XRGB-mini Framemeister

[FBX]

Remember that CSYNC on Saturn is TTL and not CS75. I believe you'll need to add a resistor!

Well that would explain why it looked weird when I tried it straight.

[opt2not]

Anyone have any issues with playing Street Fighter II: Turbo on an SNES jr. with the Framemeister? When I go into the Character Selection screen, it looks like the sync goes crazy. Otherwise it works during the fights and title screen.

I do have a sync separator circuit within my scart cable, but this is the only game I've found so far that seems to wig-out. Any ideas?

I just tried out my regular NTSC SNES and I don't get this problem. So it's definitely something to do with the SNES jr. Anyone have an idea why this is happening?

[CaveManGamer]

Passive for me too..

I actually took the pig tail adapter that came with the XRGB mini and rewired it from JP21 to Euro Scart and made sure all the ground points are there and solid.

I got no issues with SNES Mini with simple RGB amp, Neo Geo AES, Sega Genesis nor NESRGB. As already mentioned, N64RGB modded N64 console with composite video into XRGB is clean.

Leon, have you tried using an older revision N64 modded RGB console with a CSYNC line? Maybe the XRGB doesn't like signal coming from Tim's board? Also, do the jail bars worsen when de-blur and 15 bit are enabled? I'd test these myself but my XRGB is lent out at the moment.

[leonk]

I lent my N64 NS1xxx out but when I get it back, I'll test it out.

No difference in jail bars when switching 15k/deblur on/off. Problem there even with original N64RGB firmware.

[CaveManGamer]

I just tested My N64RGB using my OSSC and a generic scaler. OSSC is crystal clear and same with the generic scaler (other than the horribly scaled video). No jail bars or checker boarding.

I used Ocarina of Time (think that's what you used in your test).
not sure what would cause the jail bars, but it would be a good idea if we started documenting those who are experiencing this and those who are not. I haven't been using my framemeister as much lately and I can't recall if I had the same issue. Going to have to wait until I get my XRGB back to do my own testing.

I am interested to hear if the ns1xxxx experiences this issue though. Let me know!

[FBX]

I recall my 7314 RGB modded N64 had a clean picture on the Framemeister. The new HDMI N64 I have also has an RGB analog mod, so I will check it as well.

Edit: Yep, clean there as well (uses Voultar's 7374 mod kit).

[CaveManGamer]

I recall my 7314 RGB modded N64 had a clean picture on the Framemeister. The new HDMI N64 I have also has an RGB analog mod, so I will check it as well.

Edit: Yep, clean there as well (uses Voultar's 7374 mod kit).

Curiouser and curiouser. So the N64RGB is experiencing jail bars while the RGB modded N64 is not? Very interesting!

[leonk]

I recall my 7314 RGB modded N64 had a clean picture on the Framemeister. The new HDMI N64 I have also has an RGB analog mod, so I will check it as well.

Edit: Yep, clean there as well (uses Voultar's 7374 mod kit).

Voultar's mod is same as 7314 - it only works with NS1xxxx consoles. You are relying on N64 generated RGB and sync signal. The N64RGB generates its own RGB and CSYNC output.

[FBX]

I recall my 7314 RGB modded N64 had a clean picture on the Framemeister. The new HDMI N64 I have also has an RGB analog mod, so I will check it as well.

Edit: Yep, clean there as well (uses Voultar's 7374 mod kit).

Voultar's mod is same as 7314 - it only works with NS1xxxx consoles. You are relying on N64 generated RGB and sync signal. The N64RGB generates its own RGB and CSYNC output.

I wasn't disputing any of that; just reporting those mods appear clean on the Framemeister.

[Wariolicious]

Wonder if anyone can help me with this. My Japanese Megadrive connected with RGB JP21 to the Framemeister, using FBX profiles. However there is some kind of sync issue: with sync at default level "9" the screen flickers and scrolls. When adjusted to around 19/20 the screen is more or less established but still there are still around 2-3 instances per minute of some flicker/instability, quite annoying. I have tried changing sync from auto to manual without any effect. Image looks absolutely perfect for the rest. Anyone can clue me in in possible fixes or what could cause this?

