XRGB-mini Framemeister

[blizzz]

I'd either ask the guy from retrogamingcables.co.uk if he can make a JP21 version for you or open a thread in the trading station of this forum. I'd guess there are quite a few people who replaced the JP21 adapter with a SCART one and have no use for the original adapter.

[RagingAvatar]

I'd either ask the guy from retrogamingcables.co.uk if he can make a JP21 version for you or open a thread in the trading station of this forum. I'd guess there are quite a few people who replaced the JP21 adapter with a SCART one and have no use for the original adapter.

Good suggestion - thanks.

[Aatos]

Still looking ro answers / solution to this pickle. What I've found so far is:

- RGB with composite video sync from PS2 via scart commander and LOW CROSSTALK SCART TO SCART UNIDIRECTIONAL scart cable to Framemeister makes it lose sync and picture whenever there's excessive white stuff on screen
- RGB with composite video sync from PS2 directly to Framemeister works fine
- RGB with luma/possibly csync from N64 via scart commander and LOW CROSSTALK SCART TO SCART UNIDIRECTIONAL scart cable to Framemeister works fine (!)
- this discussion has quote from Keene saying "The Commander looks for the composite sync.
If it isn't composite sync then the Commander won't recognize it."

Questions:
- what are you guys using to connect Scart commander to Framemeister?
- what are you guys feeding scart commander, only csync?

Based on this evidence it seems clear that the issue is spesifically feeding wrong type of sync to scart commander, not in the connecting cable.. on the other hand sync other than csync clearly at least works as there's picture (until it gets really white). Of course I could now wait for the csync ps2 cable to arrive before doing anything else but I'd really like to understand what actually happens here.. TheShadowRunner also mentioned something about scart commander amplifying the signal and suggested the issue being "the lines not being properly 75ohm terminated", still would like to understand what this means and how to remedy it. (Anything I should read etc. ?)

Update to this:

I finally got the csync PS1/PS2 cable from retrogaming cables and it seems that solved all my problems - the sync is no longer lost on white screen and picture seems altogether more stable than before (no losing sync on changing modes etc. either)! Excellent!

So, to record this for anyone who might have the same issue in the future, my conclusion is: if you're using Keene Scart Commander, you 're best off feeding it csync, otherwise it might somehow screw up the sync in the signal when feeding it back to Framemeister (especially if it sync is originally component video). This conclusion is also supported by the official feedback someone had received from Keene in another thread (see the quote above).

Still, big big thanks to TheShadowRunner, noonan2678 and everyone else who helped and steered me into right direction!

[ajdesmarais]

Quick question guys, this one's got me stumped...

I've got an NES that I installed the NESRGB board in, and installed an AV multi-out. It works with the same SCART cable that I use with my SNES, I just swap 'em back and forth...

My NES works fine on my CRT, but for some reason when I go through the XRGB-mini, I get audio, but no video. Any ideas?

Both systems work just fine on my CRT using the same SCART cable, and my SNES works fine on the Framemeister, but not the NES. What did I miss?

[RagingAvatar]

My RGB21 - Mini-Din adapter that came with my Framemeister appears to have broken
Anyone have any suggestions as to where I could get another?

Sorted. Posting for reference: I managed to sort some from Solaris Japan.

[Everblue]

Anyone uses Framemeister with a 1080p monitor? Any advantages/disadvantages over a normal tv?

[Thomago]

Anyone uses Framemeister with a 1080p monitor? Any advantages/disadvantages over a normal tv?

Advantages:
- faster than most TVs
- supports "uncommon" DVI modes (e.g. 1280x960, which is perfect for NTSC stuff)

Disadvantages:
- ?

[Everblue]

Anyone uses Framemeister with a 1080p monitor? Any advantages/disadvantages over a normal tv?

Disadvantages:

No 50hz support?

Anyone got this one?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/BenQ-GL2450HT-- ... itor+pivot

[Thomago]

No 50hz support?t

Actually every LCD monitor I've ever owned had flawless (as in: no framerate conversion or the like) 50 Hz support. Nevertheless it might be a good idea to check for 50 Hz compatibility beforehand.

[Everblue]

No 50hz support?t

Actually every LCD monitor I've ever owned had flawless (as in: no framerate conversion or the like) 50 Hz support. Nevertheless it might be a good idea to check for 50 Hz compatibility beforehand.

Hmmm anything in particular that can be bought right now?

Edit: I found this, looks awesome and supports 50hz to 76hz. Only minus is that it doesn't have a pivot stand.

http://www.benq.com/product/monitor/rl2755hm/

[Thomago]

"Console Gaming Monitor"

Uh, that doesn't sound all too promising. Usually I would take for granted that a monitor accepts resolutions like 1280x960 via HDMI, but with a monitor marketed like that...
Also I'd imagine that the gimmicky extra features come at a hefty premium costwise.

[Galgomite]

Anyone uses Framemeister with a 1080p monitor? Any advantages/disadvantages over a normal tv?

