NES Classic Palette - Sifting Through the Noise

[RGBSource]

NESCLASSIC Palette - http://rgbsource.blogspot.com/2016/11/n ... y-for.html

Beta Palette - http://rgbsource.blogspot.com/2016/11/n ... fting.html



Theft of thunder!

[orange808]

It's time for HiDef NES to support importing a custom pallette.

[Ikaruga11]

So it's bad?

[Tatsuya79]

Those blue bricks in Mario caves are so blue.
Already noticed that in some video streams but I thought it was perhaps just the capture.

Isn't this "active noise" just bad electronics or something?

[bobrocks95]

Isn't this "active noise" just bad electronics or something?

Maybe if it were analog. Doubtful considering a fully digital signal path.

[Ikaruga11]

Isn't this "active noise" just bad electronics or something?

Maybe if it were analog. Doubtful considering a fully digital signal path.

So there's noise even with the CRT filter off?

[FBX]

I'll be doing a direct capture when the console arrives physically. I've done beta palettes myself based on online videos, but I'd rather do my own. I'm just going to use "perfect pixel" mode for my captures.

[Tatsuya79]

This Nes classic beta palette is not too far from Nescap but colder and a bit darker.
It feels like they captured the colours from a blueish screen.

Not too bad really.

[RGBSource]

Isn't this "active noise" just bad electronics or something?

Maybe if it were analog. Doubtful considering a fully digital signal path.

So there's noise even with the CRT filter off?

Correct - regardless of Display setting, subtle noise is applied to the whole screen.

[Ikaruga11]

Correct - regardless of Display setting, subtle noise is applied to the whole screen.

Dumbass Nintendo.

[bobrocks95]

Correct - regardless of Display setting, subtle noise is applied to the whole screen.

Dumbass Nintendo.

I couldn't notice it at all until I zoomed in really closely, and when I did finally see it, I feel like it adds a nice texture to the image..

[BONKERS]

Yeah, I like it too.

I mean, shit. If you are using an upscaler with RGB you are getting noise anyway from analog video and the image isn't 100% sharp.

[Ikaruga11]

There's absolutely no reason to have noise in a lossless digital signal though.

[FBX]

There's absolutely no reason to have noise in a lossless digital signal though.

I suspect it's some sort of protection against class-action law suits about solid color burn-in or something along those lines. Recall they also dimmed down the colors on the virtual console to protect against epilepsy law suits.

At any rate, I managed to get my order in at Gamestop, and they have already shipped it out to me, due to arrive Monday. I figure I will just do like I did with the NES direct captures by using Adobe Photoshop's color averaging feature. This will take the grain and smooth it into the closest averaged solid color for each palette entry.

[austin532]

Is epilepsy still a problem even with HDTV's? I've tried Iron Tank for the NES and the flashing is nothing compared to a CRT.

[FBX]

Is epilepsy still a problem even with HDTV's? I've tried Iron Tank for the NES and the flashing is nothing compared to a CRT.

Probably not, but there was no other reason for Nintendo to screw the colors up so badly as to make the games look like one was playing them in dirty fish tank water.

[austin532]

Wasn't it supposedly done to emulate the darker image you would get from scanlines?

[bobrocks95]

Wasn't it supposedly done to emulate the darker image you would get from scanlines?

That's the story I heard.

[Ikaruga11]

Nintendo has a fetish for darkening their games, even on handhelds where there are no scanlines.

[FBX]

Wasn't it supposedly done to emulate the darker image you would get from scanlines?

That's the story I heard.

If that's the case, I think we can all agree it didn't work.

[Tatsuya79]

I asked in the other thread but no one answered: is this noise related to the "burn-in protection" there is in the options menu?
Anyone tried with it OFF?

[FBX]

I asked in the other thread but no one answered: is this noise related to the "burn-in protection" there is in the options menu?
Anyone tried with it OFF?

From what I heard (and this is just what I heard), the burn-in protection is just a timed switch to screensaver mode.

[mikejmoffitt]

Maybe there's data encoded in the noise

[Ikaruga11]

So do any of the modes produce less noise?

[RGBSource]

I asked in the other thread but no one answered: is this noise related to the "burn-in protection" there is in the options menu?
Anyone tried with it OFF?

I thought of that and tested it out. No, the texture noise has no relation to the burn-in protection setting. It's the same setting Nintendo has included on the Wii and Wii U - dims the output after 5 minutes of inactivity.

[RGBSource]

NESCLASSIC NES palette is now ready!

http://rgbsource.blogspot.com/2016/11/n ... y-for.html

[FBX]

NESCLASSIC NES palette is now ready!

http://rgbsource.blogspot.com/2016/11/n ... y-for.html

Nice work!

Mine will be ready Tuesday morning, possibly late Monday night. I expect it may look very similar to yours considering how close our capture palettes were last time around. When it is done, I'll start the process of getting a new NESRGB firmware release going.

Edit: Just got notified UPS decided to add another day on the delivery date, even though I paid for one day shipping. Now they are claiming Tuesday delivery. Apparently they decided to sit on the package that was given to them Friday, and then "officially" scan the package today (Sunday) so they could claim 1 business day delivery doesn't start until Monday. ><

[jdawg131]

NESCLASSIC NES palette is now ready!

http://rgbsource.blogspot.com/2016/11/n ... y-for.html

Awesome news. I'd love to see some comparisons with the stock Natural RGB palette.

[Tatsuya79]

NESCLASSIC NES palette is now ready!

http://rgbsource.blogspot.com/2016/11/n ... y-for.html

Thanks!

My impression is the same, it's a bit too cold. I think NESCAP is better.
That's a bit annoying on the reds that go orange and some dark brown is getting lightened up in dark backgrounds.
Yeah everything has too much blue.

[RGBSource]

Thanks for the feedback everyone!

It appears a few users are rather upset about my palettes! If you check my blog articles I detail the steps I took to obtain the results for the NESCAP, NESCLASSIC, and HYBRID palettes. It's certainly not something only one person can do, and does not require many iterations to get the right result as I've shown. It only requires accurate capture hardware and a little bit of software know-how, which I believe I've proved. My apologies if this is that upsetting for some users.