[jamisonia]

Only tangentially XRGB related, but what is the best upscaling solution for games that switch between 240p and 480i, such as Silent Hill? I was thinking of just getting one of the cheapo solutions that treats 240p as 480i and just dealing for that one game.

[Chocograph]

PC emulators.

[CaveManGamer]

Only tangentially XRGB related, but what is the best upscaling solution for games that switch between 240p and 480i, such as Silent Hill? I was thinking of just getting one of the cheapo solutions that treats 240p as 480i and just dealing for that one game.

The OSSC is probably your best bet as far as wait time during cut scenes, but I do prefer the look of the XRGB mini`s handling of 480i over the OSSC`s `Bob effect`. I wouldn`t buy a `cheapo` scaler. If anything, just run Silent Hill on your PS2 with component cables - your tv will most likely treat the signal as 480i anyways.

[axlblazeadam]

PC emulators.

Ok cool

[MetalMilitia]

Hey FBX, any word on the 720p profiles? I generally use my FM on a 720p screen and these would be very useful!

[ZellSF]

Only tangentially XRGB related, but what is the best upscaling solution for games that switch between 240p and 480i, such as Silent Hill? I was thinking of just getting one of the cheapo solutions that treats 240p as 480i and just dealing for that one game.

The OSSC is probably your best bet as far as wait time during cut scenes, but I do prefer the look of the XRGB mini`s handling of 480i over the OSSC`s `Bob effect`. I wouldn`t buy a `cheapo` scaler. If anything, just run Silent Hill on your PS2 with component cables - your tv will most likely treat the signal as 480i anyways.

Very heavily dependent on your TV though. The OSSC might switch instantly, but it still triggers a resolution change where it's up to your TV how long that will take and wether you get a ugly OSD shown every time the game changes resolution.

[Hoagtech]

I recall my 7314 RGB modded N64 had a clean picture on the Framemeister. The new HDMI N64 I have also has an RGB analog mod, so I will check it as well.

Edit: Yep, clean there as well (uses Voultar's 7374 mod kit).

Voultar's mod is same as 7314 - it only works with NS1xxxx consoles. You are relying on N64 generated RGB and sync signal. The N64RGB generates its own RGB and CSYNC output.

I just got the 7314 back from voultar and will be doing a review against the n64 you modded for me 3 years back with my smaller TI board.

It wasn't super noticeable but the colors and background solid color noise is noticeably better on the voultars so far.

[leonk]

I just got the 7314 back from voultar and will be doing a review against the n64 you modded for me 3 years back with my smaller TI board.

It wasn't super noticeable but the colors and background solid color noise is noticeably better on the voultars so far.

You know Voultar doesn't use a 7314.. So you're actually comparing an older 7314 design to a newer 7374.

[Hoagtech]

I just got the 7314 back from voultar and will be doing a review against the n64 you modded for me 3 years back with my smaller TI board.

It wasn't super noticeable but the colors and background solid color noise is noticeably better on the voultars so far.

You know Voultar doesn't use a 7314.. So you're actually comparing an older 7314 design to a newer 7374.

Thanks for clarifying

[opt2not]

Anyone have any issues with playing Street Fighter II: Turbo on an SNES jr. with the Framemeister? When I go into the Character Selection screen, it looks like the sync goes crazy. Otherwise it works during the fights and title screen.

I do have a sync separator circuit within my scart cable, but this is the only game I've found so far that seems to wig-out. Any ideas?

I just tried out my regular NTSC SNES and I don't get this problem. So it's definitely something to do with the SNES jr. Anyone have an idea why this is happening?

*tap* tap* Is this thing on?

[RaphM]

Since my Framemeister should arrive soon, I got a question regarding FBX's profiles.
In the FAQ I found the information that PAL is not officially supported since all profiles were created with NTSC hardware in mind.

However, what possible problems are there to expect when using the profiles with PAL consoles? (specifically Mega Drive 2 / SNES+SuperGameboy / N64 / PS2, all using cables/mods for RGB+CSYNC)

[FBX]

Hey FBX, any word on the 720p profiles? I generally use my FM on a 720p screen and these would be very useful!

