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Iran War. When.

2021
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2022-2025
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2026-2030
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BryanM wrote:
who would you all be voting for come November?
The guy who wants to turn us into Super Canada or nobody.
Don't you dare abstain if Bernie loses the nomination, motherfucker, Supreme Court seats are up for grabs!

Not a fan of the Citizen's United or the Hobby Lobby decisions? Trump said his favorite justice was Clarence Thomas.

Never forget that the lesser of two evils is less evil!
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BryanM wrote:Super Canada
That won't happen without another Civil War lol. Here's in the eyes of a foreigner what the average US citizen gives the impression to feel about the 'Canadian way';
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Xyga wrote:
BryanM wrote:Super Canada
That won't happen without another Civil War lol. Here's in the eyes of a foreigner what the average US citizen gives the impression to feel about the 'Canadian way';
You know, honestly our congress and the media don't reflect real america. If they did, Bernie would be polling at 10% right now instead of 2 points behind Clinton with months until most states vote.

If you look at opinion polling, Sander's proposals are overwhelmingly popular in isolation. If those people did vote, we'd accomplish all of them in less than a decade.

A very big if, however.
Don't you dare abstain if Bernie loses the nomination, motherfucker, Supreme Court seats are up for grabs!
eh, I can't vote for fear. always something to be afraid of. republicans, democrats, isis, crazy neighbor with too many guns, russia, iran, north korea, anthrax, nukes. whatever it is, don't stop being afraid.

neoliberals never had my vote to begin with. if they want to bring back slavery and turn this place into a slaughter house, so be it. if they just care more, that's democracy.

(if it eases your soul any, I reside in the great state of oklahoma currently. my right to vote outside the primary is made of toilet paper)
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BryanM wrote:eh, I can't vote for fear. always something to be afraid of. republicans, democrats, isis, crazy neighbor with too many guns, russia, iran, north korea, anthrax, nukes. whatever it is, don't stop being afraid.

neoliberals never had my vote to begin with. if they want to bring back slavery and turn this place into a slaughter house, so be it. if they just care more, that's democracy.

(if it eases your soul any, I reside in the great state of oklahoma currently. my right to vote outside the primary is made of toilet paper)
I am reminded of a quote by Winston Churchill regarding possibly making a temporary, icky alliance with bad man Joseph Stalin during WWII:
If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.
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eh, but Winston Churchill was a monster

and Clinton is far worse than he is
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Oh yeah? CANADA FOR PRESIDENT
BryanM wrote:and Clinton is far worse than he is
I've wrestled with this before, but I've come to the conclusion that I would rather see Trump president than her. After an entire year of thought, become very committed to it.

Maybe it would have been a coin flip before all this started, but her campaign has completely and utterly convinced me that she must never ever ever win.
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BryanM wrote:I've wrestled with this before, but I've come to the conclusion that I would rather see Trump president than her. After an entire year of thought, become very committed to it.

Maybe it would have been a coin flip before all this started, but her campaign has completely and utterly convinced me that she must never ever ever win.
I've also wrestled with this, but I think I'd do the same. She might not hate the gays but hot damn is she basically the worst.
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BryanM wrote:I've wrestled with this before, but I've come to the conclusion that I would rather see Trump president than her.
I've got plenty of qualms about Hillary, but off the cuff I'm having trouble thinking of a policy area where she would do worse than Trump has promised to...perhaps I'm missing something major?
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BryanM wrote:I've wrestled with this before, but I've come to the conclusion that I would rather see Trump president than her. After an entire year of thought, become very committed to it.

Maybe it would have been a coin flip before all this started, but her campaign has completely and utterly convinced me that she must never ever ever win.
I've also wrestled with this, but I think I'd do the same. She might not hate the gays but hot damn is she basically the worst.
In the 2000 election, Al Gore had an image problem. People thought he came across as stiff and boring. Image consultants were hired, among which if you'll recall was a woman whose job was to teach him how to act like more of an "Alpha Male." It certainly had an effect, he came across as less of a stiff and more of an asshole. Meanwhile, his opponent George Bush jr. was marketed as "the candidate you'd rather drink a beer and watch football with" and when Gore said in debates that the numbers in Bush's promises didn't add up, Bush replied, "Ahh! You're just using fuzzy math!"

