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 Post subject: 4th Annual Top 25 Shumps of All Time! - Results
PostPosted: Fri Apr 28, 2006 12:02 am 


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Top 25 Shmups of All Time (through 2005)

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Game                                                        Score    2004  2003  "2002"
[01] Dodonpachi (ARC/PS/SAT)                                6.69     .     .     .
[02] Gradius V (PS2)                                        6.60     +     *     *
[03] Ikaruga (ARC/DC/GC)                                    6.37     -     -     .
[04] Radiant Silvergun (ARC/SAT)                            5.82     .     +     +
[05] Mars Matrix (ARC/DC)                                   5.24     +     +     +
[06] Battle Garegga (ARC/SAT)                               4.83     *     -     +
[07] R-Type (ARC/PS/PCE/etc.)                               4.43     +     .     +
[08] Shikigami no Shiro 2 (ARC/DC/PS2/GC)                   4.38     +     *     *
[09] Thunderforce III (GEN/SAT)                             4.37     -     -     -
[10] ESPGaluda (ARC/PS2)                                    4.33     +     *     *
[11] Giga Wing (ARC/DC)                                     4.29     +     +     *
[12] Border Down (ARC/DC)                                   3.99     *     *     *
[13] Dodonpachi Daioujou (ARC/PS2)                          3.97     .     +     *
[14] Gradius Gaiden (PS)                                    3.91     -     +     +
[15] Guwange (ARC)                                          3.69     *     -     -
[16] Strikers 1945 II (ARC/PS/SAT/PS2)                      3.63     -     -     -
[17] Soukyugurentai (ARC/SAT/PS)                            3.56     -     -     +
[18] R-Type Delta (PS)                                      3.5457   +     *     *
[19] Mushihimesama (ARC/PS2)                                3.5453   *     *     *
[20] Gunbird 2 (ARC/DC/PS2)                                 3.5445   -     -     +
[21] Rayforce / Layer Section (et al) (ARC/SAT)             3.51     -     -     *
[22] Einhänder (PS)                                         3.37     +     *     *
[23] Raiden DX (ARC/PS)                                     3.23     -     *     *
[24] Thunderforce IV / Lightening Force (GEN/SAT)           3.16     -     +     -
[25] ESPRade (ARC)                                          3.06     -     -     -


  • . denotes the game holds the same position now as the year indicated.
  • + denotes the game holds an improved standing compared to the year indicated.
  • - denotes the game holds a reduced standing compared to the year indicated.
  • * denotes the game was not on the list for the year indicated.

Honorable Mention
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Game                                                                       2004    2003
Armed Police Batrider (ARC)                                                -       .
Axelay (SNES)                                                              .       -
Batsugun / Batsugun Special Version (ARC/SAT)                              -       -
Battle Bakraid (ARC)                                                       .       .
Blazing Lazers / Gunhed (PCE)                                              .       .
Blazing Star (ARC/NG)                                                      .       +
Dangun Feveron (ARC)                                                       .       .
Darius Gaiden (ARC/SAT/PS2)                                                .       +
Dimahoo / Great Mahou Daisakusen (ARC)                                     .       .
Donpachi (ARC/PS/SAT)                                                      -       -
Dragon Blaze (ARC/PS2)                                                     .       +
G.Darius (ARC/PS/PS2)                                                      .       .
Gaiares (GEN)                                                              .       .
Galaga (ARC/just about everything)                                         .       +
Gate of Thunder (PCE-CD)                                                   .       .
Giga Wing 2 (ARC/DC)                                                       .       .
Gradius II (ARC/SAT/PS/PCE-CD/NES)                                         .       .
Ibara (ARC/PS2)                                                            +       +
Lords of Thunder / Winds of Thunder (PCE/PCE-CD/SCD)                       .       .
Musha Aleste / M.U.S.H.A. (GEN)                                            .       -
Progear no Arashi (ARC)                                                    +       +
R-Type Final (PS2)                                                         +       +
Raiden (ARC/PS/etc.)                                                       +       .
Raiden II (ARC/PS)                                                         .       .
Salamander (FC) / Life Force (NES)                                         .       -[1]
Soldier Blade (PCE)                                                        .       .
Strikers 1945 (ARC/PS/SAT)                                                 .       .
Super Aleste / Space Megaforce (SNES)                                      .       .
Thunderforce V (SAT/PS)                                                    -       .
Zanac Neo (PS)                                                             .       -
Zero Gunner 2 (ARC/DC)                                                     .       -

  1. "Salamander" made the top 25 in 2003, but no distinction was made between the 14,000 versions in that year's poll.
  • . denotes the game was also on the HM list for the year indicated.
  • + denotes the game was on neither the HM list nor the top 25 for the year indicated.
  • - denotes the game was in the top 25 for the year indicated.