I started working on them last month, but then got sidetracked with NES palette work. That work just wrapped up, but now I'm down with the flu on top of a stack of graphic design orders I must finish within in the next few weeks. I'd say give me a week and I'll be well enough to upload what I've been working on currently, which is the major standard systems like SNES, Genesis, Master System, etc. (I believe NES is already included in the current package).

[Lebeauluc]

I am jumping in this thread, because I am having jailbars issue with my N64RGB using csync cable on the mini. I downgraded the firmware to correct the issue, but I have not tried LTR profiles with newer firmware.

I was only passing by to see if there was a solution to this problem and adding my count to the list of those having this issue. By the way, I ordered my kit from Tim in 2016 and I am using a canadian NUS-CPU-04 revision.

[hippie131]

Has anyone else had issues with a small amount of falling static/pixels on all RGB systems? I seem to get that on every system. Using an LG OLED55E6 for my TV.

[MetalMilitia]

Hey FBX, any word on the 720p profiles? I generally use my FM on a 720p screen and these would be very useful!

I started working on them last month, but then got sidetracked with NES palette work. That work just wrapped up, but now I'm down with the flu on top of a stack of graphic design orders I must finish within in the next few weeks. I'd say give me a week and I'll be well enough to upload what I've been working on currently, which is the major standard systems like SNES, Genesis, Master System, etc. (I believe NES is already included in the current package).

Sorry to hear about the flu! Hope you're feeling better. Thanks for the update!

[leonk]

I am jumping in this thread, because I am having jailbars issue with my N64RGB using csync cable on the mini. I downgraded the firmware to correct the issue, but I have not tried LTR profiles with newer firmware.

I was only passing by to see if there was a solution to this problem and adding my count to the list of those having this issue. By the way, I ordered my kit from Tim in 2016 and I am using a canadian NUS-CPU-04 revision.

In newest firmware, play in GAME1 mode until solution is found.

[opt2not]

Anyone have any issues with playing Street Fighter II: Turbo on an SNES jr. with the Framemeister? When I go into the Character Selection screen, it looks like the sync goes crazy. Otherwise it works during the fights and title screen.

I do have a sync separator circuit within my scart cable, but this is the only game I've found so far that seems to wig-out. Any ideas?

I just tried out my regular NTSC SNES and I don't get this problem. So it's definitely something to do with the SNES jr. Anyone have an idea why this is happening?

Can anyone help me out with this? It sucks that I can't play the same games on my jr., that I can on my regular SNES. Is there any more info I can give to help debug this issue?

[FBX]

Can anyone help me out with this? It sucks that I can't play the same games on my jr., that I can on my regular SNES. Is there any more info I can give to help debug this issue?

Got it loaded up right now on my SNES jr, and it plays perfectly in either my 4x or 5x profile. No issues whatsoever during the character select screen. However (and I don't know if this makes a difference), mine is modded with the newer 7374 RGB amp board (with filter turned off).

Also I'm using the upgraded Csync cable from Retro_Console_Accessories, and I use a passive adapter into the Framemeister.

Perhaps try a passive solution with no sync stripper and see if there's a difference?

[dark1x]

I've run into a new problem and I fear there is an issue with my Framemeister unit.

I'm starting to see green dots on input flickering around the screen. They don't appear on the menu itself (either the blue or black background) but when inputting RGB, S-video or component I can see green dots all over the place.

Any thoughts? Tried half a dozen different HDMI cables and different displays. Same issue.

...OK, so at least one cable works fine. I don't get it.

[opt2not]

Can anyone help me out with this? It sucks that I can't play the same games on my jr., that I can on my regular SNES. Is there any more info I can give to help debug this issue?

Got it loaded up right now on my SNES jr, and it plays perfectly in either my 4x or 5x profile. No issues whatsoever during the character select screen. However (and I don't know if this makes a difference), mine is modded with the newer 7374 RGB amp board (with filter turned off).

Also I'm using the upgraded Csync cable from Retro_Console_Accessories, and I use a passive adapter into the Framemeister.

Perhaps try a passive solution with no sync stripper and see if there's a difference?

Ok I'll give it a shot. Thanks!