So give us some facts then. Why can the PS2 not do Ikaruga or Bangaioh?Zweihander wrote:This is the first time in which the stupidity of Shmups Forum denizens has actually pissed me off. I tried to defend the poor Dreamcast, but alas, it's like trying to talk to a mainstream gamer about shmups-- they're too ignorant to handle the facts, the truth.
Hell yeah. Border Down, Mars Matrix. Must own shooter console.sethsez wrote:Yeah, the funny thing is that most of us probably love the damn thing. As long as it has Border Down and an affordable version of Last Blade 2 I'll never get rid of mine. I guess saying "the PS2 could handle an N64 game" is an attack on the Dreamcast.
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Schrodinger's cat wrote:Yeah, "shmup" really sounds like a term a Jewish grandmother would insult you with.
Schrodinger's cat wrote:Yeah, "shmup" really sounds like a term a Jewish grandmother would insult you with.
I bought mine the day it came out and have loved it ever since. I even pimped it with the clear case and the blue LED. There are all kinds of total keepers for it but I play Mr Driller more than anything, to this very day. My roommate and I used to take ADD drugs and stay up for days with Mars Matrix and GW2. I still had my shop at the time CvS2 and Ikaruga were released and good lord, those were crazy days. Especially the 'round the clock CvS2 madness. Ah, good times.Neon wrote:Hell yeah. Border Down, Mars Matrix. Must own shooter console.
Schrodinger's cat wrote:Yeah, "shmup" really sounds like a term a Jewish grandmother would insult you with.
HahaPaCrappa wrote:Anyways, click the link in this dude's sig and count how many Dreamcast shooters he has.
So go without. This attitude combined with the extreme ease of pirating certainly didn't help the systems or the small developers trying to release games for it. If you want to know why Cave didn't release games for it, here's as good a reason as any.Zweihander wrote:..."OOOO U R A PIRATE U GO 2 HELLLLLL!!!!!!111111111one"... imminent comment can bite me. I'm a college student, I can't afford to import left-and-right.
So why now can't the PS2 do Bangaioh?Zweihander wrote:The N64 was a cartridge-based system.
The DC has 8 megs of video memory. PS2 had 4. yes, FOUR.
If you would go and add up how many 2D games appear on the PS2 hardware and then subtract the number of 2D games which appear for the Dreamcast hardware, you'll deny it right along with me.Zweihander wrote:Also, one cannot deny the inferiority of 2-D support on PS2 versus the Dreamcast's.
www.ebay.comZweihander wrote:If you must know, I have bootleg CD-R's of every DC shmup, tyvm. (yes, even the bad ones.. *coughChaosFieldcough*) ..I just can't find them anywhere, legit.
Hell, we could break it down by genre.PaCrappa wrote:If you would go and add up how many 2D games appear on the PS2 hardware and then subtract the number of 2D games which appear for the Dreamcast hardware, you'll deny it right along with me.
Schrodinger's cat wrote:Yeah, "shmup" really sounds like a term a Jewish grandmother would insult you with.
Schrodinger's cat wrote:Yeah, "shmup" really sounds like a term a Jewish grandmother would insult you with.
Schrodinger's cat wrote:Yeah, "shmup" really sounds like a term a Jewish grandmother would insult you with.
And ALL of them, Dreamcast and PS2 2D games, would run better on the Xbox.Zweihander wrote:all of which would run better on the Dreamcast.sethsez wrote:Hell, we could break it down by genre.PaCrappa wrote:If you would go and add up how many 2D games appear on the PS2 hardware and then subtract the number of 2D games which appear for the Dreamcast hardware, you'll deny it right along with me.
The PS2 has more 2D run and gunners.
The PS2 has more 2D fighters.
The PS2 has more 2D shmups.
The PS2 has more 2D platformers.
The PS2 has more 2D RPGs.
cept GGX is a naomi game, and yes, its easier making naomi to DC ports because its almost like an arcade dreamcast, nooone argues that.Zweihander wrote:Laso post... this thread is making me sick.PaCrappa wrote:So give us some facts then. Why can the PS2 not do Ikaruga or Bangaioh?Zweihander wrote:This is the first time in which the stupidity of Shmups Forum denizens has actually pissed me off. I tried to defend the poor Dreamcast, but alas, it's like trying to talk to a mainstream gamer about shmups-- they're too ignorant to handle the facts, the truth.
Anyways, I like the Dreamcast so much I have Blue Stinger for USA and Japan. That's way more hardercore than you about Dreamcast.
Pa
The N64 was a cartridge-based system. No doubt, when programmed well and with resources managed properly, Bangaioh could very well run at a decent speed.