What Dropped from 2004's Top 25:
  • Armed Police Batrider
  • Batsugun / Batsugun Special Edition
  • Donpachi
  • Thunderforce V

What Dropped from 2004's Honorable Mentions:
  • 19XX: The War Against Destiny
  • Cyvern
  • Gradius / Nemesis
  • Gradius III (SNES)
  • Imperishable Night
  • Ketsui
  • Parsec47
  • Raiden Fighters Jet
  • Recca
  • Salamander (ARC)
  • Sexy Parodius
  • UN Squadron (SNES) / Area 88 (SFC)
  • Zanac (NES) / Zanac EX (MSX)

Breakdown by Developer
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                        Top 25         Hon.M.          Overall
Cave                    6              4               10
Raizing                 2              3               5
Psikyo                  2              3               5
Konami                  1              3               4
Compile                 0              4               4
Treasure                3              0               3
Irem                    2              1               3
Takumi                  2              1               3
Tecnosoft               2              1               3
Seibu Kaihatsu          1              2               3
Taito                   1              2               3
Red                     0              2               2
Alfa System             1              0               1
G.Rev                   1              0               1
Square                  1              0               1
Hudson                  0              1               1
Namco                   0              1               1
Renovation              0              1               1
SNK                     0              1               1
Toaplan                 0              1               1


Breakdown by Original Platform
Code:
System                  Top 25         Hon.M.          Overall
Arcade                  19             19              37
PlayStation             3               1              4
Genesis / Megadrive     2               2              4 
PC Engine (and CD)      0               4              4
PlayStation 2           1               1              2
Super Nintendo          0               2              2
NES                     0               1              1
Saturn                  0               1              1


Miscellaneous Stats:
  • Number of Actual Voters: 106 (almost double last year's)
  • Scaled Number of Voters: 81.84
  • Number of Games Voted For: 336
  • Games Supported by at least half of voters: 3
  • Games Supported by at least 1/4 of voters: 27
  • Number of Honorable Mentions: 31
  • Top 25 Score Spread: 3.063 - 6.691
  • Honorable Mention Score Spread: 1.566 - 2.989
  • Total Score Spread: 0.019 - 6.691

Some Random Comments:
  • By request, I've noted which systems the game were released for in this year's lists. (Or at least a sampling thereof, in cases where the game got ported darn near everywhere.)
  • Like last year, Ikaruga actually got the highest number of votes; DDP and Gradius V picked up enough voter importance points to top it.
  • Battle Garegga and Guwange return to the top 25 this year, after spending a year in the HM list.
  • Tube shooters were allowed this year, but made little impact. The highest ranked was Tempest 2000, which came in at 88th place.
  • Parodius Da! was this year's favorite Parodius title, just barely missing the Honorable Mention. (Last year's favourite was Sexy, which was this year's least favorite.)
  • The discussion thread for this year's poll is here.
  • This year's voting thread is here.


EDIT (30/04/06): A couple of games got listed twice by mistake, bringing down the total number of games to 336.
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Wow, thanks for the hard work, Zach! Very solid list, really. Though I hate to see Gunbird 2 and Raiden dx so low down. :?


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I want Battle Garegga to be Number 1 god damn it! :x :x :? :lol: :lol:
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Wow, looks like the Garegga and Border Down fans, in particular, came out in force after seeing those games not on the list last year...or else Rando's been stuffing the ballot box. ;) Then again, Guwange made it back too, so all those Untold Legions of Evil Unthinking Rabid Intolerant Cave Fanboys have apparently unleashed their unbridled fury as well. :P

In my case, around half the games I voted for made it into the top 25, and a handful of others are in the honorable mentions, so I'm not complaining. The things I'm most disappointed in are the drop of Imperishable Night and the remaining non-presence of Perfect Cherry Blossom...I've also been pulling for the Vasaras and Cotton Boomerang, but I'm not expecting much from those efforts, heh heh. I'll have to see to it that the ZUN fans make themselves known next year...

As was already said, thanks for the efforts, Zack! Till next year! :)
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It would be cool to see the WHOLE score list ...
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Great work Zach. :D

I was hoping at least Zanac or Salamander (msx) made it. Oh well always next year.


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Yeah, Border Down really made a showing. Interesting to compare which games get a lot of attention in the highscore/strategy sections and which games do well on the chart.

I wonder if this'll push resale prices in any particular direction :P
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Heh, Ketsui didn't even make it in HM? Too few people have played it, I'm guessing, esp. considering how well Cave did otherwise, as usual. And really nice of you to put the time into compiling this list, Zach.


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I'm happy to see that Guwange made the top 25. Several sites, like KLOV, has put it in the same scrolling fighter/run-n-gun class as Metal Slug. (link) And I was kind of afraid that it would slip into the dreaded border line limbo here too.


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professor ganson wrote:
Wow, thanks for the hard work, Zach! Very solid list, really. Though I hate to see Gunbird 2 and Raiden dx so low down. :?

What he says. Too much Treasure too high up for my own taste, but otherwise I'm really happy with the list. Thanks for the effort.


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"Scaled Number of Voters: 81.84 " - what does that mean, Zach?
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Great work Zach. :D

I was hoping at least Zanac or Salamander (msx) made it. Oh well always next year.


I think the only MSX game that has a chance is Space Manbow.

But I doubt it will ever make it to the list :)
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Well, I guess my taste is generic enough; half my list made it. BUT - not even an honorable mention for Nexzr?!!!

I second Shatterhand's request for a full list. Good job, Zach!


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Thanks for the hard work Zach!

Well, I forgot to submit my Top 25 :cry: but i can agree that all shooters in the top 25 except Mushihimesama deserve to be there, so I guess I'm not to worried, even though my personal list would have looked a bit diferent. :)

All in all a very well balanced list, I think.


