My Pro Gear Died!!

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:19 pm

I am extremely pissed as my American version of Pro Gear died. I suppose the battery kicked off. Is there a way to bring this thing back to life? I cannot do it myself, but does anybody know where I can send this board for a death to life surgery? I knew this would happen. I changed the batteries on 1944 and Dimahoo and then I went to swap out Pro Gear but it was too late.

Frogacuda · Post by **Frogacuda** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:22 pm

oofah. It's tough. I know Razoola has been able to bring back boards, but there's no easy way. Go to cps2shock.retrogames.com and shoot him an email.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:25 pm

and i was beaten to the info punch.

sorry to hear about your loss Brian.

Ord · Post by **Ord** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 5:29 pm

Yes Razoola, will phoenix your board for you. He did this with my Progear board, and i'm very pleased with the service. Raz was very helpful throughout and the service was quick.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:15 pm

There's a jack-of-all-trades guy here who is very good with electroinics, gadgets in general. I am going to be taking my board to him soon. Cuz the game was released in spring 2001, now it's 2006 so I am sure it is near the end.

WarCheese · Post by **WarCheese** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:42 pm

Hello all:

Sorry to hear your loss, Brian. That being said, this suicide battery policy... Does it mean that all capcom boards last 5 years, and expires after that?

WarCheese

Vexorg · Post by **Vexorg** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 7:52 pm

If the suicide battery dies the board becomes unusable, although it could at one time be restored by sending it to Capcom (I don't know if they do this anymore.) The battery can be replaced, although I'm not familiar with the procedure to do this.

howmuchkeefe · Post by **howmuchkeefe** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:19 pm

-Feels sorry for Brian; Progear is sweet
-"Suicide battery"?
-Looks up "suicide battery"
-Is outraged

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Tue Mar 21, 2006 8:21 pm

Thanks for the sympathy. It is so stupid that a dumb thing like an arcade board could really bum me out. The pitfalls of being immature.

Thanks for the contact on Razoola, I will certainly get in touch with him. Thanks again for the help.

Post by **system11** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:15 am

I'm surprised you didn't get the battery changed before this happened. CPS2 suicide is well documented and widely known about.

There's a thread in the hardware forum detailing the change procedure - it's really very easy - unlike CPS1 which is an absolute bitch in comparison.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 10:29 am

I'd have him replace it with Japanese roms, the voices are removed in the NA release. Extremely minor gripe but the end of stage thing is timed around them talking. It's an atmosphere thing

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 2:22 pm

bloodflowers wrote:I'm surprised you didn't get the battery changed before this happened. CPS2 suicide is well documented and widely known about.

There's a thread in the hardware forum detailing the change procedure - it's really very easy - unlike CPS1 which is an absolute bitch in comparison.

Yea, I did wait too long. I finally got around to swapping them out. I figured I would do all 3 of the CPS II boards I have at once. I really did not expect the Pro Gear to be dead yet since I bought it two years ago under the assumption the battery was fairly new. At least I saved Dimahoo and 1944 for 5 more years.

SAM · Post by **SAM** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 4:59 pm

Sorry to hear this.

I swop the battery of my Progear once I acquired it. Since I don't know when did the last owner replaced the battery.

I think I might damaged part of the code table, since text of the maintance menu are all broken now. Lucky they could still readable, and there is nothing wrong with the game.

Vexorg wrote:If the suicide battery dies the board becomes unusable, although it could at one time be restored by sending it to Capcom (I don't know if they do this anymore.) The battery can be replaced, although I'm not familiar with the procedure to do this.

What, Capcom no longer repair suicided CP2 board?

I thought they would always repair it for you for a charge.

Phoenix mod is the only other option.

llaoyllakcuf wrote:AFAIK, the only way to do that is to replace all the game's original
program ROM chips with special "suicide free" ones.

see this site for details: CPS-2 Shock

I suggest you to contact the guy of CPS2 Shock, about Phoenix modding your dead Progear.

Since you have to paid money to repair it anyway, why not making it suicide free.

zaphod · Post by **zaphod** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:37 pm

Capcon only repairs a suicided board IF YOU ARE AN OPERATOR.

you send it back to the distributor with money, and they send it to capcom for the repair. The cost is peanuts to the arcade operator.

They never have fixed it for us lowly peons.

Razoola is the only one who can fix your board now. send your roms to him and the cash, and he sends you fixed ones.

yojo! · Post by **yojo!** » Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:58 pm

SAM wrote:I think I might damaged part of the code table, since text of the maintance menu are all broken now. Lucky they could still readable, and there is nothing wrong with the game.