The DC has 8 megs of video memory. PS2 had 4. yes, FOUR. Also, one cannot deny the inferiority of 2-D support on PS2 versus the Dreamcast's. Again, look at GGX's load times, and look at the immense slowdown on the Cave games. Granted, there was slowdown in the arcades as well, but the ammount of slowdown in the PS2 ports-- even the well-done ports by Arika, as opposed to Mushi's half-assed port-- is asinine. It's not the developer's fault. It's a hardware limitation. Add the factor of a faulty lens (at least on the huge version of the PS2; I've heard they fixed the problem with the slim model) and you've got yourself a disaster waiting to happen.
Fortunately, bangaioh is a 2-d shooter, and no developer in their right mind would put it on PS2 unless it came bundled with Radiant Silvergun, Silhouette Mirage, Guardian Heroes, Mischief Makers, and Gunstar Heroes, all on one bargain-priced disc.
Welcome to motherfucking America.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Cave should have just stuck with Sega and ported their games to the Dreamcast.
"i really dont know what to say, so let's just make an ass out of myself.Zweihander wrote:....because you touch yourself at night.PaCrappa wrote:I think I've managed to siphon the facts from your post:
So why now can't the PS2 do Bangaioh?PaZweihander wrote:The N64 was a cartridge-based system.
The DC has 8 megs of video memory. PS2 had 4. yes, FOUR.
There, was that speaking your language?
If someone does that with ONE console, then I agree. If someone just avoids a company's consoles, I disagree. You have any idea how many PC-Engine/PC-Duo, SNES, Genesis, Sega CD, Gamecube, Xbox, GBA, DS, Neo-Geo/Neo-Geo CD, PCB, etc. games I have left to buy? Just because my Saturn collection is nearing completion (virtually only have 3 expensive titles left and the shmups) and the DC collection might as well be completed, doesn't mean I'm sitting here going "Well, time to find that one last obscure Saturn game since I only support the Saturn... hohohohohohoh!"sethsez wrote:Cliched though it may be, I stand by it. So many "hardcore" gamers get so obsessed with hardware that content almost falls by the wayside. They'll spend stupid amounts of money on games that suck because they're on systems they like, rather than buying games they might actually enjoy more on other systems. I've seen the same thing in music and video, people who'll pick a format and stick with it to the end, even if albums or movies they might enjoy more are coming out elsewhere. Why buy Police Academy 3 on laserdisc instead of getting a better movie on DVD? Why get a shitty new age album you'll hate on SACD when you could get a great album on CD instead?jp wrote:bloodflowers wrote: Otherwise knows as "I'M SO COOL I MAKE STATEMENTS SHOWING IM H4RDC0R3!!!!!!111". Without systems, there are no games.
Unless you've got something like a Chess set handy, but the board and pieces probably count as a system in that context.
I concur, that is the most cliche', bulllshit, lame statement I have ever read on gaming boards (and its used over... and over... and over... and over...)
HEY! I PLAY SYSTEMS! MASTER SYSTEM HAD A BUILT IN EXCLUSIVE GAME! AND I PLAYED IT! SO I PLAYED A SYSTEM! Z0MG!
But so it goes. Someone will, instead of getting a game they'll enjoy, spend a stupid amount of time hunting down an obscure mahjong for their system of choice because they've got all the good games for it already. Of course, they'll never actually play the mahjong game, but dammit, it's a game for their favorite system they don't own yet!
Personally, I'm of the opinion that these people don't deserve to be called gamers, as hardware fetishism clearly outshines any interest in gaming itself. I also feel the same way for other things: an audiophile with a $50,000 sound system and four albums is not a goddamn music lover, and someone with every movie ever made for the Beta format and nothing else is not a film lover.
And Zwei, do you have anything at all to back up claiming that the PS2 couldn't handle Bangaioh beyond "well I just think so because $ony lol"?
Which is why, when I first made that comment, I wasn't talking about the things you commented on. It was more in relation to people who only play Dreamcast games and refuse to get anything else, or the entire goddamn Neo*Geo fanbase.jp wrote:stuff
sethsez wrote:Which is why, when I first made that comment, I wasn't talking about the things you commented on. It was more in relation to people who only play Dreamcast games and refuse to get anything else, or the entire goddamn Neo*Geo fanbase.jp wrote:stuff
Especially the Neo*Geo fanbase.
Mostly the Neo*Geo fanbase.
God I hate the Neo*Geo fanbase.
Schrodinger's cat wrote:Yeah, "shmup" really sounds like a term a Jewish grandmother would insult you with.
