Opinions on NES mod

[Voultar]

Well, it looks like Voultar agrees with me contra Skips - good practices should force out lazy and incompetent practices.

As for Jason's endorsements being Jason's thing - yes, wholeheartedly agree, and I wrote just that before. However I hope that it has a good effect in the community.

@ Voultar: I can see where you're coming from, so treat my use of the word "community" there as a mistake. I agree that Jason can do as he likes and I probably shouldn't have asked whether he would put his foot down on the sticker thing, as it's probably just going to stir up trouble. However it seemed like a good way to clarify this issue, not to undercut Jason's resolve - and in case you haven't guessed, this also can serve as a kind of community policing Though it's probably one I should have kept out of.

But here's the point:

This entire thread is entirely predicated on an internal discussion relating to his business. It should have never been blasted publicly.

The community doesn't need to know the inner-workings of whatever internal decisions Jason makes for his business, it's of no benefit to anyone in the modding community.

Jason sent the dude a private E-mail. He didn't create a thread on a public forum to question or charge him for whatever.. He wasn't making an example of him.

Should. Not. Exist.

[Skips]

Well, it looks like Voultar agrees with me contra Skips - good practices should force out lazy and incompetent practices.

As for Jason's endorsements being Jason's thing - yes, wholeheartedly agree, and I wrote just that before. However I hope that it has a good effect in the community.

@ Voultar: I can see where you're coming from, so treat my use of the word "community" there as a mistake. I agree that Jason can do as he likes and I probably shouldn't have asked whether he would put his foot down on the sticker thing, as it's probably just going to stir up trouble. However it seemed like a good way to clarify this issue, not to undercut Jason's resolve - and in case you haven't guessed, this also can serve as a kind of community policing Though it's probably one I should have kept out of.

But here's the point:

This entire thread is entirely predicated on an internal discussion relating to his business. It should have never been blasted publicly.

The community doesn't need to know the inner-workings of whatever internal decisions Jason makes for his business, it's of no benefit to anyone in the modding community.

Jason sent the dude a private E-mail. He didn't create a thread on a public forum to question or charge him for whatever.. He wasn't making an example of him.

Should. Not. Exist.

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[Ed Oscuro]

@ Skips:

"Contra" means against. I guess you and Voultar are just attacking different points so I'm probably not right on that point.

I'm not really sure why you guys are directing a bunch of responses to me when it seems clear to me we all agree on the major points. I've already said that it probably was a mistake to ask Jason a question, but I figure we're already here having this discussion and he can say something if he likes. Since he already did, I'm sure it was a mistake on my part to ask that question, since I didn't want to make it look like I think Jason is open to criticism for his endorsements policy, or that he wasn't clear already about why he didn't like the sticker business. Nevertheless, I could definitely see times when this discussion would be a useful example to others. Was it right that it happened this way, with somebody violating a confidence? No, of course not.

Beyond that, I don't know why Skips is repeating parts of my own posts to me, or why Voultar is thinking that I don't believe that private conversations should remain private. I'm not sure what "that mentality" is either, but in the name of sanity I think we all ought to hang it up now.

[the_crayon_king]

Firstly I don't need/didn't ask for endorsement.
Secondly I warranty my own work.
Thirdly there is no other 'good' place for that switch unless you leave out one of the video options. [This forum you would think would be aware of that.]
Fourthly 275 $ for that console leaves plenty of room for profit 275-(100+65+30+15), that's 65$ profit.
Fifthly if a customer sees this 'unprofessional behavior' and doesn't want to use me I am completely fine with that. It's on my facebook page and so are most of my other consoles I have worked on. I am nothing if not transparent.
https://www.facebook.com/crayon.mods/photos

Finally everyone lost all right to privacy once the words "false advertisement" were thrown around. Keep in mind this is after explaining that it was my console. My behavior was a reaction to some type of employee/employer relationship that some unnamed party may have gotten into their head. I'm pretty sure I set that straight if nothing else.

and@ voultar isn't your opinion is a bit tainted due to your location smack dab on the top of the recommended installers page?