Several years later, retired-from-politics Al Gore came out with his documentary/seminar program called "An Inconvenient Truth." People came away from this talking about two things. First was climate change. But second was, "Where was this Al Gore during the 2000 election?" When talking about this issue, Gore did not come across as a stiff, he came across as downright presidential.

Why? Simple. He was outside the political machine and finally allowed to speak his mind. I'm sure during the 2000 election he wanted to speak his mind and talk about Climate Change, but he was surrounded by a gaggle of campaign managers and political consultants telling him, "No, no, no! Climate Change isn't polling as a top issue right now. Just stick to our script and you can deal with what you actually care about once you're in the Oval office!" He came across as a stiff because he was reading from a script and unlike the God Emperor Ronald Regan, he wasn't trained as an actor.

I remember the last time Hillary Clinton spoke her true mind. It was during an interview where she said, "I suppose I could have stayed home and baked cookies and had tea, but what I decided to do was pursue my profession." In this age of Gamergate outrage exhibitionism, it's easy to forget that once upon a time feminism was about women gaining equal access to the workplace and that in 1992, Hillary Clinton's comments generated a media firestorm of controversy. Cookiegate. How dare she disparage stay-at-home mothers?!! Well the campaign staffers descended on her and a week later she was taking part in a publicized cookie-baking competition. I really don't see her as any more of a phony than Bill, she just lacks his acting chops.

Meanwhile, back in 2000, a young me decided that Gore was a big phony and cast my vote for Ralph Nader (equivalent to abstaining.) Thankfully my state went blue anyway, but eight years and thousands of flag-draped coffins later, I stopped judging politicians on personality and started voting strategically. Because what you're seeing on the podium isn't an individual, it's a horse by committee. A bad president can be removed after four years but a bad supreme court justice (or three) are there for life.

(It's also worth mentioning that Nader has blasted Sanders for making the politically expedient choice of running as a Democrat and saying he'll back Hillary if she wins the nomination. Instead of running the same campaign strategy Nader tried and failed with -twice! Sanders and Trump are NOT two sides of the same coin, Sanders is an experienced politician who understands the value of political expediency and that's why he's doing so well!)
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Charles Dance for President! Man, fuckin' W3C killed my flashing text tags.

Also, this this this
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And this
You know, that one little girl - the one he tried to kiss - has a good sense of Stranger Danger. Wait, she's his daughter..?

Onto Trump v. Hilary.

Hilary might be unlikeable - I don't think she'd become a well-loved figure like Al Gore if she stepped out of politics. I still like her and respect her. Even if I didn't, she doesn't stand for the things Cruz does - or for Trump's promise to "bring back a hell of a lot worse" things than waterboarding. To me, that's a bit more important than the popularity game. We've had lots of crazy Presidents, and lots of kind ones - and that doesn't mean much when it comes to predicting how well they will do in office. It'd be nice to have Abe Lincoln for President but until then we're probably stuck with "crazy, but effective" or "nice, but totally ineffective."
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Larry David's so good he can even make Saturday Night Live funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn4tP7ogWIA
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I really don't understand how someone could possibly say they'd rather have Trump (or any R for that matter) in if Hillary gets the nomination.

Like....do you want all the horrible shit the current GOP has been trying to get through for the last 6 years to actually happen without someone in the Dem chair in the White House? Cause that's what'll happen, not to mention the very real possibility of multiple Supreme Court appointees during their tenure.

Sorry, but I'd much rather have Hillary cause at the very least she's not likely to backroll any of the progress of the last 8 years, which I guarantee would happen with any R in office.

I'm currently for Sanders myself, but frankly any Democrat is miles ahead of the GOP at this point.
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drunkninja24 wrote: I'm currently for Sanders myself, but frankly any Democrat is miles ahead of the GOP at this point.
Indeed. Although I hope people figure out how lame the current congress has been and we can take out the fucking trash.
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GaijinPunch wrote:
drunkninja24 wrote: I'm currently for Sanders myself, but frankly any Democrat is miles ahead of the GOP at this point.
Indeed. Although I hope people figure out how lame the current congress has been and we can take out the fucking trash.
Yeah that would be nice too. I've been itching to out an idiotic incumbent senator in my state for years, maybe people will finally get a clue. We'll see.
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drunkninja24 wrote:I really don't understand how someone could possibly say they'd rather have Trump (or any R for that matter) in if Hillary gets the nomination.
I suppose seeing the Iraq war as the moral equivalent of dropping two nuclear bombs on Los Angeles doesn't have me overly enthused about the next disaster war she wants to drop on us (Iran+Syria). Nor am I enthusiastic about the next economic crash happening under a democrat so everyone can go "see see liberalism doesn't work" and then we end up electing Literal Hitler instead of Soft Hitler. The primary difference between her and a Jeb Bush is he'll repeal Obamacare, put huge dickbags on the supreme court, cut the safety net, and make his giveaways to billionaires completely transparent instead of opaque.

