Opinions on NES mod

[the_crayon_king]

Refer to link:
http://imgur.com/a/AXUZm

I am not attacking anyone just want to know if I am being unreasonable.

[cfx]

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[Ikaruga11]

My opinion: I would be 100% unsatisfied with work like that.

The attitude expressed in your two posts is totally unacceptable and completely unprofessional as well.

[Ed Oscuro]

Somebody needs to tell that guy that when you work for a client, you are working for them, and their interests. The buyer has to live with the end result, after all.

This is a good example of why I'm loath to send off the best example of a console I have to have anything done to it.

[the_crayon_king]

Somebody needs to tell that guy that when you work for a client, you are working for them, and their interests. The buyer has to live with the end result, after all.

This is a good example of why I'm loath to send off the best example of a console I have to have anything done to it.

That's the thing this is MY console. Put up for sale for 275$. I don't care about stickers and the pictures do not obscure anything.
The buyer has all the tools needed to make an informed decision on whether to buy.

It's this bit:
"Nor do I like the idea of pics posted are not the actual item for sale, that's false advertising."

Is it false advertising to make a listing clearly showing all the pics; am I crazy ?
Also yes I know I am unprofessional and an ass. I literally do this for beer money and to offset price hikers and I have 164 seller feedback saying I do a decent job so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Ed Oscuro]

Oh damn, I needed to read this more carefully.

You know collectors are crazy enough to get their revenge in creative ways. I'm glad to hear your customers are saying good things about your work and I understand your irritation with Jason's stance, but this does seem like a problem waiting to happen, especially if you view it from Jason's perspective - he doesn't want to send somebody to a modder who might do something that customer will end up hating. I know, for example, that if I was considering this mod, I certainly wouldn't want it looking like the example you showed.

It's a minor thing but I think you save a bit more value on the console the more original it looks. As to who's got the best take on the value lost to the mod, given there doesn't seem to be much that can be done about putting a hole there, I don't think removing the sticker entirely really gets around that problem, but at least it is preserving more of the console and thus a bit more of the value (at least in theory).

[leonk]

I agree with Jason. You do come across like an ass. sorry. We already had a person on this forum roasted for his inability to take positive criticism, learn from people that have been in this hobby for decades, and try to add to the hobby (search for 'Drakon' to see what I'm talking about).

As for "I do this for beer money". I'm sorry, but if I got a system that looked like that from a modder, I wouldn't even give them "cup-of-water" money.

Think of if from the point of view of the customer. All they see is the outside. If the outside looks like a rushed job / little thought put to make it look professional, what do you think will go through their head when they think about the work done inside the system??

Personally, I don't like to drill holes into rare/expensive retro consoles if I don't have to. If I have to, I do so in out of sight spots, or find creative solutions (e.g. for top loader NESRGB switch, I prefer to install the NES-IGR). Google it.

[ApolloBoy]

That's the thing this is MY console. Put up for sale for 275$. I don't care about stickers and the pictures do not obscure anything.

If you're using pictures of your own consoles to represent the work you do, it's best if the work is nice and clean as that will get you more interest in your work.

And I'm with Leon, you don't come off well at all with these emails, and it probably wasn't wise to share them publicly since your potential customers can now see them.

[Skips]

You really did come off like an ass in those e-mails. Jason was right to remove you from the list. I am pretty sure he is looking for modders with both professional looking work and a professional attitude. From his perspective I can see him thinking you would talk to a customer the same way you talked to him which is 100% unacceptable. When you have modders on a list for projects like this you want ones that will both work and act professionally because it is a reflection upon you if they fuck it up completely or get rude/snippy with a customer. Responses like this with a customer would be bad business for him.

As for the switch you could have used a smaller one and placed it elsewhere. It looks lazy on your behalf that you took the easier route instead of trying a bit harder and making it so it preserves the console itself. I have done palette switches on RGB NES installs on this model and I was able to do it without damaging the back sticker. Is it harder? Yes it is but taking the extra time and effort to do it shows you are not lazy in your methods. You might think this looks good but most people will frown on such an install. This is a novice level switch install.

Not trying to offend you or anything as I have not seen your actual internal work before. I am just giving my two cents and some constructive criticism here.

*edit* Kudos to you Jason for quality control dude, love how you are handling the modder list so far.

[FBX]

I almost wonder if the OP is an actor or something. It's very bizarre to make a thread like this, when it only makes yourself look bad. Most everyone here knows who Jason is, and he's highly respected.

At any rate, I agree the switch sticking out of the label like that looks like a tweaker job.