[Josh128]

Well, it looks like Voultar agrees with me contra Skips - good practices should force out lazy and incompetent practices.

As for Jason's endorsements being Jason's thing - yes, wholeheartedly agree, and I wrote just that before. However I hope that it has a good effect in the community.

@ Voultar: I can see where you're coming from, so treat my use of the word "community" there as a mistake. I agree that Jason can do as he likes and I probably shouldn't have asked whether he would put his foot down on the sticker thing, as it's probably just going to stir up trouble. However it seemed like a good way to clarify this issue, not to undercut Jason's resolve - and in case you haven't guessed, this also can serve as a kind of community policing Though it's probably one I should have kept out of.

Honestly Voultar and I are talking on google talk trying to figure out wtf you mean by contra.

Contra-- really? You of all people should know.

[Guspaz]

Voultar earned that position by doing excellent quality work and always being willing to help people out when they have modding problems, even when it's unrelated to his work. He's also worked with Jason to help develop the installation process, such as research into developing cutting templates.

[Voultar]

and@ voultar isn't your opinion is a bit tainted due to your location smack dab on the top of the recommended installers page?

When you create a thread titled "opinions on NES mod" on a public forum, that's pretty much a public invitation for anyone to give you an opinion.

I don't see how my opinion is "tainted" or influenced by being a warranty backed installer. How could giving my opinion be in any way self-serving in this thread??

That's kind of a low blow, if you ask me. Considering the help and/or advice I've given you in previous threads...

[Ed Oscuro]

Firstly I don't need/didn't ask for endorsement.

Isn't losing the endorsement the only thing other people could have noticed? (You're also just kidding yourself if you think you don't need and want other people to play nice, as your angry response to Jason shows this made you very angry, but you didn't stop to think that maybe you're the one not playing nice.) As far as I can tell, Jason wrote you up to say you wouldn't be endorsed for that kind of work (and attitude, later). That was it - he also made it clear he wouldn't try to cut you off from a supply of parts. He wasn't slamming you in public or private and he was also clearly willing to see if you had a good response to his points. You know this, because you did make an attempt to explain the "false advertising" bit. But at the same time you weren't cool, and you did try to humiliate him privately with an angry response, and now you are trying to do that publicly.

If you don't care about the endorsement then you should have no public complaint about this whatever. Even if you did care about the endorsement, nobody would have known the exact reasons and you could continue doing the work. In other words the only reason I see for you doing this is either that you do want to look good, so then the endorsement actually does matter, or else you just want revenge.

Finally everyone lost all right to privacy once the words "false advertisement" were thrown around.

By "everyone" you should mean only Jason, because you shouldn't go spreading around other people's private words because of this dispute. Now you're trying to drag Voultar into it; you know you're not going to get anywhere if you start talking up a grand conspiracy, that's just going to end up with "everyone" against you, including potential customers.

But about this quote...I'm sorry, but that's wrong. If somebody asks you something privately, and you answer "no," then nobody else needs to know you were asked. It's like asking "did you eat the last Twinkie" or "did you flush the toilet?" I think that's how Jason was going to handle that. I can't speak for Jason but if you were telling the truth, then that probably is a good enough answer (picture of the console being worked on = truthful advertising).

In short, nobody cares, and please go away and rethink your strategy.

[mikejmoffitt]

I don't think this is a complicated situation. Whether or not the tone in Jason's email was rude or not, that doesn't matter. If you would like him to endorse and advertise your availability on his site (which he's under no obligation to do) then of course a certain level of craftsmanship is expected, alongside professionally appropriate communication. I don't want to repeat what others have said, but your emails came off as crude and angry, alongside the act of posting a conversation that was initially held in confidence on a public forum.

You should apologize and continue offering modification services on your own, if you'd like to.