Did you check if you did not bent any pin in on the B side when you tried to put A+B together ?. It happened to me once when I changed the battery on my Xmen Vs Capcom pcb. Went awaywhen I straighten them up.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:58 am

I've bent pins twice. CPS2 is such a lame, temperamental design.

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 1:07 pm

CPS2 isn't that big of a deal thanks to Razoola.

zak · Post by **zak** » Thu Mar 23, 2006 11:43 pm

I suggest getting the phoenix mod done on all CPS2 carts and dedicating the rarer ones to their own A board (games such as progear).

Will a phoenixed English or jap progear decrease in value?

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 12:19 am

This is a real pity. Damn those suicide batteries. Thank goodness for Raz and the Phoenix mod.

I'd think a Phoenixed board may increase in value a bit since it's no longer got a chance of dying this way.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:16 am

Phoenixed boards actually decrease their value because of all the boots out there. An original board should be just that, original. Its not difficult or costly to swap out all your CPS2 batteries once every 3-4 years. Excecpt if you are a lazy westerner I guess.

zak · Post by **zak** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 1:47 am

Dave_K. wrote:Phoenixed boards actually decrease their value because of all the boots out there. An original board should be just that, original. Its not difficult or costly to swap out all your CPS2 batteries once every 3-4 years. Excecpt if you are a lazy westerner I guess.

Would it make a difference if it was a complete kit?

Brian · Post by **Brian** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 2:01 am

I am the lazy westerner.

zaphod · Post by **zaphod** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 5:07 am

Legit phoenix boards always have the cps2shock link in them, and are always made formoriginal boards. hence, thyey do hodl their value somewhat.

The bootlegs ahve the reference blocked out. and yes, progear is one of the most common ones nowadays. ;(

If the battery is still alive, it's best to swap it.
BUt if the battery dies, the board has no more value unless it is turned into a phoenix edition.

Mark Matrix · Post by **Mark Matrix** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:36 pm

shame on CAPCOM who recycle old *i mean very old* battery on CPS2 boards without caring of what could happened. last week, i ve changed battery on MARS MATRIX and GIGAWING proudly and recently acquiried in Tokyo.....

the older battery had been made in 94/01 and was on MM board ... i guess it was time to replace it...

then, changing battery is not too hard * on CPS 2* even if you ve got 2 left hands ....

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:44 pm

Dave_K. wrote:Phoenixed boards actually decrease their value because of all the boots out there. An original board should be just that, original. Its not difficult or costly to swap out all your CPS2 batteries once every 3-4 years. Excecpt if you are a lazy westerner I guess.

I'd take the opposite tack. Get it phoenix modded and never worry about your shit dying on you. Adds a lot of neat features as well.

Nothing on CPSII is particularly valuable except Progear, IIRC. Not that value matters after you've bought the game.

Post by **undamned** » Fri Mar 24, 2006 10:52 pm

Dave_K. wrote:Its not difficult or costly to swap out all your CPS2 batteries once every 3-4 years. Excecpt if you are a lazy westerner I guess.

Word. It doesn't take much time to do a bunch either. It took me, including opening/closing the cases, probably less then an hour to do about a dozen. And that was considering that I bought batts that needed a different lead soldered on, so it was actually more time than replacing w/ stock batts!
-ud

BIG · Post by **BIG** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:00 am

I know a certain local who can resurrect your board.

PM me for more info.

B-

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:14 am

Out of curiosity, how much does it run to have a board Phoenix'ed.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 12:22 am

GaijinPunch wrote:Out of curiosity, how much does it run to have a board Phoenix'ed.

Yes, I need to know the cost as well.

Last night a buddy of mine tried to solder the battery, the solder points fastened to the board itself fine but just would not stick to the sides of the battery, as a last resort we used fiber tape to hold it down (sad I know, but I had another battery on order so figured it would do for a week in the mean time) Anyways, the board was still working fine long after I got home but was dead by this morning. So looks like I will be sending it to Razoola for a phoenix as well. That's what I get for being an arcade enthusiast I guess.

Also, can you just send the entire board to him as well? I do NOT want to attach the roms myself, static electricity ect.

Neon · Post by **Neon** » Sat Mar 25, 2006 1:03 am

Also, can you just send the entire board to him as well? I do NOT want to attach the roms myself, static electricity ect.

The shipping would be ungodly dude, just stick a screwdriver in your sock and yank the roms.