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@Turrican: Thanks for posting that statistic. I could go on for hours just looking at it, find it so fascinating. Watching every game´s development, coming in and out of fashion, and then relating this to the way the game has been talked about here at that time, which in some ways goes a similar way the genre itself has developed, but in some cases shows notable differences, triggered either by talking about a certain game a lot or by not talking about it.
I haven´t compared this chart to my own votes over the years, but I have noticed I can agree more with the results as time passes. Reasons why certain games get voted make more sense to me now. For example, last year I´d have bitched about Shikigami 2 ranking so high, while now I can see which qualities got it there, and don´t dispute it´s earned that place somehow, even though I personally don´t like it any better.
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have to agree on that one, though. I´d almost take any bet the game will be gone from next year´s top 25.


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Just noticed that Hyper Duel is on neither list. That's a shame!


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Definitely a bit surprising to see Mushihimesama make the list. I like the game, but considering Cave's representation on the list, I wouldn't think a fairly average effort from them would make it. I suppose it's the newness factor, combined with the fact that probably many people here have played it and not Ibara (which is far superior, IMO).

Also a bit surprised to see SnS2 up there, but I suppose that's just personal bias -- I don't really care for the game, as I feel the Touhou games have more refined versions of similar gameplay mechanics, but I guess it gets a lot of love in general.
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Well , it seems like there's no more love for Toaplan....

I still find curious how Soldier Blade scored so highly in the 1st poll, then it never showed in the top 25 again.

No MH for Apidya or Space Manbow... heh :D

And big shame Armed Police Batrider dropped from the list....

Mars Matrix is the best shmup outside Cave/Treasure realm ...

Cave (unsurprisingly) puts its mark as the most importante shmup developer, and Treasure has, IMO, an impressive performance scoring 3 of the top 4 spots.
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As requested (look where one person throwing nearly the entire weight of their vote behind the original MSX Zanac got it.):

Code:
Game                                                   Total    Sc Votes   Import

Top 25:
Dodonpachi                                          :  6.690780 41.214400  2.269528
Gradius V                                           :  6.596346 41.913600  2.166451
Ikaruga                                             :  6.373079 42.166400  2.000416
Radiant Silvergun                                   :  5.822652 34.868800  2.030413
Mars Matrix                                         :  5.241406 36.112000  1.565713
Battle Garegga                                      :  4.830168 32.619200  1.479446
R-Type                                              :  4.432697 29.776000  1.366521
Shikigami no Shiro 2 / Castle Shikigami 2           :  4.379499 30.547200  1.287526
Thunderforce III                                    :  4.369888 27.651200  1.441609
ESPGaluda                                           :  4.331703 24.822400  1.572509
Giga Wing                                           :  4.291437 29.619200  1.279040
Border Down                                         :  3.985639 27.153600  1.207589
Dodonpachi Daioujou                                 :  3.965313 25.540800  1.283203
Gradius Gaiden                                      :  3.908177 24.451200  1.304736
Guwange                                             :  3.692844 24.116800  1.176672
Strikers 1945 II                                    :  3.630842 28.321600  0.901239
Soukyugurentai                                      :  3.560094 23.700800  1.109362
R-Type Delta                                        :  3.545732 24.660800  1.046337
Mushihimesama                                       :  3.545335 22.536000  1.163918
Gunbird 2                                           :  3.544523 22.579200  1.160969
Rayforce / Layer Section / Galactic Attack / Gunlock:  3.510093 25.548800  0.972819
Einhänder                                           :  3.369491 24.142400  0.955095
Raiden DX                                           :  3.232808 18.804800  1.158081
Thunderforce IV / Lightening Force                  :  3.155699 21.777600  0.940695
ESPRade                                             :  3.063102 21.011200  0.920158

Honorable Mention:
Batsugun / Batsugun Special Version                 :  2.989490 21.601600  0.837292
Armed Police Batrider                               :  2.848511 17.353600  0.976920
Zanac Neo                                           :  2.790726 20.689600  0.752546
Donpachi                                            :  2.674381 20.798400  0.667297
Musha Aleste / M.U.S.H.A.                           :  2.601912 19.056000  0.714598
Progear no Arashi                                   :  2.496642 17.038400  0.754829
Dragon Blaze                                        :  2.438482 15.761600  0.786048
Axelay                                              :  2.377534 19.150400  0.556592
Thunderforce V                                      :  2.345025 14.875200  0.771581
Blazing Star                                        :  2.331442 17.924800  0.593188
Giga Wing 2                                         :  2.255896 14.675200  0.721990
G.Darius                                            :  2.201760 15.952000  0.614313
Dangun Feveron                                      :  2.167105 16.256000  0.573857
Gradius II: Gofer no Yabou / Vulcan Venture         :  2.151874 15.673600  0.595789
Gate of Thunder                                     :  2.117196 12.940800  0.723752
Battle Bakraid                                      :  2.113686 14.627200  0.627827
Strikers 1945                                       :  2.089390 15.208000  0.579071
Super Aleste / Space Megaforce                      :  2.061936 14.878400  0.578660
Lords of Thunder / Winds of Thunder                 :  2.031882 14.940800  0.554737
Darius Gaiden                                       :  2.004208 15.772800  0.489748
Soldier Blade                                       :  1.974212 15.235200  0.499143
Ibara                                               :  1.945929 11.531200  0.685327
Galaga                                              :  1.890081 12.382400  0.600091
R-Type Final                                        :  1.881816 13.264000  0.545566
Raiden II                                           :  1.861783 15.454400  0.410437
Zero Gunner 2                                       :  1.823884 13.780800  0.477458
Gaiares                                             :  1.699877  9.574400  0.626334
Dimahoo / Great Mahou Daisakusen                    :  1.696466 13.360000  0.414044
Blazing Lazers / Gunhed                             :  1.659433 12.158400  0.455477
Raiden                                              :  1.635097 13.044800  0.389743
Salamander (FC) / Life Force (NES)                  :  1.566248 12.196800  0.389901

