XRGB-mini Framemeister

[MMJuno]

Same. I just got the one from Solaris with the Framemeister.

[Grime]

Really enjoying my Framemeister, I went ahead and bought a Selecty 21 switch, and that works a treat. I was wondering if anyone has piggy backed multiple Selecty 21's together with the Framemeister and if there was any issues or visual downgrade running through multiple switches? Thanks.

[jdawg131]

I just want some clarification on the RGB sync options and the XRGB Mini. I think that I've finally got a good grasp now, and can see why my last email to retro_console_accessories was ignored... LOL.

When dealing with RGB and interference, there are three things that I need to be concerned with:

1. Sync issues - the screen jumps all over the place
2. Checkerboard pattern in solid colors - primarily an issue with sync on composite video
3. Audio interference (buzzing / humming) - shouldn't be an issue when using CSync or sync on luma with properly shielded cables

All of my cables are either CSync (Genesis, NES (currently being RGB modded by Yurkie)) or sync on luma (SFC, SNES, N64, and Saturn). I take it as long as I don't have any of the above three issues, that I would not receive any benefits (improvements) by switching my SFC, SNES, and/or Saturn cables to CSync. Correct?

I also assume that I shouldn't need to turn on the sync stripper on my soon to be arriving gscartsw. Is this also correct?

[Shuco13]

Should we contact them again?

in the works - don't worry.

Any words/news about future firmware releases? I thoght they had said that they were "more comitted to more frequently releasing updates" as of this year.

[axlblazeadam]

All of my cables are either CSync (Genesis, NES (currently being RGB modded by Yurkie)) or sync on luma (SFC, SNES, N64, and Saturn). I take it as long as I don't have any of the above three issues, that I would not receive any benefits (improvements) by switching my SFC, SNES, and/or Saturn cables to CSync. Correct?

No because your SNES needs to be modded to output CSync. If LUMA works for you and it's fine, keep it that way.

As long as you don't have any interference, noise or whatever that is not inherent to the Framemeister (the noise in the solid colors for instance), keep it as is.

[Guspaz]

No because your SNES needs to be modded to output CSync. If LUMA works for you and it's fine, keep it that way.

Errm, every original NTSC SNES supports csync except the 1chip-03, which is very rare. The Snes Mini doesn't support RGB at all without modding.

[jdawg131]

No because your SNES needs to be modded to output CSync. If LUMA works for you and it's fine, keep it that way.

Errm, every original NTSC SNES supports csync except the 1chip-03, which is very rare. The Snes Mini doesn't support RGB at all without modding.

Both my SFC and SNES are the original fat models; neither are the one chip or mini models. I just wanted to verify that if I don't see (or hear) any issues with sync on luma that there'd be no point (benefit) to switching to CSync.

[FBX]

No because your SNES needs to be modded to output CSync. If LUMA works for you and it's fine, keep it that way.

Errm, every original NTSC SNES supports csync except the 1chip-03, which is very rare. The Snes Mini doesn't support RGB at all without modding.

Both my SFC and SNES are the original fat models; neither are the one chip or mini models. I just wanted to verify that if I don't see (or hear) any issues with sync on luma that there'd be no point (benefit) to switching to CSync.

If you don't have any issues, then no benefit of course. But consider that something might happen down the road where you wish you had gone ahead with csync. I see no reason not to go with the cleanest sync signal, especially if it's readily available.

[jdawg131]

I'm getting an audio dropout on my N64 (RGB) when playing International Superstar Soccer 2000. It always occurs in the middle of the second half. The sound just cuts out and won't come back until I power cycle the N64. I've no issue so far with the AKI wrestling games (WCW/nWo Revenge, WWF No Mercy, VPW 2) and Ocarina of Time. I've played each of the games for 30+ minutes at a time; the audio is cutting out on ISS 2000 after about 15-20 minutes. The N64 is connect to the Selecty21 using an 8 foot sync on luma cable before running into the XRGB Mini. I had no issues when it was connected via S-video (before and after having it RGB modded).

Is this an interference issue? Do I need to upgrade to a pro coaxial cable from retro_console_accessories? I'm just using her standard cable at the moment.

[Fudoh]

if you haven't done so already, increase your sync level settings on the FM. If it's under 10 right now, go to 15 or 16 and see if the drop outs still occur.

[jdawg131]

if you haven't done so already, increase your sync level settings on the FM. If it's under 10 right now, go to 15 or 16 and see if the drop outs still occur.

Thank you for the quick reply. Your recommendation worked. It was set to Auto (9). I raised it to 15, and was able to finish an entire match without the audio dropping. Just for my own curiosity/clarification, why did I have to raise the sync level? What was the root cause of the issue?

