those buildings" - so one of the GameGo founders told me.
All discussion was conveniently precluded by the "You're either with us or against us" threat, or Bush's proclamation that we were attacked because "We are the brightest beacon for freedom and prosperity in the world". So even at this point nearly 5 years after the "War on Freedom" began, the populous at large still has no idea who our enemy is or why we are fighting.

WMDs?, Freedom?, Oil?, Taliban?, AlQueda, Sadam, Threats to Liberty, Axis of Evil, Islamic Fundamentalists, Freedom Haters, Palestinian Suppressers, Abortion Providers, Gay Married Couples, Kevorkian, Cloned Sheep, Mad Cow, West Nile, Hunta Virus, SARs, Y2K, Katrina (oh, wait, where was I?, let me turn the television off, I can’t concentrate)

God damn, bringing this to the forefront of my mind really pisses me off.
Fucking ignorant self absorbed society I live and take part in.
Is there any answer?
And even if there were, what are we going to do about it?!

The n00b · Post by **The n00b** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:34 am

Good to see that this thread is still a joke. I think the reason some people are so wrapped up in the whole 9/11 conspiracy is that they just can't wrap their minds around such a tragedy so it makes sense to go stupid theories. It's like the holocaust that way. If you explain it right, you might be able to blame America or "the jews" for it all. Of course if you did that, you'd be no better than those idiots using 9/11 to justify all sorts of dumb crap like the iraqi war.

9/11: it happened, it's sad, now get the fuck over and get on with your lives.

Dale · Post by **Dale** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:40 am

Here's my conclusion

Not all the stories about the goverment having conspiracy's, killing people who know to much, corrupting the system may be true but some are. I know for a fact a few hookers have been killed. So just be wary don't believe everything you here. (from ether side) Just know that the goverment is capable of mean shit so watch out for yourself.

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:46 am

Neon wrote:George Bush is totally like Hitler, you guys

No. He's more like Mussolini.

Ok, ok. Not to get the hatred from my fellow shmuppers. I just don't like him and his way of doing things.

Them Al-Qaeda shitwads just wanted to show off to the world their terrorist penis. Did something no one else had done. I mean, Hezbollah, Hamas and others blowing up embassies and hijacking news reporters.. small stuff. They planned to strike three important parts of the USA, in hopes it would crumble demoralized. Didn't. They failed to ignite a holy war (HA HA.) of all the radical muslims VS the Devil USA. I just hope they get them bastards soon.

I find it easier to believe in the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and that the paycheck is in the mail, than all of this being an inside job. Cracks in the system? Yes. But unless it was the damn Patriots themselves, I don't think this was planned from the inside. Too damn hollow for it to develop into what it is now.

As of how the "war on terror" has been handled (or mis-handled) that's another story. A disappointing one.

Sorry if I sound rambling. I'm sleepy as I post this.

Never_Scurred · Post by **Never_Scurred** » Wed May 31, 2006 12:50 am

The n00b wrote:Good to see that this thread is still a joke. I think the reason some people are so wrapped up in the whole 9/11 conspiracy is that they just can't wrap their minds around such a tragedy so it makes sense to go stupid theories. It's like the holocaust that way. If you explain it right, you might be able to blame America or "the jews" for it all. Of course if you did that, you'd be no better than those idiots using 9/11 to justify all sorts of dumb crap like the iraqi war.

9/11: it happened, it's sad, now get the fuck over and get on with your lives.

Thank You. Quoted for truth...
Thats what happens when kids get their politics from pop culture...Everyone wants to bitch about how America is so jacked and Bush is the devil while on their $2000 laptops while in a coffeeshop drinking a $3.00 latte in their American Eagle and Old Navy while mom and dad pay for their college tuition. Unless you're poor, a soldier in the armed forces, or a political prisoner, you have no reason to complain.