Like the other person said, you can get virtually zero lag on an LCD monitor. You lose out on size though. If you would prefer a larger screen you might want to look into Vizio's D series 4K TVs, apparently the Bodner tester scores them at 13ms.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/d-series-4k-2016

[Everblue]

Anyone uses Framemeister with a 1080p monitor? Any advantages/disadvantages over a normal tv?

Like the other person said, you can get virtually zero lag on an LCD monitor. You lose out on size though. If you would prefer a larger screen you might want to look into Vizio's D series 4K TVs, apparently the Bodner tester scores them at 13ms.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/vizio/d-series-4k-2016

Well I don't need anything bigger than 27" to be honest - thanks for the link!

[Xyga]

Edit: I found this, looks awesome and supports 50hz to 76hz. Only minus is that it doesn't have a pivot stand.

http://www.benq.com/product/monitor/rl2755hm/

It's got a TN panel = shit
Again you want something with an IPS or VA panel.

Everything BenQ advertise here is bullshit made up to attract people wo know nothing about lcd monitors.
Probably to sell some slow-moving stock.
They have way better models.

Check here http://pcmonitors.info/recommendations/
To make sure about good 50Hz compatibility check the specs of course, but I recommend visiting the discussion forum, don't hesitate to ask the guy running the website (user PCM2 a.k.a Adam iirc) any question.

[nintenthe3rd]

Hey I just got a new TV, but the TV isn't recognizing the framemeister no matter what I do.
Solutions?

The TV is a TCL 40FS3800.

[Everblue]

Edit: I found this, looks awesome and supports 50hz to 76hz. Only minus is that it doesn't have a pivot stand.

http://www.benq.com/product/monitor/rl2755hm/

It's got a TN panel = shit
Again you want something with an IPS or VA panel.

Everything BenQ advertise here is bullshit made up to attract people wo know nothing about lcd monitors.
Probably to sell some slow-moving stock.
They have way better models.

Check here http://pcmonitors.info/recommendations/
To make sure about good 50Hz compatibility check the specs of course, but I recommend visiting the discussion forum, don't hesitate to ask the guy running the website (user PCM2 a.k.a Adam iirc) any question.

Thanks for that list, unfortunately there are only 2 native 1080p panels there, a Benq and HP 27xw. I guess I will go for the latter (which probably doesn't do 50hz), but is there any way to know this thing will work without issues for NTSC stuff with a Framemeister (for example the Neo Geo is not exactly 60hz).

[Xyga]

Edit: I found this, looks awesome and supports 50hz to 76hz. Only minus is that it doesn't have a pivot stand.

http://www.benq.com/product/monitor/rl2755hm/

It's got a TN panel = shit
Again you want something with an IPS or VA panel.

Everything BenQ advertise here is bullshit made up to attract people wo know nothing about lcd monitors.
Probably to sell some slow-moving stock.
They have way better models.

Check here http://pcmonitors.info/recommendations/
To make sure about good 50Hz compatibility check the specs of course, but I recommend visiting the discussion forum, don't hesitate to ask the guy running the website (user PCM2 a.k.a Adam iirc) any question.

Thanks for that list, unfortunately there are only 2 native 1080p panels there, a Benq and HP 27xw. I guess I will go for the latter (which probably doesn't do 50hz), but is there any way to know this thing will work without issues for NTSC stuff with a Framemeister (for example the Neo Geo is not exactly 60hz).

Dude do your research you can browse the website and use their forums.

PCM2 updates the list regularly but he has tested many 1080p, check the reviews archive or ask him about the current models on the forums.

Last I knew the BenQ EW2750ZL was the best performing 1080p VA, and the HP 27xw the best performing 1080p IPS (semi-glossy), however both aren't especially convenient for rotating.
Older but with rotating stand were the Iiyama XB2783HSU-B1 (VA) and Benq BL2700HT (VA), then in the IPS category you'll almost always have to buy a rotating stand separately, so since you'll have to do that you could go for the HP models directly with VESA adapter, or get something like an LG 27MP67VQ-P which can be VESA-mounted directly (though there's also the 27MB67PY-B with provided rotating stand but more expensive)
Dell also have a number of good IPS including a 27 glossy one that can rotate, don't remember the model number...

Anyway here's another place you can visit although at the moment only listing IPS in the 1080 category http://wecravegamestoo.com/forums/monit ... ost1359163

You have to read the reviews, specs, and talk to these knowledgeable people. That is if you want to know what you're buying, otherwise just read amazon or newegg advice and buy the same crap clueless people do.

Sorry I won't tell more, this is already more that I wanted to write actually because I don't like giving monitor advice since usually people don't take it and after I write pages tech stuff and recommendation, they usually go buy the first shit monitor with the word 'gaming' on it.

[Thomago]

I myself own the iiyama XB2783HSU-B1. It's a really nice display, but not without flaws:

General flaws:
- wrong, non-customizable aspect ratio for Mode-13 DOS games via VGA
- slow, smeary grey-to-grey transitions

My particular panel's flaws (might not generally occur):
- backlight bleeding on the lower left corner
- a dirt particle stuck between the backlight and the panel that makes it look as if the panel had a minor pixel error
- the rotating stand's VESA mount is slightly askew

[Chocograph]

I use the Benq XL2411Z without issues as far as I can tell. No lag. No framemeister problems.

