Prelude to the Apocalypse

[Xyga]

http://youtu.be/ujhImZbroIg

[GaijinPunch]

LOL, you cannot be serious. I guess all it takes to sustain a first world economy is hordes of young people with little to no skills.

How could you live in Japan but not know that?

[GaijinPunch]

Japan doesn't need any incentives. They are doing very well as it is. I don't know what kind of economic catastrophe their low birth rate is supposed to lead to, but apparently it isn't happening yet. Meanwhile America has been letting millions of immigrants in for decades and they are doing worse than ever.

http://money.cnn.com/2015/07/23/news/ec ... -debt-imf/

tldr: highest debt to GDP ratio on the planet.

[Rob]

Oh don't lose too much sleep Rob, I'm sure all those airborne particles won't bother you too much by the time they've finished their seafaring,

I'm just glad I'm not a native having to subsist off of contaminated meat.

Trump is going to make the greatest nation on earth great again, if you don't like it, you can just git out.

I would loooove to see someone have a conversation with Trump about American history, just to see how much of a flaming ultra-patriot he is.

"When this country became great was the industrial revolution." - The Donald



We aren't going to need a Department of Education when we put kids back to work.

[quash]

Be sure to show that image to the next person who tells you you're privileged for being white.

[Mischief Maker]

So why do you think trickle-down economics isn't going to fail again under Trump? White power?

Pretty much, yes. It is not "systems" that matter, but the strength and confidence of the people. Nothing works if the human material isn't up to the task. And with Trump we are seeing a resurgence of the "human", precisely, after the complete and utter failure of the various scientistic and mechanistic visions for social governance and economic planning. Man is a man of action, he doesn't subscribe to any particular theory, that's why you can't pin him on any specific thing. He just wants to fix things as they come along, he doesn't care about whether something is "free market" or not or any nonsense like that.

And for the record, Trump isn't a "white" nationalist, but a nationalist proper. This is why a lot of minorities like him as well. The man is for "America", not whites specifically. But whites are for America too so it all works out.

[quash]

The religion of leftism has apparently deluded its followers into believing that they have all the answers for non-white people, so perhaps you should listen to those who aren't stepping in line this time around? They are, after all, one of your biggest voting demographics.

[Skykid]

Oh don't lose too much sleep Rob, I'm sure all those airborne particles won't bother you too much by the time they've finished their seafaring,

I'm just glad I'm not a native having to subsist off of contaminated meat.

Me too.

And immigration of the "open the floodgates" variety doesn't just lead to "problems", it leads to complete and total annihilation. I'm talking biblical stuff here. Fire and brimstone, cats and dogs living together, that kind of stuff.

I agree unfettered immigration is a lesson Europe learned the hard way (your endgame seems a little extreme) but Japan does need to open the gate wider to boost manpower in business and general trade. You may not think an ageing population is a problem, but it is.

To the contrary: both sides are at a point in the arms race where some of their most vital assets are now the most vulnerable. There has never been a better time for China or the US to start fighting in the region, as they are both (in theory) capable of quickly destroying high value vessels.

Dude, you're living in a paranoid fantasy. Where do you get your news from, out of interest?

[szycag]

I discovered who Milo Yiannopoulos is recently, that was pretty life-affirming. He's on a speaking tour as "The Dangerous Faggot". Trump merely adopted the darkness, this guy was born into it. It's refreshing to have a conservative flat out admit he loves black dick in his ass though. And domineering daddy types who say all the hateful shit they think everyone else thinks and just isn't saying because of the PC movement. He really would be an excellent supervillain. I do like being actually offended sometimes though, and seeing crazy people like that that fall into the cracks between the preset dogmas.

[quash]

Dude, you're living in a paranoid fantasy. Where do you get your news from, out of interest?

I guess you didn't pay attention earlier: this is literally my field of profession. I've been deployed to SCS three times in three years. I know more than the average expat shill on the internet.

To answer your question directly, I get my news from the same highly filtered sources the rest of the world does. The difference is that I know firsthand that most of the time, there is more to the story than you're being lead to believe.

[Skykid]

To answer your question directly, I get my news from the same highly filtered sources the rest of the world does. The difference is that I know firsthand that most of the time, there is more to the story than you're being lead to believe.

Anyone with half a brain should know that by now.

Yet I'm still skeptical of your impending war claims based on the current state of affairs. You've offered nothing tangible to suggest such an insane turn is on the cusp.

[BryanM]

These are the same people who think our military could teleport or travel back in time during the Benghazi incident. The ones who aren't able to understand that the people at the site evacuated many hours before anyone could arrive on scene, and any reinforcements sent in would have been put at great risk themselves for no gain. They have a child's understanding of the world, that somehow reality's like Dragon Ball Z.