[gojira54]

It's a shit sticker anyway who gives one
Don't like the switch placement but hey it's not a crime against humanity
Your mod your rules =]

[Ikaruga11]

It's a shit sticker anyway who gives one
Don't like the switch placement but hey it's not a crime against humanity
Your mod your rules =]

Good luck getting customers with that attitude.

[mvsfan]

btw, you sell your premodded nesrgb consoles too cheap. i dont know how you make anything at all after ebay fees.

[jay]

While I understand Jason is a respected figure in the community here, I don't understand why you guys bring up Crayola's attitude as unprofessional when Jason's seems pretty unprofessional from the initial email. At least, that's how it looks to me. I'm not trying to justify anything, but that seems off to me is all.

[FBX]

While I understand Jason is a respected figure in the community here, I don't understand why you guys bring up Crayola's attitude as unprofessional when Jason's seems pretty unprofessional from the initial email. At least, that's how it looks to me. I'm not trying to justify anything, but that seems off to me is all.

Maybe he could have used a less offensive word to describe what it looks like, but lets be honest: Most of us use that word to describe when something looks bad.

[Skips]

While I understand Jason is a respected figure in the community here, I don't understand why you guys bring up Crayola's attitude as unprofessional when Jason's seems pretty unprofessional from the initial email. At least, that's how it looks to me. I'm not trying to justify anything, but that seems off to me is all.

Maybe he could have used a less offensive word to describe what it looks like, but lets be honest: Most of us use that word to describe when something looks bad.

My boss sure as hell does

[gojira54]

It's a shit sticker anyway who gives one
Don't like the switch placement but hey it's not a crime against humanity
Your mod your rules =]

Good luck getting customers with that attitude.

Well I'll need luck as much customers friend
My mod my rules
=]



Inside looks like this tho

[bobrocks95]

They say if you speak Drakon's name aloud three times in the dark, when you turn the lights on a stick of hot glue will appear on the nearest table.

[Ed Oscuro]

Your mod your rules =]

But that's not what the thread was about - the modder wanted Jason to endorse him, warranty his work, and send customers his way, without respecting Jason's wishes on some details. Surely Jason has a right to attach some conditions to his endorsement.

Especially rules that should protect a customer's investment. Even if somebody or other thinks that worrying about stickers is silly, the things Jason mentioned didn't seem unreasonable or a huge hassle, but the modder wanted to fight over a couple extra minutes of work with the sticker, and not be patient when arguing the "item pictured" complaint. It should have been hilariously simple to come to an understanding, but Crayon went and called Jason a "fascist" for not endorsing things he doesn't like, adding a big problem on top of the two minor ones.

Jason even said that the modder can continue to do the work, after all.

Whatever happened to "the customer is always right?" Just speaking for myself, I am not at all happy when/if workmen do strange, dumb shit and pass it off as "the way it's done" when it's really just down to carelessness or ignorance. Paying for quality is no problem, and I don't think it's unreasonable to expect "surprises" are avoided. Still, maybe something good will come of this as the OP did ask for community impressions, hopefully for a critique and not to make Jason look bad.

[Voultar]

Blasting a conversation you had in confidence publicly was also a big no no..

Nonetheless, since you did ask for an opinion, I'll give you mine.

You have to understand that there's a fundamental difference between doing "freelance" work and providing services under an "endorsement".

Freelancing means you can do whatever the hell you want to, regardless of quality. If people buy it, they buy it. If they don't they simply don't.

Being endorsed for services rendered means that a proprietor is putting their confidence in you to provide services to your common customers. If your work is shit or grossly sub-par, that's partially a reflection upon the proprietor, and that's not good business. If I was referring you to customers of mine for mod-work that I didn't have time to do and stumbled across a recent picture like that. You bet I'd be vocal. That's my reputation, and regardless if this only serves the purpose of funding your beer allowance. I take the quality of my work, professionalism, reputation and the relationships I've fostered with people very seriously.


Calling Jason "a baby who shits his pants" and "a fascist" isn't the way to go.

I set the bar with every mod kit and modded console I sell, match my stuff against other ebayers or even other modders. If you did a cost vs quality I would annihilate everyone consistently.

Making non-sensical statements like that is a for sure way to get blasted by every half-competent modder on the internets.

[Ikaruga11]

It's a shit sticker anyway who gives one
Don't like the switch placement but hey it's not a crime against humanity
Your mod your rules =]

Good luck getting customers with that attitude.

Well I'll need luck as much customers friend
My mod my rules
=]

Inside looks like this tho

That's atrocious.

[bobrocks95]

Well I'll need luck as much customers friend
My mod my rules
=]

Inside looks like this tho

That's atrocious.

It's a photo from a Drakon install, so I assumed the poster was joking.

