GamerGate - and it's continuing aftermath.

[louisg]

Really good article, at VGChartz.

http://www.vgchartz.com/article/260846/ ... m-is-dead/

That's not a bad read. I have to say that it jibes with my experience. Our politics are probably very different (I lean way more anti-gamer gate I think), but the pro-GG people I've followed-back on Twitter have been a pretty diverse bunch. If they were being misogynistic or racist I'd unfollow them in a second, and I did unfollow a couple people who were very right wing, but in general I'd say that they just have different ideas about politics than I do and that's OK. I've been pretty unhappy with how these outlets have handled themselves in the wake of GG, and I've considered it a good demonstration of the principle that the real test of character is what you do when people aren't nice to you. It's eerie to me how much the both sides have in common, down to thinking stuff like doxxing is just fine as long as you're the one doing it.

You called it, gents! SOS from Britlandshire - Cyber VAWG has gone rogue and is shooting down friendly units!

Oh jeez, THAT person in the news again. A perfect demonstration of someone who thinks they're above any human decency simply for having the right opinions.

These days I'm more inclined to think that the problem isn't whether someone is left or right wing, it's dogma that's the problem. Although I'm very interested in social justice, I refuse to join some kind of cult. What I see on the Internet just makes me sad.

[QXC]

Since I enjoyed reading this thread, here's a related link.

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2015/10/u ... ce-report/

Looks like they might just be revising it rather than retracting it outright, but it's still a bit funny.

[Mischief Maker]

Zoe Quinn participated in a United Nations Symposium?

Not since Kim Kardashian has a woman gone so far for so little.

[BIL]

Haha. Most aptly put.

If there are any Ayano Koshiros out there being slated, someone point me to their tormentors and I'll smash neckbeard skulls beneath my iron member until the very maw of death heaves up the glut of their worthless brain matter in protest. DIGITALLY OF COURSE.

I just wish these no-talent shitheels would GTFO out of my Youtube recommendations. They're professional victims with comb-over CVs and parasitic to my hobby. No kidding the great unwashed are putting the boot in while everyone else who's not a dickweed hopes they'll just disappear already.

"Depression Quest?" Yeah, I love Silent Hill 2! LMAO.

[Squire Grooktook]

Best poster, as always.

[BIL]

hardcore: it's about love ;3

HEADPHONES WARNING MOTHERFUCKERS ;_;7

[Skykid]

Feminism destroyer Milo Yiannopoulos picks over Gamergate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3r0atokQvc

[Strider77]

That was a good watch... I tend to agree with everything he said. I actually bothered to track down and watch the whole show with him.

[Skykid]

That was a good watch... I tend to agree with everything he said. I actually bothered to track down and watch the whole show with him.

It's always satisfying to see logic in action, even if he is a smug bastard - but then so was Hitchens, and he was brilliant.

I have no idea why the progressive community latched on to gamers at all, although he outlines the reasoning fairly well.

But all this nonsense about gender being a social construct rather than innate genetics and other ridiculous notions is always more glorious when it's being ripped up and used as verbal toilet paper (for that folks need to check out the anti-feminist rant in the same interview).

[BryanM]

Feminism destroyer Milo Yiannopoulos picks over Gamergate:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3r0atokQvc

Hey. I've got a better youtoob.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9y5KR7_MNs

Or for the more cerebral chap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAJLSpUXawE

50 years ago. Hopefully 50 years hence people will finally free the games from oppression.

[evil_ash_xero]

Seriously, do you want to live in this world? I'm not saying things can't change for the better, but these people are insane, and cannot be pleased.

[BulletMagnet]

Is there seriously nobody a little higher up the evolutionary ladder to speak on this topic than a Breitbart stooge? There has to be someone with a little more credibility than that...right?

[MathU]

Cathy Young has written a lot of interesting stuff on Gamergate for a whole bunch of different outlets. Here's one of her most recent articles.

[Immryr]

What a horrible, odious man that milo fellow is. Makes me feel like I need a wash just watching that video. Had to turn it off after he said "Israel hating, socialist weirdos".

[evil_ash_xero]

I don't agree with Milo's politics, but I agree with his social politics. Also, he is funny, and quite entertaining.

In the anti-SJW movement, it's not so important that you are right or left. It's how you feel about censorship, and pushing of agendas. Don't get me wrong, the right can do it too, but they're not the ones who are able to do it now. If it was in the 80s, this fight would be against the religious right.
You just have to be against these people, no matter what side they come from.

As for the question above, Christina Hoff Sommers is a pretty big advocate against SJWs. If you're looking for people who are more left leaning, or not so...umm...divisive, as Milo.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ewU33EdNnM

Of course, if you are against this type of stuff, you're all of a sudden a right winger. If you don't like third wave feminism, you're a misogynist. They will label you, without even listening to your argument.

Cathy Young has written a lot of interesting stuff on Gamergate for a whole bunch of different outlets. Here's one of her most recent articles.