The Rest:
Parodius Da!                                        :  1.503187 11.249600  0.399502
Ketsui                                              :  1.476460  8.612800  0.527553
Apidya                                              :  1.459667 10.384000  0.417881
R-Type III: The Third Lightning                     :  1.329103  9.283200  0.390041
Gradius / Nemesis                                   :  1.328651 10.156800  0.341279
Pulstar                                             :  1.324340 10.160000  0.338167
Zanac (MSX1)                                        :  1.320901  1.000000  0.843882
Imperishable Night                                  :  1.318036  8.657600  0.417205
Trizeal                                             :  1.291478 10.640000  0.289169
19XX: The War Against Destiny                       :  1.241219  9.908800  0.295505
Zanac (NES) / Zanac EX                              :  1.234857 10.920000  0.235088
Twin Cobra / Kyukyoku Tiger                         :  1.223055  9.921600  0.282428
Last Resort                                         :  1.194330  7.764800  0.382497
Twinkle Star Sprites                                :  1.194329  8.940800  0.317270
Galaga '88                                          :  1.182489  8.624000  0.326780
Raiden Fighters Jet                                 :  1.143131  7.089600  0.385088
RayStorm                                            :  1.134422  8.384000  0.307364
Sengoku Blade / Tengai                              :  1.112456  8.921600  0.262591
Recca                                               :  1.109119  6.998400  0.366988
Psyvariar 2                                         :  1.101913  8.280000  0.290999
Harmful Park                                        :  1.081768  7.235200  0.335232
XII STAG                                            :  1.073851  1.000000  0.675676
Hyper Duel                                          :  1.062622  6.000000  0.390707
Raiden Fighters 2                                   :  1.053198  8.115200  0.266971
Salamander 2                                        :  0.959252  7.160000  0.255987
Strikers 1945 III / Strikers 1999                   :  0.951911  6.769600  0.272643
Vasara                                              :  0.910151  6.921600  0.235780
Jikkyou Oshaberi Parodius                           :  0.908015  6.875200  0.236898
Gunbird                                             :  0.903550  6.904000  0.232261
Omega Fighter Special                               :  0.900974  1.000000  0.557971
UN Squadron (SNES)                                  :  0.897181  6.017600  0.277089
Sky Shark / Flying Shark                            :  0.843434  6.627200  0.206683
Tempest 2000                                        :  0.807230  4.499200  0.300062
Cyvern                                              :  0.805823  6.462400  0.190216
Vasara 2                                            :  0.797698  6.000000  0.210331
Dragon Breed                                        :  0.796635  6.024000  0.208276
Viper Phase 1                                       :  0.777972  6.000000  0.196900
Gokujyo Parodius                                    :  0.768296  5.921600  0.194661
Perfect Cherry Blossom                              :  0.758273  4.422400  0.270989
Battle Squadron                                     :  0.749162  5.460800  0.207191
Super Star Soldier                                  :  0.743767  6.360000  0.153644
Stargate / Defender 2                               :  0.741791  1.921600  0.398473
Pop 'n Twinbee                                      :  0.733559  5.280000  0.206596
Cho Ren Sha 68K                                     :  0.704489  5.808000  0.157518
Power Strike II (SMS)                               :  0.701681  5.424000  0.176905
Tempest                                             :  0.696231  3.577600  0.275604
Nexzr                                               :  0.675329  5.000000  0.182480
Sexy Parodius                                       :  0.673321  5.313600  0.163719
Biohazard Battle                                    :  0.670668  4.696000  0.196167
Gradius III AC                                      :  0.664953  4.764800  0.188460
Fire Shark / Same! Same! Same!                      :  0.659694  5.414400  0.148850
Choujikuu Yousai Macross: Scrambled Valkyrie        :  0.652709  5.846400  0.120133
Aleste 2                                            :  0.649441  4.846400  0.173373
Gynoug / Wings of Wor                               :  0.641214  5.000000  0.159252
Space Manbow                                        :  0.635956  4.160000  0.202262
Aleste / Power Strike                               :  0.633452  4.921600  0.158316
Viewpoint                                           :  0.630719  5.019200  0.151042
R-Type Leo                                          :  0.628551  5.000000  0.150631
Vulgus                                              :  0.615484  3.774400  0.209712
Gradius 2 MSX / Nemesis '90 Kai                     :  0.608876  3.081600  0.243638
Hellfire                                            :  0.606887  4.800000  0.146974
Raiden Fighters                                     :  0.604133  5.000000  0.134005
Eliminate Down                                      :  0.580790  4.000000  0.173577
Gradius III SNES                                    :  0.578792  4.499200  0.144528
R-Type II                                           :  0.549633  4.000000  0.152364
Truxton / Tatsujin                                  :  0.549620  5.000000  0.096890
Warning Forever                                     :  0.546794  4.696000  0.111827
UN Squadron (ARC)                                   :  0.542892  4.921600  0.096657
Metal Black                                         :  0.541344  4.000000  0.146720
Gleylancer                                          :  0.539985  4.705600  0.106658
Forgotten Worlds                                    :  0.530440  3.982400  0.140272
Spriggan                                            :  0.528346  4.000000  0.137870
Salamander (MSX)                                    :  0.522590  2.768000  0.202284
Under Defeat                                        :  0.517285  3.160000  0.176930
Gyruss                                              :  0.514907  4.000000  0.128720
Xenon 2                                             :  0.509387  3.696000  0.141823
RayCrisis                                           :  0.504489  3.921600  0.125975
Elemental Master                                    :  0.497005  4.000000  0.116531
Robo Aleste                                         :  0.493370  3.705600  0.130385
Sonic Wings Special                                 :  0.492801  4.000000  0.113669
Gekirindan                                          :  0.488661  4.000000  0.110850
Image Fight                                         :  0.481850  3.921600  0.110561
Xevious                                             :  0.476711  3.640000  0.122681
Psyvariar / Psyvariar Revision                      :  0.441451  2.774400  0.146684
Radilgy                                             :  0.430928  3.000000  0.127006
Terra Cresta                                        :  0.424266  4.000000  0.067006
Phoenix                                             :  0.417721  2.921600  0.122363
Raiden III                                          :  0.415469  3.129600  0.109293
Crisis Force                                        :  0.413850  3.081600  0.110853
Parsec47                                            :  0.413255  2.500800  0.142662
Darius II / Sagaia                                  :  0.407647  2.640000  0.131123
Shienryu                                            :  0.379466  2.921600  0.096317
Aero Fighters II                                    :  0.379189  3.000000  0.091780
