Cave & Capitalism

[STG4WD]

Seen some negative reviews from shmupsfarmers on the steam page.
Why post them? It's pretty damaging to degica/cave. I'd hope once the issues are fixed that you'll all take them down.

Also, so great to see known members of this forum streaming other games over the weekend on Twitch.

Way to support the release!

[Shepardus]

Seen some negative reviews from shmupsfarmers on the steam page.
Why post them? It's pretty damaging to degica/cave. I'd hope once the issues are fixed that you'll all take them down.

Also, so great to see known members of this forum streaming other games over the weekend on Twitch.

Way to support the release!

People will stream what they want to stream. If that isn't Mushihimesama then so be it, it's not like they're getting paid to advertise the game or something. Reco isn't my yandere waifu who will kill everybody getting in the way of me giving my full undivided attention to her. "Known members of this forum" have already promoted the game quite a bit prior to release in my opinion, and Jaimers and Erppo have streamed it on YouTube.

[Cee]

Seen some negative reviews from shmupsfarmers on the steam page.
Why post them? It's pretty damaging to degica/cave. I'd hope once the issues are fixed that you'll all take them down.

Because people are entitled to share there views and your feelings don't get a say in the matter, neither does this strange fictional implied obligation to Cave that you seem to be pushing. If Cave want great reviews then they need to ensure the releases are strong and worthy of praise from the buying populace like every other developer.

[Cee]

Also, so great to see known members of this forum streaming other games over the weekend on Twitch.

Way to support the release!

Are you actually for real? Yeah shame on people for playing games they wish on a streaming service they use that isn't the game you think they should be playing because of some weird reason about obligations to particular games companies which don't exist.... nonsense.

[STG4WD]

Are you actually for real? Yeah shame on people for playing games they wish on a streaming service they use that isn't the game you think they should be playing because of some weird reason about obligations to particular games companies which don't exist.... nonsense.

Oh come on.

On the launch weekend of the first Cave game on Steam? And senior people from this forum choose to stream something else??

I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks that's wack.

[Shepardus]

Most "senior people from this forum" (whatever that means) have probably already played the game to death before this release, and in some cases before it was even released on Xbox 360. There's more to shmups than just CAVE, you know.

[STG4WD]

Most "senior people from this forum" (whatever that means) have probably already played the game to death before this release, and in some cases before it was even released on Xbox 360. There's more to shmups than just CAVE, you know.

I can't believe this attitude, to be honest.

'I played this on PCB so instead of putting on an interesting show for the Steam launch I'm gonna play something else. Because, you know, it's not all about Cave when it comes to Shmups'

SMH.

[Giest118]

I'm sure I'm not the only person who thinks that's wack.

You actually are.

Nobody else on the face of the planet, or anywhere in existence in all real or hypothetical realities and all planes of existence, thinks anything of it whatsoever.

You are alone.

[Shepardus]

Most "senior people from this forum" (whatever that means) have probably already played the game to death before this release, and in some cases before it was even released on Xbox 360. There's more to shmups than just CAVE, you know.

I can't believe this attitude, to be honest.

'I played this on PCB so instead of putting on an interesting show for the Steam launch I'm gonna play something else. Because, you know, it's not all about Cave when it comes to Shmups'

SMH.

And I don't understand why it's somehow the players' job to "put on an interesting show." We're not PewDiePie, we're just here to play games.

[STG4WD]

And I don't understand why it's somehow the players' job to "put on an interesting show." We're not PewDiePie, we're just here to play games.

Do people spend time on this forum because it's their job?

Or do we all spend time here because we have a hobby that we think is worth investing our spare time into?

If it's the latter, then wouldn't it make sense to support the ONE release of a shmup that could possibly bring some life back to the genre and attract new players?

Like, you can stream your other games any other weekend, but can't you back the Cave Steam release on launch weekend??

[safetyboy]

Any one else getting a blank screen and cant exit with windows 8.1 when they full screen? I have to reboot the PC?

[CStarFlare]

I can't believe this attitude, to be honest.

'I played this on PCB so instead of putting on an interesting show for the Steam launch I'm gonna play something else. Because, you know, it's not all about Cave when it comes to Shmups'

SMH.