That's a very good article. Thanks for linking that. That's something I can show people, who I'm trying to explain this to.

One thing that points out...and it really is true...most people do not support GamerGate, due to "ethics in journalism". Some do, like TotalBiscuit. But for the vast majority, it really is a reaction to progressive extremism.

I have heard from some more prominent figures in GG, that saying it's about ethics is a way for your everyday person to understand the situation. That they would be confused, if you get into a big conversation about SJWs. Personally, I don't think it's hard to understand censorship.

Don't get me wrong. The journalists do suck (and seemingly despise their audience), and we have them with that. But there wouldn't be so much motivation, if it wasn't for the SJW issue. The "ethics in journalism" is almost a meme, and a joke.

It's not really honest.

EDIT: On a side note, it looks as if TotalBiscuit, may not be around very long. Sad news.
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1snlj3r

I don't agree with him on a couple of things, but he seems like a good guy.

[Mischief Maker]

I saw Milo on the Joe Rogan podcast and he was no Christopher Hitchens. Every single time Rogan played devil's advocate Milo began talking a zillion miles a second and soon dropped his point. He is NOT comfortable outside the conservative hugbox.

I see Milo as equivalent to Anita Sarkeesian, if a much better speaker. Not really a gamer, but saw gamergate as a way to punch his meal ticket so long as he can fan the flames of controversy. Case in point is the video in this thread where he says "for some reason" games journalists are taking an anti-gamergate slant in their reporting. His implication is that they're beholden to his chosen adversaries, the social justice warriors.

Bullshit. Games journalists are slanted against gamergate because they know damn well how corrupt their industry is and they're using their platform to do everything they can to delegitimize their critics before their words even reach your ears. Don't listen to those monsters, they're dead! That corruption is what lies at the core of gamergate and anything to do with "slut shaming" or SJWs is just a distraction to the benefit of a corrupt press.

evil_ash_xero, the social justice warrior movement is more complex than just being the product of awful people. Here's an excerpt from that Atlantic article that was linked earlier in the thread:

Federal antidiscrimination statutes regulate on-campus harassment and unequal treatment based on sex, race, religion, and national origin. Until recently, the Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights acknowledged that speech must be “objectively offensive” before it could be deemed actionable as sexual harassment—it would have to pass the “reasonable person” test. To be prohibited, the office wrote in 2003, allegedly harassing speech would have to go “beyond the mere expression of views, words, symbols or thoughts that some person finds offensive.”

But in 2013, the Departments of Justice and Education greatly broadened the definition of sexual harassment to include verbal conduct that is simply “unwelcome.” Out of fear of federal investigations, universities are now applying that standard—defining unwelcome speech as harassment—not just to sex, but to race, religion, and veteran status as well.

As is often the case with well-meaning but fuzzy rules, this is resulting in chaos. If unwelcome speech that goes unpunished can lose the university billions in federal funds, you can bet your ass the university is going to apply the ridiculous new standard to the letter in order to protect itself. This creates an environment where students are told in no uncertain terms that unwelcome speech is verbotten and the students begin applying that reasoning to the larger world.

[evil_ash_xero]

Yeah, I'm starting to see the connection between funding of colleges, and the government saying "tone this down".

It's interesting.

[Immryr]

I see Milo as equivalent to Anita Sarkeesian, if a much better speaker. Not really a gamer, but saw gamergate as a way to punch his meal ticket so long as he can fan the flames of controversy.

this is exactly right. just look at him. the man is pure slime.

[Skykid]

What a horrible, odious man that milo fellow is. Makes me feel like I need a wash just watching that video. Had to turn it off after he said "Israel hating, socialist weirdos".

Regardless, many of his points are accurate.

this is exactly right. just look at him. the man is pure slime.

Progressives are about to label you a gay basher.

I saw Milo on the Joe Rogan podcast and he was no Christopher Hitchens. Every single time Rogan played devil's advocate Milo began talking a zillion miles a second and soon dropped his point. He is NOT comfortable outside the conservative hugbox.

I see Milo as equivalent to Anita Sarkeesian, if a much better speaker. Not really a gamer, but saw gamergate as a way to punch his meal ticket so long as he can fan the flames of controversy. Case in point is the video in this thread where he says "for some reason" games journalists are taking an anti-gamergate slant in their reporting. His implication is that they're beholden to his chosen adversaries, the social justice warriors.

Bullshit. Games journalists are slanted against gamergate because they know damn well how corrupt their industry is and they're using their platform to do everything they can to delegitimize their critics before their words even reach your ears. Don't listen to those monsters, they're dead! That corruption is what lies at the core of gamergate and anything to do with "slut shaming" or SJWs is just a distraction to the benefit of a corrupt press.

No-one will ever be Christopher Hitchens, he was one of a kind. It's obvious Milo has picked his side and his enemies, and to be honest I'm perfectly fine with him being a public spokesperson for anti-feminism and anti-SJW rhetoric as long as his argument is sound. And for the most part, it is, once you discount what can only be considered to be personal rage from the equation.