Trump, the only thing I know for sure is he'll use the position to primarily enrich himself. But would he be more "liberal" than Clinton? Roll a fucking die. As I've said many times before, if it's Hillary vs Trump and he runs on Single Payer, he'll win the election and we'll be powerless to stop the bronze god.

Trump is very much the fraud president we deserve. Nobody deserves Hillary.

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He came across as a stiff because he was reading from a script and unlike the God Emperor Ronald Regan, he wasn't trained as an actor.
You'd think they'd have learned something after John Kerry. Her current flailing, where she tries every dirty trick every which way, makes her look like a completely insane person in the age of the internet.

If you're trying to sell a similar dog turd as your opponent is, and you're trying to sell it in nice wrapping paper... maybe they should make the wrapping paper actually look nice.
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BryanM wrote:I suppose seeing the Iraq war as the moral equivalent of dropping two nuclear bombs on Los Angeles doesn't have me overly enthused about the next disaster war she wants to drop on us (Iran+Syria).
Going by Trump's rhetoric up to this point, I find it hard to believe that he'd be any less belligerent than Hillary, to say the very least...and if you want to bring up the Iraq war thing, hasn't Trump continually insisted that he was vocally opposed to it in real time, and that there are loads of articles and whatnot that prove it, even though nobody's been able to find a single one? Hil screwed up royally by supporting it, but at least she's admitted it.
Nor am I enthusiastic about the next economic crash happening under a democrat so everyone can go "see see liberalism doesn't work" and then we end up electing Literal Hitler instead of Soft Hitler.
You're going to hear that kind of trash no matter what the circumstances; the conservative leadership still refuses to concede that either Bush's economic policies or the excesses of Wall Street in particular had anything whatsoever to do with the Recession (totally the Fed's fault for not lowering interest rates enough...of course, that still hasn't stopped us from screeching that it's "debasing the dollar" when they've done it in more recent years). And feel free to try to bring up how Reagan's high-end tax cuts gutted the Social Security trust fund and created the Big Bad Deficit as we know it. The real problem continues to be the fact that most liberals, much to their discredit once again, have utterly refused to push back.
As I've said many times before, if it's Hillary vs Trump and he runs on Single Payer, he'll win the election and we'll be powerless to stop the bronze god.
You and I both know that nothing remotely like this will ever happen, especially when the latter is proposing ten times the tax cuts for the rich that W did, and only says he'll pay for it by eliminating "waste" - and for conservatives, guess what's first on that list?
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BulletMagnet wrote:You and I both know that nothing remotely like this will ever happen
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The etch-a-sketch is gonna make your head spin.
but at least she's admitted it.
hahahahaha

oh... good one.
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Hillary's about as slithery of a snake as is possible. Trump's a wild card, I have a 75% feeling he's doing a show. Hillary we know is going to only continue to expand our horrific foreign policy, line Wall Street's pockets, and lower accountability.
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i've been feeling the bern lately now that he finally got some memes too
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GaijinPunch wrote:Where do the majority of them hail from? More specifically, where do the high level managers and execs (EG, the decision makers) hail from?
Not Silicon Valley, but parts of the US where public schools aren't a complete joke.