This is ridiculous. You are being ridiculous.

[STG4WD]

This is ridiculous. You are being ridiculous.

SMH.

[Immryr]

he's right. you're being ridiculous.

[eebrozgi]

Being pestered or forced to play a video game is pretty stressful.
Being told by someone else that they expect you to do what they want with your spare time, on the time you're supposed to relax or do just whatever floats your boat, is pretty damn stressful.

For this very reason I've lately been logged out of Steam friends by default, since a friend of mine informed me I was playing an old game even though he wanted me to play a new game. I was just trying to chill in my comfort zone during those days.

Now, I think I understand your concern about getting the word heard, about getting as much attention as possible to this game at this crucial time. But even the most prominent shmupfarm members are here for leisure, I'd imagine. They just aren't hired PR people with the obligation to play given games at given times.


Being guilt-tripped for playing "wrong games" at a "wrong time" is, frankly, shit.

[Xyga]

Do people spend time on this forum because it's their job?

What do you think, the shmups mafia is serious business !

[STG4WD]

Nobody else on the face of the planet, or anywhere in existence in all real or hypothetical realities and all planes of existence, thinks anything of it whatsoever.

You are alone.

One man against hordes of w@nkers with bad attitudes who spew out excessive amounts of hazardous bullsh*t?

I played a game like that once.

[trap15]

ban please

[STG4WD]

ban please

Why don't you post some 'clever' image spam and get the thread shut down too?

I know your tactics.

[Icarus]

I played a game like that once.

Indeed. It's called "walking the line between a 24hr ban and a permanent". You'll learn soon enough not to fan the flames around here.
Speaking of a 24hr ban... have one on top of your formal warning for good measure.

As you were, thread.

[Drachenherz]

Come on, no banning please, shumpsfarm needs the hero it deserves!

About the game: still on the edge of actually getting it, because I am on a shmups (or gaming in general) hiatus the last couple of months, with very little gaming done, if any at all...

[Icarus]

Come on, no banning please, shumpsfarm needs the hero it deserves!

He just became an hero, which is close enough.

[Drachenherz]

Come on, no banning please, shumpsfarm needs the hero it deserves!

He just became an hero, which is close enough.

Aaaahhh, too bad, it just started to get funny now. But I'll shut up now, it's not nice talking about someone who can't react.

Now, about the game... Sad thing is, I just had to send my windows laptop in for repair, so I'm stuck with my meager linux-laptop and a tablet at the moment, so I guess. .. No mushi for me for now.

[Opus131]

Also, so great to see known members of this forum streaming other games over the weekend on Twitch.

Way to support the release!

Are you actually for real? Yeah shame on people for playing games they wish on a streaming service they use that isn't the game you think they should be playing because of some weird reason about obligations to particular games companies which don't exist.... nonsense.

Well, people are free to do as they please, but i think the point here is that it would make sense to promote this game in order to get more. We are not talking about a stand alone release, to be treated as any other release, but a spring board for more releases. Of course, i'm biased since i do not have an Xbox 360 so i have a great vested interested in trying to get those games on PC, heh. Basically, it is not only about helping a company we like but also getting something concrete in return.

[cave hermit]

I just want to point out how ironic it is that this guy derailed his own topic, especially after posting:

Please don’t wander off topic, there’s plenty of room elsewhere for that.

Back on topic, I made it to the stage 4 boss last night in 1.0 original; perhaps I'll get the 1CC soon?

[P_HAT]

I'm kinda pissed off by negative comments.
I'm sure this port worked better for more people than had problems.

We spend YEARS waiting for this miracle. And now we got it.

Have you guys forgot the Ketsui rom dramma? Times when to play Mushi you was forces to find jp or modded PS2, and sped 60-90$ for game(well i got it cheaper) or buy PCB and supergun, etc?
And, in case of PS2 version hexedit the rom to get rid of blur?


This is small game, from small dev, ported by small crew. Yes, game got some bug, but it was case always. There is damn counterstop bugs and stuff like it in arcade games, for sake of cakes. And i never heard about free patch for ur 500$+ cave pcb.

Oh, i'm sorry, i don't wanna sound mad, but i'm mad.

[Blinge]

As I wish not to be lumped in with the thread's earlier derailment, allow me to rephrase my earlier concern.