Gun.Smoke                                           :  0.379152  2.921600  0.096103
Aldynes                                             :  0.378786  3.000000  0.091506
Gradius IV                                          :  0.377514  2.921600  0.094988
In the Hunt                                         :  0.375001  2.081600  0.139867
Gradius Galaxies/Generation/Advance                 :  0.368407  2.486400  0.112926
1944 - The Loop Master                              :  0.368144  3.280000  0.068729
Salamander (ARC) / Salamander (PCE)                 :  0.364050  2.360000  0.116970
1942                                                :  0.363295  2.721600  0.096400
Truxton 2 / Tatsujin Ou                             :  0.350417  3.000000  0.072190
Tyrian                                              :  0.332420  2.577600  0.083365
Blood Money                                         :  0.327109  3.000000  0.056321
Thunderforce II                                     :  0.325074  2.000000  0.110400
Cotton Boomerang                                    :  0.324670  2.000000  0.110125
Phelios                                             :  0.321859  2.204800  0.096852
Star Soldier (PS2/GC/PSP)                           :  0.318711  2.846400  0.059122
Thunder Cross 2                                     :  0.310854  1.921600  0.105067
rRootage                                            :  0.308256  2.230400  0.086170
Carrier Air Wing                                    :  0.304157  2.921600  0.045042
Judgement Silversword                               :  0.303343  1.846400  0.104124
Tumiki Fighters                                     :  0.291633  2.000000  0.087632
Mahou Daisakusen / Sorcer Striker                   :  0.290308  2.000000  0.086729
Final Soldier                                       :  0.289155  2.000000  0.085944
Side Arms                                           :  0.285931  2.000000  0.083749
Strikers 1945 Plus                                  :  0.284996  2.000000  0.083113
Override                                            :  0.275957  2.000000  0.076958
Demon Attack                                        :  0.275791  1.627200  0.097522
IO                                                  :  0.272640  2.313600  0.057306
Darius / Darius Plus                                :  0.267019  1.640000  0.090840
Blast Wind                                          :  0.266536  2.000000  0.070544
Project X                                           :  0.266193  1.921600  0.074659
Thunder Cross                                       :  0.265521  2.160000  0.060978
Galaxian                                            :  0.264095  1.774400  0.081395
Battle Mania / Trouble Shooter                      :  0.263444  2.160000  0.059565
Sengoku Ace                                         :  0.260982  2.000000  0.066762
Uridium                                             :  0.259811  2.000000  0.065965
Zero Wing                                           :  0.254739  2.000000  0.062512
Embodiment of Scarlet Devil                         :  0.253954  2.000000  0.061977
Beamrider                                           :  0.252931  2.000000  0.061281
Xevious Arrangement                                 :  0.250094  1.921600  0.063697
Daioh                                               :  0.246104  1.921600  0.060981
Giga Wing Generations                               :  0.245520  2.000000  0.056235
X-Out                                               :  0.245287  1.921600  0.060425
Grid Seeker                                         :  0.244385  2.000000  0.055462
Twin Hawk / Daisenpuu                               :  0.243326  2.000000  0.054741
The Guardian Legend                                 :  0.241714  1.577600  0.077072
Space Invaders                                      :  0.240723  1.000000  0.108434
Bike Banditz                                        :  0.238917  2.000000  0.051740
Rally Raid                                          :  0.235501  1.921600  0.053762
Space Invaders '95                                  :  0.233454  1.705600  0.064348
Agony                                               :  0.231773  1.921600  0.051223
Noiz2sa                                             :  0.231184  1.774400  0.058987
Star Force                                          :  0.230079  2.000000  0.045722
Air Zonk                                            :  0.227583  2.000000  0.044022
Shikigami no Shiro                                  :  0.226934  2.000000  0.043580
Twinbee: Yahhoo!!                                   :  0.226352  1.640000  0.063152
Uridium II                                          :  0.220195  2.000000  0.038992
Arrow Flash                                         :  0.218076  1.774400  0.050063
1943 (NES)                                          :  0.215095  1.499200  0.063297
Chariot                                             :  0.214332  2.000000  0.035000
Super Laydock                                       :  0.213513  1.846400  0.042962
Super R-Type                                        :  0.213309  1.921600  0.038652
Star Parodia                                        :  0.212126  1.283200  0.073255
Hype                                                :  0.211697  2.000000  0.033206
Gunnac                                              :  0.207978  2.000000  0.030674
SWIV                                                :  0.207451  1.921600  0.034664
Chaos Field                                         :  0.206870  1.846400  0.038439
Kamui                                               :  0.202876  1.774400  0.039713
Sol Feace                                           :  0.198749  2.000000  0.024390
Dragon Spirit                                       :  0.196605  1.640000  0.042898
Air Buster / Aeroblasters                           :  0.192884  1.640000  0.040364
Hybris                                              :  0.190503  1.846400  0.027295
Disposable Hero                                     :  0.185404  1.000000  0.070769
X-Multiply                                          :  0.178664  1.462400  0.040533
Armalyte (C64)                                      :  0.173901  1.000000  0.062937
Section Z (AC)                                      :  0.171976  1.313600  0.044233
1941                                                :  0.171909  1.160000  0.052707
Leathal Xcess                                       :  0.171431  1.000000  0.061256
Silpheed                                            :  0.169155  1.577600  0.027669
Philosoma                                           :  0.168705  1.921600  0.008283
Kyukyoku Tiger II                                   :  0.166991  1.640000  0.022735
1943                                                :  0.164846  1.270400  0.041775
La Soeur de Barrage                                 :  0.164324  0.921600  0.060765
Airrade Air                                         :  0.158456  1.235200  0.039376
Thunder Force AC                                    :  0.154900  1.000000  0.050000
Mr. Heli no Daibouken                               :  0.154534  1.000000  0.049751
Centipede                                           :  0.153274  1.577600  0.016857
Tempest X?                                          :  0.152075  1.000000  0.048077
Alpha Mission II                                    :  0.150522  0.921600  0.051368
Battle Mania 2                                      :  0.149462  1.160000  0.037423
Game Tengoku                                        :  0.149251  1.000000  0.046154
Zed Blade                                           :  0.147793  1.000000  0.045161
Z-Out                                               :  0.147227  1.000000  0.044776
Ordyne AC                                           :  0.146260  1.000000  0.044118
Raptor: Call of the Shadows                         :  0.146187  1.000000  0.044068