You and I both know that a nuclear armed country, especially one with ICBMs, is untouchable. Even the biggest asshole in the world values his own life, so no leaders would expose themselves to such risk. Could you really see the entire congress sacrificing their lives for any reason? Those assholes?

But these guys don't grasp such basic fundamental concepts. They are ducks missing a wing and maybe a paddle or two.

Anyway, I was really curious about China's revival of thorium; wonder if they have that test reactor up yet...

[GaijinPunch]

To answer your question directly, I get my news from the same highly filtered sources the rest of the world does. The difference is that I know firsthand that most of the time, there is more to the story than you're being lead to believe.

Anyone with half a brain should know that by now.

Yet I'm still skeptical of your impending war claims based on the current state of affairs. You've offered nothing tangible to suggest such an insane turn is on the cusp.

#brainwashed

[quash]

To answer your question directly, I get my news from the same highly filtered sources the rest of the world does. The difference is that I know firsthand that most of the time, there is more to the story than you're being lead to believe.

Anyone with half a brain should know that by now.

Yet I'm still skeptical of your impending war claims based on the current state of affairs. You've offered nothing tangible to suggest such an insane turn is on the cusp.

China unveiled its latest anti-carrier missile last year, right as the US brought in a new carrier to the area.

In response to China's ever-increasing militarization of Woody island, the Philippines has taken a defensive posture and is even allowing the US to homeport ships there. The US recently tested China's patience around their artificial island's so-called territorial waters, no doubt as part of a larger plan to eventually do it again with slightly more antagonism.

These are just some of the many developments that have occurred in the past year. Some of the most important ones haven't even made it to the press yet.

This isn't an "insane turn", as you put it. Both sides have been steadily preparing for this since at least the early 00's. We are just now reaching a tipping point where addressing China's ambition to play the maritime police in the region is no longer something that can be put off. I don't think you quite understand the significance of embarking a JMSDF admiral on a US ship (particularly on a carrier), but that is pretty much the final signal to China that we are ready when they are.

Nuclear deterrence isn't what it used to be. Neither side is going to want to use nukes and it's not going to turn into a total war; at least, not overnight, it won't. Get this Cold War era notion of modern warfare out of your heads; we didn't even duke it out with Russia over Ukraine for fuck's sake. Something is going to happen in SCS soon, and it will be pretty much as I've described it.

[Skykid]

Something is going to happen in SCS soon, and it will be pretty much as I've described it.

You've collected readily available information and are assuming the most volatile possible outcome. These tit-for-tat one-upmanship routines have been part and parcel of global defense for as long as such a thing existed. The Chinese ploughing money into their defense budget and waving around warships and fighter jets is a display of military might in exactly the same way North Korea likes to show it's got some muscle by launching rockets into the sea, or the US heading off with drones and whatnot to butcher brown people living in poor countries.

That doesn't mean anyone wants a war, and certainly not over disputes regarding Philippine waters and a little island that Japan really wants. You realise the Philippines is broke as a joke and has little to nothing to offer Western allies? We're not fighting communism anymore. Taiwan is legitimately worth a million times more than the Philippines and its surrounding waters and nobody's got into a scrape over it yet.

Can you imagine the hell on earth that would be a war with China, Russia, North Korea, Pakistan and Africa versus the US, UK and Europe? And that's not taking into consideration the current global economic situation, which frankly can't afford World War III, or which side radical Islamic states would take in the event of such an occurrence.

Worth noting people have been making the exact same prediction as you for almost a decade, yet nothing has come to pass.

[ChurchOfSolipsism]

Japan needs more immigration. Unlike Europe, its immigration scale is too far in the opposite direction. There's no balance. At the moment they really need to consider incentivising foreigners to come and work in the country to make up the growing workforce gap created by people not wanting to fuck or have kids anymore. The old folks just can't cut it.

I heard stories of Japanese being extremely racist towards other Asian ethnicities working in Japan like the Koreans and the Chinese, although they're apparently more tolerant towards Westerners. Is that true?