Before anyone submits an honest account of the port's issues on the store page, please consider the effect it may have on the game's sales or reputation.
While suggesting that potential buyers wait until the bugs are fixed is a perfectly valid idea, I believe any negativity associated with the port can only do damage to CAVE/Degica or have an impact on sales, even after the bugs are fixed. The steam community are a fickle bunch, I assume many people just skim over the reviews and just see the red thumbsdowns.

I'm not criticising; just suggesting discretion. =]

[system11]

So what you're saying is we should go for deception by omission then?

[Obscura]

As I wish not to be lumped in with the thread's earlier derailment, allow me to rephrase my earlier concern.

Before anyone submits an honest account of the port's issues on the store page, please consider the effect it may have on the game's sales or reputation.
While suggesting that potential buyers wait until the bugs are fixed is a perfectly valid idea, I believe any negativity associated with the port can only do damage to CAVE/Degica or have an impact on sales, even after the bugs are fixed. The steam community are a fickle bunch, I assume many people just skim over the reviews and just see the red thumbsdowns.

I'm not criticising; just suggesting discretion. =]

I'm pretty sure "low-quality port has poor sales" is a good outcome, not a bad one.

[cul]

As I wish not to be lumped in with the thread's earlier derailment, allow me to rephrase my earlier concern.

Before anyone submits an honest account of the port's issues on the store page, please consider the effect it may have on the game's sales or reputation.
While suggesting that potential buyers wait until the bugs are fixed is a perfectly valid idea, I believe any negativity associated with the port can only do damage to CAVE/Degica or have an impact on sales, even after the bugs are fixed. The steam community are a fickle bunch, I assume many people just skim over the reviews and just see the red thumbsdowns.

I'm not criticising; just suggesting discretion. =]

While I've been promoting the game left and right to my friends, I simply don't agree with this. Reviews are there for a reason.

I can't help but notice that Japanese studios have a really poor understanding, and probably a poor opinion about PC gaming. With very few exception, every major "japanese games" I've bought on PC were TERRIBLE ports.

I bought Killer is Dead on release day, game is still unplayable to this day by thousands of people who bought it by a bug that prevented you from finishing level 2 if you have something less than a quad core CPU. Plenty of programmers on the forum said it was a very easy fix, the game hasn't been officially patched to this day, some guy on the forum showed how you have to do it yourself with an hex editor.

Dark Souls 1 ? Well, technically it worked, but the performance and the graphics were shit, the game had no graphic options, obviously was never patched/improved. So once again, an amateur coder created a simple file that allowed you to tweak the graphics and improve the graphical quality of the game and even the performace. Why couldn't the devs do it? And dont get me started on how cheating, getting infnite life/stamina/regen on your character ONLINE is as easy as editing a text file. A problem that ruined DS 1, that was present day 1 on DS2 release with the dev simply saying "we can't do anything about it, tough luck, please people, be nice, don't cheat online". Freaking brilliant.

Final Fantasy XIII? "lol"?


So now, we got Cave finally porting Shmups on PC, and I'm happy for that, especially since Mushihimesama is probably my favorite Shmup of all. But it doesn't mean that the port is perfect, or even good.
So we got a PC port with day 1 major bugs, without ANY KIND of graphical options, on a PC. Full screening the game is in 720p, and now, worst of all, they "patch it" by forcing Vsync ON EVERYONE.

I wish Japanese devs would actually try playing games on a PC for a minute, and realize that this plateform isn't a console plateform where everyone has the same hardware, and that basic graphical options like resolution and Vsync are mandatory, they aren't a luxury, they're the bare minimum you have to provide to ensure that the game will run fine on the vast diversity of hardware combinations out there, and releasing a game with these unchangeable settings is always a recipe for disaster and discontent.

They aren't the first japanese "small" studio to port a game to PC, they should have known all of this, and yet they made every single mistakes I've been expecting them to do as a japanese developer porting a game to PC. Now you can gaslight all you want, but a steam forum full of complaints spreads the information around very fast, and prevent plenty of people from buying the game, and that's way worse than a couple of bad reviews no one read on the steam page, and that lies entirely on the dev and publishers shoulders.