[Fudoh]

different systems require different settings and if you run through a switch beforehand, an increased setting can be required as well. Absolutely nothing to worry about.

[Last Springsteen]

Hey guys I'm new here and I have an odd problem with my Framemeister which I can't solve ever after weeks of trying.

I read nearly 250 pages of this thread about the typicall Framemeister problems but I haven't found a discussion about the problem I have recognized.
I tested two different Framemeisters on three different Tv's with five different HDMI cables and seven different consoles.

So here is what I get:
With Picture Mode selected and along with a scrolling background I some slight pixelflicker and slight pixelsmearing on the left screen site principally with light gray, brown, light blue, deep purple and sometimes green colors most at square pixel patterns. On a static Images everthing is fine.

If I enable modes with LPF (e.g. Game 1) the problem is disappearing.
I tried to take a video but unfortunately without a capture card I'm not able to show the problem.
But by chance I found this out:

https://youtu.be/q9F9RpxTNOc


This is Conta Hard Corps on MD1 over RGB with Picture Mode and sharpness at 30 and A/D level at approx. 35.
The darker part on the left site is exactly the area where I get the pixel problems with picture Mode under normal settings (Picture Mode, sharpness 0 and A/D level 128). As expected, if Game 1 Mode is enabled the darker part left disappeared.

Same odd shadow on component Input with PS2, same Problem via composite but harder to recognize due to the blurry signal.

ONLY over HDMI input (Wii U) and Picture Mode the result is absolutely fine.

So I thought my Mini was faulty and I sent it back to Micomsoft (thank you Solaris!) but unfortunately they coudn't replicate my problem.

So now, I'm a bit helpless...
Does anyone recognized the same problem?
Or can anyone replicate it?

Or is it only the way how the Picture Mode is rendering scrolling?


Thanks in advance!

[KabuTheFox]

acquired a framemeister sometime last year, and finally have a console that i can use rgb with on it...but....i have no idea if the adapter that came with it is scart or jp21. any way of knowing visually?

[masqdgamer]

acquired a framemeister sometime last year, and finally have a console that i can use rgb with on it...but....i have no idea if the adapter that came with it is scart or jp21. any way of knowing visually?

JP21 is what is included with the FM.

[DarkWG]

care to share the settings to achive this? =)

You mean the Framemeister's zoom settings? Not at all, here they are:

ZOOM_SIZE = 90
ZOOM_H_POS = 42 (optional)
ZOOM_V_POS = 8
ZOOM_WIDTH = 72
ZOOM_OVERSCAN = 100 (standard)

And you have to increase V_WIDTH from 32 (standard) to 53.

To achieve the same result with an intelligently designed zoom funktion I would have needed to increase ZOOM_HEIGHT (fictional setting) by 20%, for example from 100 to 120. But no...

Hey Thomago!

I found you old post here, it helped me too to zoom away the pal bars But i have to questions, maybe you can help me (or any other in this board):

1. I tested your settings and i think there is a little bit still cut off at the top or buttom of the image. is that the only way for those settings? it was only very few pixels, so i think that is not a big problem for me!

2. It seems that your setttings are take off the squashed picture too, so we have an unsquashed picture too like it should look like the original NTSC Versions. Thats very nice, but i would like too know if you have settings if i want to fill up the screen of my tv with the picture, so take away tha PAL bars, but i want to stay with the squashed picture like it was in the original pal games. i know its stays squashed then, but i tried to only zoom into the picture so the PAL bars get away, but it didnt worked ...

When i zoomed in more and more, the framemeister began to cut off the image at both sides left and right... don't know why it does that because there is enough room because the image is send is a 16:9 picture, so i dont understand why it cut off on the sides, i think the framemeister adds virtual black bars on both sides there and dont let me zoom in enough without cutting the image off, it feels like it pushes/zooms the image "under" those black bars, but than i lose image informations, there are cut off than ....

So, maybe you have an idea wich settings i should take to get away the PAL bars but let the image still be squashed ?

And if someone could explain me why the framemeister is cutting off the image on both sides left and right when i zoom in too much, thanks everyone for clear me up! (Hope you understand what i want to say, because english is not my main language)

[KabuTheFox]

acquired a framemeister sometime last year, and finally have a console that i can use rgb with on it...but....i have no idea if the adapter that came with it is scart or jp21. any way of knowing visually?

JP21 is what is included with the FM.

It is offered with your choice of either, but not sure how recent that was

[Flea46]

Hi everyone, I'd like to know if anyone else has ever had issues updating the firmware on their Framemeister?

Having recently purchased a unit that shipped with firmware 2.00, I'm ideally looking to update this to the latest 2.03A.