The answer here is a bit more complex; there's still an undercurrent of Japanese exceptionalism in the way most Japanese think - in a rather neutral form (which the majority of Japanese take): you can't compare the Japanese as a people and as a culture to any other culture; we're proud of being Japanese; nobody who isn't Japanese themselves can really understand the Japanese) VS as a part of nationalist ideology (which is advocated by a minority, albeit a not insignificant one - see that militaristic asshole current prime minister Shinzo Abe and the Liberal Democratic Party): Japanese culture (and sometimes even physiology - some Japanese professor apparently once publicly stated that Japanese intestines are five metres longer than all the other peoples' intestines thus making it better at absorbing nutrients) is superior to any other on earth.
The word Gaijin (roughly "stranger") is applied to any foreigner; it doesn't even make any difference whether you're white or Asian, you're Gaijin (this doesn't mean that there aren't differences in the way Japanese see other cultures; being German, for example, makes people think positively about you (this is due to the shared history of our countries and similarities in mentality); black people are probably drug dealers and hustlers etc.). This also applies to Chinese and Koreans. I once read that two thirds of all Yakuza/ members of a Japanese gang are of Korean descent, which isn't surprising, considering the Japanese racism toward non-Japanese in the past.
I've met many wonderfully open minded, curious Japanese people in Japan and of course abroad, people who would never look down on you just because you're not Japanese. But I've also experienced many many instances of subtle racism, small stuff like people who are sitting next to me on the subway getting up and sitting somewhere else as soon as another seat becomes available. So yeah, racism... and stuff...

[quash]

That doesn't mean anyone wants a war, and certainly not over disputes regarding Philippine waters and a little island that Japan really wants. You realise the Philippines is broke as a joke and has little to nothing to offer Western allies? We're not fighting communism anymore. Taiwan is legitimately worth a million times more than the Philippines and its surrounding waters and nobody's got into a scrape over it yet.

You don't seem to be grasping that land isn't the issue, it's territorial waters. China very clearly wannts to be able to control as much maritime traffic in SCS as possible.

WW3 isn't going to be started over the Senkaku; there will be a conflict the moment China decides that another country's waters are theirs.

Can you imagine the hell on earth that would be a war with China, Russia, North Korea, Pakistan and Africa versus the US, UK and Europe? And that's not taking into consideration the current global economic situation, which frankly can't afford World War III, or which side radical Islamic states would take in the event of such an occurrence.

For good measure, let's say it one more time: it's not going to be WW3. Russia likely wouldn't get involved at first because they're still preoccupied with Ukraine and Syria. North Korea is a liability and China would likely tell them to not get involved.

The entire point of escalating things would be for China to be able to contol vital trade routes for the purpose of strengthening their economy, while the US' role would be to ensure that China wouldn't be able to encroach on other nation's waters. It is a mutual interest then to keep other parties as minimally involved as possible, since both sides want to see this end quickly.

Worth noting people have been making the exact same prediction as you for almost a decade, yet nothing has come to pass.

The difference is that now we are talking about a militarized artificial island that gives China a central hub in the area. They literally built Mother Base, and here you are acting like it's no big deal.

[Ed Oscuro]

Be sure to show that image to the next person who tells you you're privileged for being english and not irish or german or swede or polish or...

Has The Donald even figured out how to re-register his jumbo jet yet?

black people are probably drug dealers and hustlers etc.

It's been a while since we talked, but one of my college friends did run into some black guys over there that he thought were a bit scary. So, like most racial myths, that might not be a totally nonsensical belief to have. Though, of course, as with domestic US policy, prejudice isn't a basis for policy.

Hey look, it's Delta City!

Somehow I don't see Trump as the OCP Chairman...maybe as Jones. Or, given Trump's inability to find simple ways to do things when a desperate and baroque maneuver in the 13th hour serves, maybe he's the guy who doesn't know how to work the ED-209. Maybe he'll just sell the US to a holding company. American Greatness, LLC.

[Strikers1945guy]

This super tuesday has been fun. All hail next president overlord The Donald.

[Ed Oscuro]

Excuse me, it's his Cessna Citation that is flying again. Sorry for the lapse in attention - clearly I need to pay closer attention to these things than The Once And Future Donald does.

[BryanM]

Indictment before August or we all Trumpreich time.

This now the Hillary Clinton FBI Probe Thread. Please place any news, observations, conjecture, wild conspiracy theories, and other dumb shit that won't go anywhere because nobody gets held accountable for anything if they're tools of the wealthy. Aside from the random poor low level bastard who somehow rolls that 0.0000000000000000000000000001% snake-eyes.

[BryanM]

This now the Hillary Clinton FBI Probe Thread.

The REAL thread title is now:

Trump: A real American Hero Dude - Now with 15% More Hot FBI Probe Action

But there's a draconian and unjust maximum length limit. We truly do live in the end times.

[Ed Oscuro]

Au contraire, this is now the in defense of wise chiefs thread.

Trying to figure this one out. Since there are secret ballots, it's forbidden to state who you will vote for ahead of time?

[quash]

While we're on the subject of US military operations nobody is hearing about because the media is bought and paid for, Syria is now quickly looking like the next Iraq. I would bet a hefty sum that there will be even more by the end of the year. Any takers?