Sylphia PCE                                         :  0.142298  1.000000  0.041420
River Raid                                          :  0.141208  1.000000  0.040678
Time Pilot                                          :  0.140212  1.000000  0.040000
Xexex (Japan)                                       :  0.140212  1.000000  0.040000
V V                                                 :  0.140212  1.000000  0.040000
Shoot the Bullet                                    :  0.139691  0.584000  0.062718
Insector X (Genesis)                                :  0.138192  0.705600  0.054953
Cotton 2                                            :  0.135893  1.160000  0.028185
Outzone                                             :  0.135693  1.000000  0.036923
Dogyuun                                             :  0.135011  1.000000  0.036458
Exed Exes                                           :  0.133401  1.025600  0.033943
Revenge of the Robot Cats from Mars                 :  0.132869  1.000000  0.035000
Solar Striker                                       :  0.132869  1.000000  0.035000
Samurai Aces(ARC)                                   :  0.132750  1.000000  0.034919
Psycho Chaser (TG-16)                               :  0.131476  0.921600  0.038400
Strike Force (Arcade)                               :  0.131476  0.921600  0.038400
Aero Fighters III                                   :  0.129777  1.000000  0.032895
Mazinger Z                                          :  0.128841  1.000000  0.032258
Silpheed: The Lost Planet                           :  0.127481  1.000000  0.031332
Delta (C64)                                         :  0.126655  1.000000  0.030769
Genocide Circuit 2                                  :  0.126060  1.000000  0.030364
Macross 2036 (PCE Duo)                              :  0.125278  0.705600  0.046161
Super Fantasy Zone                                  :  0.123830  1.000000  0.028846
Dropzone                                            :  0.123830  1.000000  0.028846
Darwin 4078                                         :  0.123087  1.000000  0.028340
Steel Empire GBA                                    :  0.122636  0.640000  0.048000
Twinbee                                             :  0.122636  0.640000  0.048000
Silk Worm                                           :  0.122546  1.000000  0.027972
Fantasy Zone                                        :  0.120822  0.577600  0.050226
N2O aka Nitrous Oxyde                               :  0.120114  1.000000  0.026316
Slap Fight                                          :  0.120114  1.000000  0.026316
Defender                                            :  0.120114  1.000000  0.026316
Tokio                                               :  0.119811  1.000000  0.026110
Satan's Hollow                                      :  0.119811  1.000000  0.026110
Wings of Death                                      :  0.119711  1.000000  0.026042
Change Air Blade                                    :  0.117616  1.000000  0.024615
Android Assault                                     :  0.117286  1.000000  0.024390
Image Fight II                                      :  0.117286  1.000000  0.024390
Twin Eagle                                          :  0.114628  1.000000  0.022581
Geometry Wars                                       :  0.108916  1.000000  0.018692
Nebulas Ray                                         :  0.108916  1.000000  0.018692
Shienryu Explosion                                  :  0.106277  0.774400  0.029408
Phalanx                                             :  0.106277  0.774400  0.029408
Varth                                               :  0.103396  1.025600  0.013514
Gemini Wings                                        :  0.102749  1.000000  0.014493
1943 Kai                                            :  0.101311  1.000000  0.013514
Cotton                                              :  0.101046  1.000000  0.013333
Bio Metal                                           :  0.100788  1.000000  0.013158
Millipede                                           :  0.100788  1.000000  0.013158
Divine Sealing                                      :  0.100788  1.000000  0.013158
Scramble                                            :  0.100788  1.000000  0.013158
Gaia Seed                                           :  0.099540  1.000000  0.012308
Katakis (C64)                                       :  0.099159  1.000000  0.012048
Return of the Invaders                              :  0.099159  1.000000  0.012048
Xevious 3D/G                                        :  0.099136  0.640000  0.032000
Detana Twinbee                                      :  0.099136  0.640000  0.032000
Nanostray                                           :  0.099136  0.640000  0.032000
Sinastar                                            :  0.096802  1.000000  0.010444
Angeraze 2                                          :  0.096062  0.921600  0.014288
Kingdom Grand Prix                                  :  0.095189  1.000000  0.009346
Sol Divide                                          :  0.092848  1.000000  0.007752
Xenon                                               :  0.092709  1.000000  0.007657
StarRay                                             :  0.092709  1.000000  0.007657
Spider Fighter                                      :  0.092709  1.000000  0.007657
Anaza Kaleidoscope Special (MSX1)                   :  0.091378  1.000000  0.006751
Xevious Fardraut Saga (MSX2)                        :  0.091378  1.000000  0.006751
Abadox                                              :  0.091190  1.000000  0.006623
Knightmare (MSX1)                                   :  0.090759  1.000000  0.006329
Blaster Burn (MSX2)                                 :  0.090139  1.000000  0.005907
Cotton 100%                                         :  0.089832  1.000000  0.005698
Undeadline (MSX2)                                   :  0.088900  1.000000  0.005063
Formation Z (Arcade)                                :  0.086536  0.705600  0.019783
Banshee                                             :  0.085982  1.000000  0.003077
Steel Saviour                                       :  0.085961  1.000000  0.003063
Carcharodon White Sharks                            :  0.084993  0.921600  0.006752
Ziriax                                              :  0.084993  0.921600  0.006752
Aero Fighters                                       :  0.084839  1.000000  0.002299
Super Spacefortress Macross/Chou-Jikuu Yousai Macros:  0.084332  1.000000  0.001953
Phobia                                              :  0.083712  1.000000  0.001531
Bosconian (Arcade)                                  :  0.083308  0.705600  0.017585
Radio Zonde                                         :  0.082218  0.230400  0.043200
datastorm (amiga) Nobody seems to mention this game,:  0.077618  0.462400  0.027200
Space Jockey (Atari 2600)                           :  0.076851  0.705600  0.013189
Guardian Force (Saturn)                             :  0.076851  0.705600  0.013189
GG Aleste                                           :  0.075636  0.640000  0.016000
The Embodiment of Scarlet Devil                     :  0.062394  0.313600  0.025088
Brave Blade                                         :  0.058213  0.313600  0.022241
Time Pilot '84                                      :  0.049532  0.230400  0.020945
ESPGaluda II                                        :  0.045807  0.129600  0.024000
Hotdog Storm                                        :  0.041880  0.313600  0.011121
Hellsinker                                          :  0.039919  0.230400  0.014400
Homura                                              :  0.019888  0.129600  0.006353
sky wolf                                            :  0.019385  0.160000  0.004324