With the "XRGBmini" folder on the root of the MicroSD card my Framemeister boots normally after inserting the DC adapter, rather than beginning to update the firmware with the alternately flashing Power & Input lights. I've tried using an older version of the firmware (2.20) to no avail. Strangely I was under the impression since 2.00 profiles (via .bin files) are supported, however my Framemeister will also not see any of FBX's .bin files either (I've tried placing these in the standard "EEPData" directory & on the root of the MicroSD card without success).

The MircoSD card I'm using was included with the Framemeister & even after formatting to FAT32 it still seems to be unrecognised.

If anyone has any suggestions it would be much appreciated

[Ja81]

Hello all, new member here, living in England.

A few months ago, during a random conversation, I got bitten by the nostalgia bug and decided I wanted to get a SNES, to relive a little bit of my youth. So, after a little research, I got myself a European (PAL) 1Chip-02 SNES and pretty much all the games I want to play on it, all PAL versions (no mods to the console at all). I also got myself an RGB SCART cable (this one), because at the time my misunderstanding was that this was the way to get the best picture out of my SNES on my HD TV, which is old and has a SCART input (as well as others, including HDMI).

Then, I stumbled upon this Framemeister business and decided I'd like to get involved. In my naivete I figured that, based on what I'd read up to that point, my SNES would give a great picture if simply used with an RGB SCART cable running directly from the SNES to my HD TV, and that a Framemeister could give me an even better result if I wanted to use/where I'd have to use a TV's HDMI input rather than SCART (e.g. my cousin wanted me to take my SNES to his place so he could partake in nostalgia too, but when I did we discovered that his HD TV didn't have a SCART input).

It was only after reading/viewing tons more info (including every page of this thread - all 334, fudoh's excellent work away from this site, my life in gaming's stuff, etc.) that I understood how naive I was and that the Framemeister is probably best to optimise experience for everything that isn't PAL. Nevertheless, I'm happy with what I've got and decided to plow on as is rather than change all my PAL gear for otherwise - partly because the idea of changing up seemed long and would introduce further costs, partly because I imagine that, as time goes on, TV's are more likely to maintain HDMI inputs than SCART, so if I want to keep playing my SNES for many more years (I do), then using a Framemeister is more likely to be conducive to that than relying solely on a SCART cable. That's left me with one query - what Framemeister settings/profiles will give me the best results on my SNES?

Now, I wish there was an FBX or Austin532 type-person out there who shared great Framemeister profiles for an unmodified PAL SNES like mine, but I've yet to come across anyone (or any information) like that in all my research. So here I am, asking with no little amount of desperation:

1) Does anyone know what Framemeister profile/settings will give me the best possible picture on my PAL SNES (with scan lines)?

2) Does anyone know what Framemeister profile/settings will give me the best possible picture on my PAL SNES (without scan lines)?

3) If you could also give me general advice for TV settings (which I've noticed from this thread can be an issue in itself), that would be helpful. I say general because whilst I know I won't branch out beyond my SNES, as far as classic gaming goes, I will probably play my SNES on different HD TV's now and then.

Seriously, if anyone is willing to have a crack at my questions I'd be very very grateful. Please be aware, I am a total novice when it comes to all of this stuff, but I'm a good and appreciative listener. (:

Nb. In terms of my setup/hardware at the moment, I have my SNES and RGB SCART cable as mentioned, my Framemeister (still box fresh), a European power supply to replace the Japanese one you get with the Framemeister and a microSD card. Just waiting on this to come back in stock so I can order it, to (hopefully) tie up all loose ends in this department.

[rtw]

If anyone has any suggestions it would be much appreciated

Are you using a MAC ?

[Flea46]

Are you using a MAC ?

I'm using a PC running on Windows 10 Pro (64-bit).

[TheShadowRunner]

I'm using a PC running on Windows 10 Pro (64-bit).

Try to reformat your mSD using https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/format ... a_windows/ instead of the Windows built-in app.

[Flea46]

Try to reformat your mSD using https://www.sdcard.org/downloads/format ... a_windows/ instead of the Windows built-in app.

Wow, just tried this & its now working , spent most of my Sunday trying to get this sorted! I owe you a beer.

Weird how Window's own disk management utility seems to be inadequate when formatting disks. Come to think of it I had a similar issue when attempting to format a 2TB HDD to FAT32 using Windows Disk Management, in that case MiniTool Partition Wizard worked a treat.

[theclaw]

acquired a framemeister sometime last year, and finally have a console that i can use rgb with on it...but....i have no idea if the adapter that came with it is scart or jp21. any way of knowing visually?

JP21 is what is included with the FM.

It is offered with your choice of either, but not sure how recent that was

News to me. Are you talking about a reseller swapping an item out of the box? Or is Micomsoft getting wiser?