[Mischief Maker]

I've stepped into a time warp and find myself in 2002 France, faced with the choice between crooked Chirac and fascist Le Pen. Guess we're gonna need a few more of these:

[Xyga]

I've stepped into a time warp and find myself in 2002 France, faced with the choice between crooked Chirac and fascist Le Pen. Guess we're gonna need a few more of these:
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Lol I remember, but Chirac ended up a relatively decent president. This time (2017) it'll be much worse, we're up for a genuine shitstorm, all potential candidates smell like radioactive dead rats.
The right's speech and presence are almost completely overshadowed by the far-right's (typical scenario in many cuntries now) and Sarkozy left a bad taste anyway (the creep will be running again apparently, if so there will be no game we're definitely fucked).
Hollande's left currently in power are useless cunts we pretty much all hate and consider traitors, the rest of the left is a mess, and Le Pen clan's far-right have more or less become the same clown horror show gallery the Trump clan is, unfortunately they're quite popular and have their chances of winning.
In a way they inspire the same accelerationist feelings, because if they win I don't give the cuntry another year before literally everything starts falling apart, fast and hard. People talk about how scary Grexit and Brexit would be, but IMHO the 'downfall' of France could be the final blow to the EU, and the beginning of a new era of hardcore recession and expanding nationalism/fascism in all of Europe. The Scheißesturm would be too big even for Germany standing as the only strong pillar of the Union.
Other candidates would ultimately lead to that end too, but with a delay of another decade or so I think, I can't help but think it would be better to face that shit now rather than in ten years.

[Skykid]

WW3 isn't going to be started over the Senkaku; there will be a conflict the moment China decides that another country's waters are theirs.

You know that's not how it happens right? They don't suddenly turn up in waters and proclaim "this is ours now!". They practice exercises or position fleets in waters they consider their own that are suddenly called into question by whichever neighbouring country lays claim to them, hence "dispute." These things occur because there is no solid empirical proof of ownership.

Russia likely wouldn't get involved at first because they're still preoccupied with Ukraine and Syria.

There you are dead wrong. China and Russia have got each other's backs like no other.The slightest whimper of a confrontation and Putin will be there.

The entire point of escalating things would be for China to be able to contol vital trade routes for the purpose of strengthening their economy

I thought they were being used as military channels?

The difference is that now we are talking about a militarized artificial island that gives China a central hub in the area. They literally built Mother Base, and here you are acting like it's no big deal.

Are you talking about Daioyu/Senkaku, the primary need is oil reserves, not military positioning.

Also, as I said earlier, only a weeaboo or ignorant individual would consider Japan to have a rightful claim over them. They're historically Chinese. Japan's claim ended when they're imperialism ended and everything they had nicked went back to its rightful owner. They just don't want to give them up because oil.

[soprano1]

Also, as I said earlier, only a weeaboo or ignorant individual would consider Japan to have a rightful claim over them. They're historically Chinese. Japan's claim ended when they're imperialism ended and everything they had nicked went back to its rightful owner. They just don't want to give them up because oil.

They should solve that dispute using mahjong, like in Mudazumo Naki Kaikaku.

[quash]

You know that's not how it happens right? They don't suddenly turn up in waters and proclaim "this is ours now!". They practice exercises or position fleets in waters they consider their own that are suddenly called into question by whichever neighbouring country lays claim to them, hence "dispute." These things occur because there is no solid empirical proof of ownership.

Sure. The issue is that this can and will lead to claims that very clearly encroach on another nation's territorial waters. The empirical proof of ownership is proximity to a nation's land, 12nm to be exact. Spratly is already coming damn close to this.

There you are dead wrong. China and Russia have got each other's backs like no other.The slightest whimper of a confrontation and Putin will be there.

While I agree on principle that the alliance between China and Russia is strong, in this particular case it may not be in the best interest of either party for them to get too involved. Of course, this also depends heavily on whether or not Shillary will be able to instate a puppet regime in Syria. I don't think most appreciate just how close we will be to WW3 if she's eleected.

It's rumored that a China/Russia vs US/NATO conflict has been in the planning for quite some time now. Plans do change, however: the economic expansion of the former and the reluctance to go all in of the latter would likely prevent such a large scale conflict from occurring, at least for awhile.

I thought they were being used as military channels?

They are. The question that needs to be asked is to what end? For the purpose of self defense, or for the purpose of establishing economic hegemony in the region?

Are you talking about Daioyu/Senkaku, the primary need is oil reserves, not military positioning.

The Senkaku dispute is a red herring if there ever was one. Japan could completely give up that fight tomorrow and virtually nothing else would change.

I'm talking about Woody, dude. It was the very first thing I linked on this subject. It gives them a central hub to control maritime and air traffic in the region.

[ED-057]

The REAL thread title is now:

How Shmups Farm Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Trump

FTFY.

At this point, do we not deserve to get Trumped?