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"Scaled Number of Voters: 81.84 " - what does that mean, Zach?


That's the total weight of the voters. Those who voted for a full 25 or more games get 1 point in that total; those voting for only 20 would contribute .64 to that total, and so on.
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Yikes..one of my fave games is last !!! :(
Is there nobody but me that likes SKY WOLF?? :cry:

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SPACE HARRIER wrote:
Yikes..one of my fave games is last !!! :(
Is there nobody but me that likes SKY WOLF?? :cry:


Don't feel too badly. Just think of it this way: it was less than one-one-thousandth out of 337th place. Maybe next year. Plus, these same nim-noes put XII Stag above Gunbird so you should take that ranking with a grain of salt... ;)

Zach: Phenomenal job on getting this completed! It's a fine list overall... nobody will be perfectly happy with all the results but it's a good list.
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Great job!
Dodonpachi really is the king of shooters then.
Too bad western shooters still can't make it... and I had high expectations on Apidya :D (which btw is the first western shooter to appear on the list if I am correct).
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Great, thanks! My top 3 games (Garagga, BD, Rayforce) all made it to the list, which makes it a good one. :) Under Defeat deserves a good place though...


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Hey, Apidya got a very respectable place !

It seems I was wrong about Space Manbow though... Zanac, Zanac EX and Aleste 2 all scored better than Space Manbow.
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Thats a hell of a fall from grace esprade has had

Good to see shiki 2 improving

Progear, dragon blaze and batrider really should be in the top 25


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Nice results!

The only real shame for me was to see no original Gradius in there, not even in the honorable mentions.

And I'm betting that Under Defeat will be the highest new entry next year.


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For anyone interested, I've taken to looking at things chronologically again...