[axlblazeadam]

News to me. Are you talking about a reseller swapping an item out of the box? Or is Micomsoft getting wiser?

Solaris (which most people use to order their FM outside of Japan) offers EuroSCART as an option now too...

[Ja81]

Hello all, new member here, living in England.

Bumping this post, hoping someone can help..?

[austin532]

Hello all, new member here, living in England.

A few months ago, during a random conversation, I got bitten by the nostalgia bug and decided I wanted to get a SNES, to relive a little bit of my youth. So, after a little research, I got myself a European (PAL) 1Chip-02 SNES and pretty much all the games I want to play on it, all PAL versions (no mods to the console at all). I also got myself an RGB SCART cable (this one), because at the time my misunderstanding was that this was the way to get the best picture out of my SNES on my HD TV, which is old and has a SCART input (as well as others, including HDMI).

Then, I stumbled upon this Framemeister business and decided I'd like to get involved. In my naivete I figured that, based on what I'd read up to that point, my SNES would give a great picture if simply used with an RGB SCART cable running directly from the SNES to my HD TV, and that a Framemeister could give me an even better result if I wanted to use/where I'd have to use a TV's HDMI input rather than SCART (e.g. my cousin wanted me to take my SNES to his place so he could partake in nostalgia too, but when I did we discovered that his HD TV didn't have a SCART input).

It was only after reading/viewing tons more info (including every page of this thread - all 334, fudoh's excellent work away from this site, my life in gaming's stuff, etc.) that I understood how naive I was and that the Framemeister is probably best to optimise experience for everything that isn't PAL. Nevertheless, I'm happy with what I've got and decided to plow on as is rather than change all my PAL gear for otherwise - partly because the idea of changing up seemed long and would introduce further costs, partly because I imagine that, as time goes on, TV's are more likely to maintain HDMI inputs than SCART, so if I want to keep playing my SNES for many more years (I do), then using a Framemeister is more likely to be conducive to that than relying solely on a SCART cable. That's left me with one query - what Framemeister settings/profiles will give me the best results on my SNES?

Now, I wish there was an FBX or Austin532 type-person out there who shared great Framemeister profiles for an unmodified PAL SNES like mine, but I've yet to come across anyone (or any information) like that in all my research. So here I am, asking with no little amount of desperation:

1) Does anyone know what Framemeister profile/settings will give me the best possible picture on my PAL SNES (with scan lines)?

2) Does anyone know what Framemeister profile/settings will give me the best possible picture on my PAL SNES (without scan lines)?

3) If you could also give me general advice for TV settings (which I've noticed from this thread can be an issue in itself), that would be helpful. I say general because whilst I know I won't branch out beyond my SNES, as far as classic gaming goes, I will probably play my SNES on different HD TV's now and then.

Seriously, if anyone is willing to have a crack at my questions I'd be very very grateful. Please be aware, I am a total novice when it comes to all of this stuff, but I'm a good and appreciative listener. (:

Nb. In terms of my setup/hardware at the moment, I have my SNES and RGB SCART cable as mentioned, my Framemeister (still box fresh), a European power supply to replace the Japanese one you get with the Framemeister and a microSD card. Just waiting on this to come back in stock so I can order it, to (hopefully) tie up all loose ends in this department.

There can only be one FBX and one Austin532

As far as your situation goes I wish I could be of more help but I'm trying to understand the PAL stuff myself. Since you are using a PAL system my scanline settings probably won't look very good. Same goes with the profiles.

I'm not sure what you mean by TV settings. Disabling everything will help reduce input lag. Calibrating it will also help.

[RGB32E]

Hello all, new member here, living in England.

A few months ago, during a random conversation, I got bitten by the nostalgia bug and decided I wanted to get a SNES, to relive a little bit of my youth. So, after a little research, I got myself a European (PAL) 1Chip-02 SNES and pretty much all the games I want to play on it, all PAL versions (no mods to the console at all). I also got myself an RGB SCART cable (this one), because at the time my misunderstanding was that this was the way to get the best picture out of my SNES on my HD TV, which is old and has a SCART input (as well as others, including HDMI).

Then, I stumbled upon this Framemeister business and decided I'd like to get involved.

Down the rabbit hole you go! Aside from jokers making profiles and other "highlander-esk" claims for ballyhoo, in order to show your own work you can use an existing test pattern to make your own "profiles". The 240p test suite was "actually" developed for this purpose and will allow you to fine adjust the Zoom settings to your preference. Download Artemio's 240p test suite to a flash cart and have fun! No need to be on a show boater's dole!

[austin532]

There he goes again...

[RGB32E]

There he goes again...

My XRGB-mini tribute song. Lighten up already!