Simply there isn't anyone else taking up the soapbox to publicly heckle and draw clarity on what is an out-of-control, first-world, white middle class baby tantrum of a non-issue. For that I can forgive the mishaps because I'd rather have someone speaking out than none at all.

[e_tank]

Simply there isn't anyone else taking up the soapbox to publicly heckle and draw clarity on what is an out-of-control, first-world, white middle class baby tantrum of a non-issue. For that I can forgive the mishaps because I'd rather have someone speaking out than none at all.

while not directly aimed at gamergate, bill maher has been an out spoken critic of sjw's since the 90's (tho back then they were known as the pc police), and unlike milo he doesn't use it as a wedge issue to promote a particular politcal agenda. you can check ouut one of his more recent anti sjw rants here, it's absolutely hilarious

[Skykid]

Bill Maher would rant about the sun setting if there was some antagonistic element to it. I don't dislike the guy, but his approach is not quite as intellectual.

I think SJWs of today are a new breed. 90s was Greenpeace and eco warriors, animal rights activists etc. Compared to todays brigade of white guilt driven mummy's boys and fat-but-beautiful feminist Internet teenage nothings, at least the 90s guys had some purpose.

This is more an epidemic of boredom and social failure meeting keyboard. Useless yet simultaneously horribly irritating.

[Strider77]

I've been discussing this a bit on Facebook... I know, I know... Facebook, eewwwww.

I'll just copy and paste what I said because I'm lazy. Some good articles and videos coming up on here. If Skykid and I can agree on some actual important topics... there is hope after all.

Skykid I have disagreed with you and have even been aggrivated by you at times, but it's one of those things where at some point knowing to laugh a bit or have a sense of humor goes a long way.

"What they oppose is not equal treatment for women, gays, transgender people, or minorities, but the politicization and policing of culture."

I don't really identify with GG per say, however this statement reflects how I feel about this "what excuse can I come up with today to be offended" trend.

I don't believe every straight white male is out to screw over every person who is gay. Just like I don't believe every female (or feminist for that matter) is a radical man hating feminist. But I'm not pro let's just turn the tide/hate the other way, the old reverse the polarity trick is BS.

I'm pro don't be an asshole and a sense of humor doesn't hurt.

Policing things gistopo style is a slippery slope. We should encourage open discussion of topics without hostility, label slapping/slander and the "no no paddle".

It doesn't matter what side of the fence you sit on, you can still be part of the same problem or behave just as badly with the same actions.

I can go to some racist jerks house who is flying a confederate flag because they hate minorities and dictate/command them to take the flag down (and even if they did) I wouldn't have made any useful change. That same hateful mentality would still be there.

The trick is to get folks to not want to do it. But once I agree to police things I don't like away that opens the door for someone to demand a rainbow flag or whatever away. It's a slippery slope, burning books etc.

You can't social justice warrior away hateful attitudes. And just because you are a minority doesn't give you a free pass to bad behavior. And if you are a minority spreading this same kind of radical hate you can be called out. And just because you are called out doesn't mean whoever is doing it is a sexist, homophobic, racist.

This article is level headed.

The media is quick to point out all these GG threats (and not follow up after investigations showed that some were false)... but then not bother to cover a bomb threat to a GG social forum... that this journalist was present at. Radicals on either side are just as guilty. Free passes shouldn't be passed out.

[Skykid]

What's more amazing to me is the amount of people who don't agree.

Counter arguing this circus amounts to little more than layman logic. Incredibly most of its supporters are genuinely smart people inexplicably posing as pseudo-intellectuals.

Weird shit.

[system11]

Rewound topic to where it was civil and bonus removal of stupid comment.

[Drum]

You're not my real dad.

[Icarus]

You're not my real dad.

Good job, dipshit, for talking back to an admin who just cleaned your drive-by insult off the forum. Take the week off.
Am I heavy-handed? Definitely. Do you deserve it? Absolutely.

[BIL]

Chris Hansen's ghost returns from hell, ravening to once more taste pedo-flesh before eternal damnation can drag it back under. Conventional weaponry seems to have no effect as the phantom closes in.

NWS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPKOSvo3AJM pt1
NWS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCjDYa1_EL4 pt2



As a rule I don't care much for either side of the epic ongoing cultural first-world ragnarok, as neither particularly relate to the gaming I know and love. But, but... calciferous avalanches from neopuritanical Stalinist closets! I thought Dobby Bear's shameful past as CattyN was as good as it got. At least the arbiters of morality still have Chris Chan.

[Squire Grooktook]

mfw the pedo stuff starts

[BIL]

First I was like

Spoiler

And then I

Spoiler

And then, I felt awful for ever laughing at poor oblivious Chris Chan. :[ Some of these characters are really nasty work.

[Strider77]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=you ... 4zis1E0p0M

Somewhat related... mostly in the ass handed to the PC agenda that has nothing to do with the matter. Her last line is truth.