Breakdown by Year

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YEAR      TOP25      HON.M       OVERALL       TITLES
1981        0                 1                   1                 Galaga
1982        0                 0                   0
1983        0                 0                   0
1984        0                 0                   0
1985        0                 0                   0
1986        0                 0                   0
1987        1                 1                   2                 R-Type, Sala(FC)
1988        0                 1                   1                 Gradius 2
1989        0                 1                   1                 Blazing Lazers
1990        1                 3                   4                 TF3, Raiden, MUSHA, Gaiares
1991        0                 0                   0
1992        1                 4                   5                 TF4, Axelay, GoT, S.Blade, S.Aleste
1993        1                 3                   4                 RayForce, Batsugun, LoT, Raiden2
1994        1                 1                   2                 RaidenDX, DariusGaiden
1995        0                 2                   2                 DonPachi, S1945
1996        2                 0                   2                 Garegga, Soukyugurentai
1997        4                 2                   6                 DDP, S1945II, G.Gaiden, Einhander, TF5, Batrider
1998        4                 3                   7                 Silvergun, GB2, ESP, RTDelta, GDarius, Feveron, BlazingStar
1999        2                 1                   3                 GigaWing, Guwange, Bakraid
2000        1                 2                   3                 MarsMatrix, Dimahoo, DragonBlaze
2001        0                 4                   4                 ZanacNeo, ZG2, Progear, GigaWing2
2002        2                 0                   2                 Ikaruga, DDPDOJ
2003        3                 1                   4                 BorderDown, ESP2, SnS2, RTFinal
2004        2                 0                   2                 GradiusV, Mushi
2005        0                 1                   1                 Ibara


Note that in the "Titles" column, Top25 games are listed before honourable mentions. For example, the 1994 row features one Top25 and one Hon.M; RaidenDX belongs to the former and DariusGaiden to the latter.


Other notes and comments:

1. We seem to slowly but surely be in the process of leaving the '80s behind. Last year there were 8 games from that period, whereas this year we are down to 5, having lost Gradius, Salamander, and ZanacEX. Still, R-Type remains a solid Top25 as it has always been, and Galaga lives! :)

2. On the topic of Salamander, I may be reading things wrong but it looks to me as though even if we compiled the votes for ARC/PCE/NES/MSX versions, it still woudn't be Top25 material -- it would only merit an honourable mention. I find this surprising. Similarly, if we compile the results for Gradius 3 (both ARC and SNES), it looks like it wouldn't even make an honourable mention. I find this even more surprising. In addition, the ARC version received more points than the SNES version for the first time.

3. Thunder Force 3 appears to be undergoing a slow but steady decline. Still, it displays remarkably consistent staying power as compared to other console shmups of that era which have fallen off the list (e.g. Axelay, MUSHA, Gradius 3 SNES, Gate of Thunder, Lords of Thunder, Soldier Blade, Blazing Lazers). Thunder Force 4 also manages to hang on to the bottom portion of the Top25 year after year.

4. Some love for the Raidens this year! Both Raiden and Raiden 2 are Hon.M., and of course DX is Top25 again.

5. Regarding the Top25 list itself, there are 17 verts and 8 horis, which is precisely the ratio we had last year, and is roughly the same ratio we've had since we started doing this poll in 2003.

6. DDP rules all.


professor ganson wrote:
Though I hate to see Gunbird 2 and Raiden dx so low down.

I don't think you should pay so much attention to the actual ranking, which would almost certainly be different if we did the poll again today. Simply, the fact that those games are on the Top25 is more signifcant I think.

Ganelon wrote:
Heh, Ketsui didn't even make it in HM?

Well, it was an honourable mention last year, but the voter pool was expanded by a factor of two so that may have had something to do with it. And it almost made Hon.M. anyway.

Alpolio wrote:
Several sites, like KLOV, has put [Guwange] in the same scrolling fighter/run-n-gun class as Metal Slug. (link) And I was kind of afraid that it would slip into the dreaded border line limbo here too.

Don't worry, that has not -- and will not -- ever happen here. I think everyone is in agreement that it's a true-blue shmup.

Ceph wrote:
BUT - not even an honorable mention for Nexzr?!!!

Now there's a game that not a lot of people have played. I will be very surprised if Nexzr ever makes Honourable Mention.

Shatterhand wrote:
Well , it seems like there's no more love for Toaplan....

I still find curious how Soldier Blade scored so highly in the 1st poll, then it never showed in the top 25 again.


We haven't had love for Toaplan in some time. Batsugun is Hon.M. this year as it was last year, but that's it. I don't have the 2003 and 2004 honourable mentions on hand, and I don't remember if other Toaplan titles (Twin Cobra? Flying Shark? Truxton 1 or 2?) made the cut at that time.

As for Soldier Blade, it's been Hon.M. both this year and last, so it's not as though it's been forgotten. As PCE stuff goes, Gate of Thunder, Lords of Thunder, and Blazing Lazers were all Top25 that first year as well, and though they have since been displaced from that list, they remain Hon.M.

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Too bad western shooters still can't make it... and I had high expectations on Apidya

It almost made it. I think it did well for itself.


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Ahh, what a crappy list, but then again most people here enjoy those new style bullet hell shooters a lot more than the older ones :( . The real list should go like this:

1. ) Insector X (Genesis)

2. ) Everything else :D .

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Zach Keene wrote:
Turrican wrote:
"Scaled Number of Voters: 81.84 " - what does that mean, Zach?


That's the total weight of the voters. Those who voted for a full 25 or more games get 1 point in that total; those voting for only 20 would contribute .64 to that total, and so on.


Oh. I thought the penalty was linear, not quadratic. Now that I have gone to look it up, I can't find anything that says exactly how it works. It might have affected my voting. No big deal though. I only voted for 1 game in the T25 and one in the HM list. I thought about voting for Gradius 5, but I didn't actually like it much.
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