I don't have a problem with foreign workers coming to the US, but the doublespeak surrounding the complete and utter dominance of Chinese and Indian visa workers is sickening. Just fucking admit that you're too cheap to hire qualified Americans and be done with it.
Congrats: you've just described every urban area of the United States - I can name at least one that I've lived in notably worse than Silicon Valley but I'd assume more than half fit the bill.
It's hard to get much worse than Silicon Valley in this regard lol. It's become such a financial tar pit that people become too poor to ever leave and just take up camp in one of the various homeless communities.
When has moving to cheaper areas never been a trend? Silicon Valley specifically has been shipping programmers to farms in places like Austin for upwards of a decade.
What has this done to adversely affect Silicon Valley's dominance in this arena? Even Silicon Valley needs more than just programmers. The social media bubble is showing signs of leakage and the fallout is going to be much worse now that the local economy runs on clicking sponsored content instead of, you know, actually designing things that matter.
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BryanM wrote:I've wrestled with this before, but I've come to the conclusion that I would rather see Trump president than her. After an entire year of thought, become very committed to it.

Maybe it would have been a coin flip before all this started, but her campaign has completely and utterly convinced me that she must never ever ever win.
trap15 wrote:I've also wrestled with this, but I think I'd do the same. She might not hate the gays but hot damn is she basically the worst.
Glad to see others coming around. Buckle up, we're in for a hell of a year.
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@BryanM
RE: Hillary's Hawkishness

So you're instead going to throw your support behind the candidate whose campaign ads show footage of military action in the middle east with the promise to take ISIS's oil?

I'm all for honesty, but a politician who promises to trade blood for oil is not the next best choice after Bernie!

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http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/b ... nce-abroad
http://www.mintpressnews.com/bernie-san ... ce/208066/
http://theantimedia.org/lord-of-the-rin ... y-clinton/

These are just the three that caught my eye on the first page of search results. Your own team is calling foul.

If anything, 2016 will probably be looked back on as the year that sowed the seeds for a four party system.
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It's hard to get much worse than Silicon Valley in this regard lol. It's become such a financial tar pit that people become too poor to ever leave and just take up camp in one of the various homeless communities.
You can throw a rock and get worse. LA, Chicago, New York, Atlanta, Dallas, Miami... etc...
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The difference is that none of those areas have had their cost of living exponentially increase to the point of being far and away the most expensive area in the nation to live in. SV still has the public infrastructure of the pre-90's era in most areas. The only exceptions are often times funded by local taxpayers/donors, which are still limited by the shitty standards imposed by the state, anyways.

Detroit, Chicago, etc. are surely worse in terms of infrastructure, but they also don't overvalue the ever-loving shit out of their property, drive up the cost of food, fuel, etc. You can be poor and feasibly work your way out of those types of places. In SV? Good luck.
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quash wrote:The difference is that none of those areas have had their cost of living exponentially increase to the point of being far and away the most expensive area in the nation to live in. SV still has the public infrastructure of the pre-90's era in most areas. The only exceptions are often times funded by local taxpayers/donors, which are still limited by the shitty standards imposed by the state, anyways.
Every US city at one time or another has or will expand beyond it's capacity, get expensive, and force the poor people to move. Austin is like 3x what it was 15 years ago. You think it was built to handle that type of growth? All I hear are my friends moaning about it. Denver is another that is now "crazy expensive", with many businesses that were once staples of the landscape forced to shut. Those two have likely do not had the average salaries adjusted as well as the valley has. The only unaffordable part of the area is San Fran proper. The surrounding areas, save a few ritzy parts, are only expensive - not ludicrous.
Detroit, Chicago, etc. are surely worse in terms of infrastructure, but they also don't overvalue the ever-loving shit out of their property, drive up the cost of food, fuel, etc. You can be poor and feasibly work your way out of those types of places. In SV? Good luck.
That's a simple bubble. Hawaii 10 years ago was worse. 2 million bucks for a pile of shit. I rented... and even that was shit value. There are still people living in the valley that don't have huge paying jobs. They're everywhere, actually.
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Your google results aren't impressive considering those three are copy-pastes of the same article with the wording slightly altered.

Oh dear, did I just out myself as a frothing misogynist by bringing up ethics in online journalism?!
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Do I really need to explain the difference between voting "yea" to Afghanistan and "nay" to Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo?
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The big establishment hope, Rubio, going down in flames is delightful. They're screwed.

While the Trumpmonster keeps saying both sides of every issue out of his mouth so you can project what you want to hear on him. That's one really good politician, there.
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My support for Trump will consist of passive aggressive posts on the internet and sitting at home hoping a meteorite hits the continent and puts us all out of our misery.
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