[Everblue]

I use the Benq XL2411Z without issues as far as I can tell. No lag. No framemeister problems.

At what frequency do you use the Framemeister at on this one? 60hz? 144?

[Everblue]

@xyga

Thanks a lot for your recommendations - I appreciate your patience. Rest assured I am not going to buy a crappy monitor because it says "gaming" on it - in fact most probably I'll get the HPXW. I have checked the forums and links you gave me and the reviews are nothing but impressive. Now I have to try and find someone who actually tested it with the Framemeister.

[Xyga]

^ you're welcome it's not against you, just that I've learned that it's pointless in general. ^^

BTW the chances you'll find someone with an experience of the FM on that particular monitor are probably close to zero.
It will work perfectly at 1080p60 and probably very well at 720p60 as well anyway, so since you only need to know about 50Hz modes you have no choice besides reading the manual and specs sheet.
And maybe ask PCM2 and NCX's advice too, I don't remember they test 50Hz but who knows ?
I know they try 72~76Hz at least.

[Everblue]

^ you're welcome it's not against you, just that I've learned that it's pointless in general. ^^

BTW the chances you'll find someone with an experience of the FM on that particular monitor are probably close to zero.
It will work perfectly at 1080p60 and probably very well at 720p60 as well anyway, so since you only need to know about 50Hz modes you have no choice besides reading the manual and specs sheet.
And maybe ask PCM2 and NCX's advice too, I don't remember they test 50Hz but who knows ?
I know they try 72~76Hz at least.

Hopefully it is ok to ask you this... but when you have a console which is not "spot on" 60hz, like the Neo Geo (and I believe the Saturn), does the Framemeister still output exactly at 60hz? Or it will pass exactly the same frequency to the TV/monitor? I am asking because if the display is particularly picky, then there could be problems.

[Xyga]

Modern displays still retain a certain tolerance, I think around 57~61Hz they're okay and should display fluidly at least with the most common sources.
Maybe some are more picky say 59~61, dunno. I doubt any monitor or tv out there would be unable to display the Mini proprely, but if that already happened to someone I haven't noticed, sorry.

Anyway I doubt the FM just passes the refresh or is lacking proper output adjustment settings... someone is sure to tell you about that very soon. ^^

[Everblue]

Some good news - downloaded the 37XW user manual and this monitor supports 50 to 60hz
I think I made my choice!

[Xyga]

But if you want to rotate it you will need an HP VESA mount adapter bracket + a generic VESA pivotable stand, that's additional cost...
Some people are turned off by that, but personally I would still go for it.
The Dell S2715H is similar thought a bit less responsive, and its coating is completely glossy/tansparent, but IIRC it comes with an included rotating stand.

Anyway good luck with your purchase, be careful of 'backlight bleed' and don't hesitate to return it if there's any that's too visible and obnoxious (on really dark screens if you see white~ish 'stains' coming from the edges)

[Everblue]

But if you want to rotate it you will need an HP VESA mount adapter bracket + a generic VESA pivotable stand, that's additional cost...
Some people are turned off by that, but personally I would still go for it.
The Dell S2715H is similar thought a bit less responsive, and its coating is completely glossy/tansparent, but IIRC it comes with an included rotating stand.

Anyway good luck with your purchase, be careful of 'backlight bleed' and don't hesitate to return it if there's any that's too visible and obnoxious (on really dark screens if you see white~ish 'stains' coming from the edges)

You caught me a bit off guard here, so I thought I'd give it a look. Yes you can rotate this monitor but:

1. It is not a pivot thing, you have to detach the screen from the stand. Not practical if all you want to do is occasionally play Ikaruga
2. It is SOOOO reflective, would drive me nuts
3. Costs more
4. Only 1 HDMI (although the Framemeister does give 2 HDMI passthroughs)
5. Less responsive

Guess more reason to stick to the HPXW

[Xyga]

Oh yeah mixed up features with another Dell, their monitors all have similar style and naming. ^^
Anyway yeah it's 100% glossy but keep in mind the HP is also quite reflective. Glossy or semi-glossy coatings are the best for picture quality whatever the case.
Since one of the strenghts of the FM is clarity you will get the most clean, sharp and vibrant results using one of those.

Let us know how you like it when you can, I might get a 27xw for a little experiment in a few months from now if it's still available.

[LDigital]

Does anyone who uses a jamma setup have any arcade settings to share via their supergun or vga settings?

[FBX]

I got a request from friends to make a Genesis 'universal' profile that shows a small amount of overscan in order to display both 320 and 256 resolution modes without cutting active graphics off on the sides. I went ahead and designed 4x and 5x versions that do exactly that, and they are set to a 4:3 aspect ratio using Artemio's linearity test pattern.

Also to avoid the hassle of waiting for my web site provider to overwrite links, I switched to a date system for the download package:

http://www.firebrandx.com/downloads/fra ... 8-2016.zip


The new profiles are "GEN4XUNI" and "GEN5XUNI" respectively. The advantage of these profiles is that they can handle games that randomly mode-switch from either 320 or 256 mode. The downside is the slightly visible overscan on the sides of the active graphics.