Anyone with a Ray force / Gunlock pcb please help.

[Ace]

I have a Gunlock board with a missing PAL could anyone with this board please look at the socketed chip near the edge connector shown here http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~luckins/pal.jpg and tell me what it says. Also I could do with the rating of the two capacitors on the rom board (one in each corner).

Cheers Ace.

PS: Sorry if this is in the wrong forum.

[dpful]

Hey,
My Rayforce is a different board than that, similar though. The only socketed chip on that area is near the edge of the board behind the heat sink.
It says
PAL 16L8BCN
33051M7 D
D49-12-1

My board also deosn't have the caps in the corners. Just a 220u 16v near the edge connector, and 4 1000u 16v in a clump by the heat sink.

One big sticker on the big ensoniq chip says "TAITO ESP REV 6"
The serial number of the board seems to be
K11J0775A
RAY FORCE

Hope this helps.
and Cheers, long time no see.

[Stefan_L]

My Rayforce does not either have the same PCB-layout as the Gunlock you showed.

This is how mine looks like:

[dpful]

That's the same as mine

[Ace]

Thanks guys hopefully the missing pal on mine is the same.

Ace.

[rtw]

Interesting with all these different hardware versions. This is what mine looks like:



rtw

[undamned]

rtw, did you happen to buy that from starpine? I've seen him selling one w/ that layout. The one I just sold was the single PCB ver. I wonder if Taito was running low on a certain PCB ver. and modified their code to run on the other type?
-ud

[rtw]

rtw, did you happen to buy that from starpine? I've seen him selling one w/ that layout. The one I just sold was the single PCB ver. I wonder if Taito was running low on a certain PCB ver. and modified their code to run on the other type?
-ud

No I bought it from a German gentleman. I suspect that this layout is close to what the F3 came to be. Basically the riser board is the cart.

rtw

[undamned]

Mmm, kinda. I'll detail it in my hw discussion on my Taito site (still need to upload my stuff to my friend's server...
-ud

[rtw]

Mmm, kinda. I'll detail it in my hw discussion on my Taito site (still need to upload my stuff to my friend's server...
-ud

Taito site sounds very interesting Let me know if you want higher quality pictures of this PCB.

rtw

[Ace]

I recently dug this out of storage where it has sat the last ten years (how time flys), unfortunately I am no closer to knowing the correct PAL. I tried the PAL dpful suggested above from another taito game but that made things worse. If anyone has the same board type as this one please could you let me know the markings on the missing PAL and also the two capacitor values on the rom board. This board is so close to being playable.

[rtw]

I recently dug this out of storage where it has sat the last ten years (how time flys), unfortunately I am no closer to knowing the correct PAL. I tried the PAL dpful suggested above from another taito game but that made things worse. If anyone has the same board type as this one please could you let me know the markings on the missing PAL and also the two capacitor values on the rom board. This board is so close to being playable.

Necrobump

What is the name of the IC location on the PCB ?

[Ace]

It's marked IC62 on the board.

[rtw]

It's marked IC62 on the board.

Can you tell me if you can find a PLD on the main board which is called IC22 (D66-26)... NOT the one on the ROM Board

[Ace]

ic22 on the main board is a pal16l8bcn with just 26 printed on it.

[rtw]

ic22 on the main board is a pal16l8bcn with just 26 printed on it.

OK, the reason for my questions is because a lot of PLDs have been dumped on Gunlock but sadly not yours

Go here and search for Gunlock:

http://www.jammarcade.net/pal-dumps/

I'll do a bit more digging.

[Ace]

Thanks, I appreciate it.

[caius]

Well, we have on JAMMArcade the following dumps from Gunlock (ROM board PCB revision)

-D66-26 @IC22 on motherboard
-D66-05 @IC22 on ROM board
-D66-09 @IC3 on motherboard

So, we miss the one @IC62 on motherboard and maybe others too.Anyway, I can contact the original dumper (who is a great austrian collector friend on mine) and ask about.Stay tuned.

[Ace]

Any news? just the markings might be enough as I might have the correct PAL on another Taito board or it might already be dumped.

[caius]

Any news? just the markings might be enough as I might have the correct PAL on another Taito board or it might already be dumped.

Yes but not good news.Today my friend redumped all the PALs from his Gunlock board and some of them are secured, IC62 on motherboard is one of them.Sadly he doesn't have any way to read protected PLDs and he can't send me the chips.

[Ace]

Any chance he can tell us the markings on IC62?

[caius]

PAL @IC62 is marked 'D68-07'
This is the complete PAL map:


D29-11.IC1
D29-12.IC2
D29-13.IC3
D29-14.IC69
D29-16.IC11
D29-17.IC31
D66-26.IC22
D68-05.IC22
D68-07.IC62
D69-12.IC70

[Ace]

Thanks caius, looks like Super Cup Finals *might* have it. Shame I only have regular Cup Finals.

[caius]

If marking is the same, most likely same is the contents.Are the ones on motherboard specific game by game, too?

[Ace]

I'm not sure exactly as my Cup Final board has the same D29 PALs as Gunlock but in different locations to Cup Final.

Edit:
Just found this picture of Super Cup Finals on google http://s882.photobucket.com/user/carity ... 6.jpg.html looks like D68-07 to me?

[nem]

I have a Gunlock here. I don't have any way to read the chips, however, I'm willing to send any socketed chips to someone who can.

[caius]

I'm not sure exactly as my Cup Final board has the same D29 PALs as Gunlock but in different locations to Cup Final.

Edit:
Just found this picture of Super Cup Finals on google http://s882.photobucket.com/user/carity ... 6.jpg.html looks like D68-07 to me?

Yes, it seems marked 'D68-07'.

[rtw]

I have a Gunlock here. I don't have any way to read the chips, however, I'm willing to send any socketed chips to someone who can.

I have a Gunlock here as well (it's just in storage so I need to find it), if you give me a few days I will try to dig it out and try to read the chip with my PAL reader

Note: might not happen this week, got too much happening in real life.

[caius]

OK, thanks.If you can, dump also the other secured PALs so we can a complete set for this board.

[rtw]

OK, thanks.If you can, dump also the other secured PALs so we can a complete set for this board.

How do I do that ?