[game-tech.us]

I've super busy all day and hadn't had a chance to reply to crayola so i'll just do it here. First off I should apologize as I did actually misunderstand what he was saying about it being a personal console. I thought he meant he used a pic of his console to show off the mod work and it wasn't the one being sold, I didn't realize he meant he modded 'his' console how he wanted and decided to sell it. That's why I said false advertising...
However, instead of calmly explaining to me how I was mistaken I got what you see in the email pic.
I applaud him for the low prices though!

[Skips]

I've super busy all day and hadn't had a chance to reply to crayola so i'll just do it here. First off I should apologize as I did actually misunderstand what he was saying about it being a personal console. I thought he meant he used a pic of his console to show off the mod work and it wasn't the one being sold, I didn't realize he meant he modded 'his' console how he wanted and decided to sell it. That's why I said false advertising...
However, instead of calmly explaining to me how I was mistaken I got what you see in the email pic.
I applaud him for the low prices though!

Low quality work gets low prices. Its one reason china is so cheap.

[Ed Oscuro]

I've super busy all day and hadn't had a chance to reply to crayola so i'll just do it here.

Is the sticker something you'd hold back an endorsement for?

I can see the side that says that it is nitpicking, but as a user I would rather see the community come together to endorse (as opposed to enforce) higher standards on detail issues like that.

[Skips]

I've super busy all day and hadn't had a chance to reply to crayola so i'll just do it here.

Is the sticker something you'd hold back an endorsement for?

I can see the side that says that it is nitpicking, but as a user I would rather see the community come together to endorse (as opposed to enforce) higher standards on detail issues like that.

Its not the community's business that Jason is running. Who he endorses is a reflection upon his business. Modders and the community are still free to band together and do their thing as you see in the NESRGB thread however they do not run Jason's business, he does. It is for him to decide who he personally wants to give his stamp of approval on. When running a business like his quality control is of the utmost importance and kudos to him for not endorsing people on his business'es page that he does not feel can produce the level of quality he is looking for. How he runs his business is his business, not the community's.

[gojira54]

>But that's not what the thread was about - the modder wanted Jason to endorse him, warranty his work, and send customers his way, without respecting Jason's wishes on some details. Surely Jason has a right to attach some conditions to his endorsement.

You could interpret the original post that way true, I however interpreted it as 'is this confrontational email pulling my chain unnecessarily?'
I agree that constructive criticism is the best way forward, and the ability to take that criticism is important not just for the OP.
I posted here because the sanctimonious BS was pulling my chain...
Peace!

[Voultar]

I've super busy all day and hadn't had a chance to reply to crayola so i'll just do it here.

Is the sticker something you'd hold back an endorsement for?

I can see the side that says that it is nitpicking, but as a user I would rather see the community come together to endorse (as opposed to enforce) higher standards on detail issues like that.

It's that mentality that invited copious amount of hot-glue and other horrible practices to enter this arena.

Organically, the modding community began to "self-police" to keep such poor standards from evolving and taking over.

Constructive criticism is fantastic for the few who don't ill-receive it.

But under these circumstances, none of that matters. Jason's method of quality control isn't up for discussion. This thread shouldn't exist.

I really don't know why this is so difficult to understand..

[Ed Oscuro]

Well, it looks like Voultar agrees with me contra Skips - good practices should force out lazy and incompetent practices.

As for Jason's endorsements being Jason's thing - yes, wholeheartedly agree, and I wrote just that before. However I hope that it has a good effect in the community.

@ Voultar: I can see where you're coming from, so treat my use of the word "community" there as a mistake. I agree that Jason can do as he likes and I probably shouldn't have asked whether he would put his foot down on the sticker thing, as it's probably just going to stir up trouble. However it seemed like a good way to clarify this issue, not to undercut Jason's resolve - and in case you haven't guessed, this also can serve as a kind of community policing Though it's probably one I should have kept out of.

[Skips]

Well, it looks like Voultar agrees with me contra Skips - good practices should force out lazy and incompetent practices.

As for Jason's endorsements being Jason's thing - yes, wholeheartedly agree, and I wrote just that before. However I hope that it has a good effect in the community.

@ Voultar: I can see where you're coming from, so treat my use of the word "community" there as a mistake. I agree that Jason can do as he likes and I probably shouldn't have asked whether he would put his foot down on the sticker thing, as it's probably just going to stir up trouble. However it seemed like a good way to clarify this issue, not to undercut Jason's resolve - and in case you haven't guessed, this also can serve as a kind of community policing Though it's probably one I should have kept out of.

Honestly Voultar and I are talking on google talk trying to figure out wtf you mean by contra.