Another day, another shooting in the US

[BryanM]

What's the deal with r9k? Seems pretty screwed up.

xkcd was responsible for inspiring its creation. The experiment proved a failure as you could outwit the bot by typing some random gibberish at the end of a post affawu9082qu

Eventually it became what all unstructured anonymous boards with a significant population become: a place for lonely guys to complain about not having a woman. Perhaps knowing all that will make you appreciate shmups.system11 a little more.



..The darker, more fucked up stuff that even 4chan doesn't want... well, I'm not interested in it but here's an example of one brush up with one of them: a man strangled his girlfriend to death and posted a picture of it on 4chan before going to a bar for some beers. On 8chan, one poster photoshopped it to make her look alive (removing the strangulation line, adding color back to her flesh). The next shopped semen on her.

Personally, that went over whatever internal moral line I had, which I didn't think existed because the internet tends to obliterate all shame. For the thought of "you shouldn't do this" to come into my mind, well, that was the moment I became one of those Social Justice Warriors. Who go around saying its bad to photoshop semen onto images of real dead women.

[BryanM]

On the other side of the coin to lighten things up, /tg/ is rather neutral and creative at times.

On the upside, 4chan was the first group of people busting pedos on the internet (a tactic some police departments have used, think To Catch A Predator. We really need many, many more agents rooting this shit out though), and they'll hunt down people abusing animals. Even forever alone assholes have some basic decency.

[evil_ash_xero]

What's the deal with r9k? Seems pretty screwed up.

Personally, that went over whatever internal moral line I had, which I didn't think existed because the internet tends to obliterate all shame. For the thought of "you shouldn't do this" to come into my mind, well, that was the moment I became one of those Social Justice Warriors. Who go around saying its bad to photoshop semen onto images of real dead women.

Is that what did it? Well, at least it was something traumatic.

But more seriously...you can be TOTALLY against that (as you should...it's disgusting), but not be a SJW. There's a really big gap between photoshopping shit on a real dead person (who was killed by a member of the board), and having some scantily clad women, in a game.

It's not too late.

I don't go to the "chans" anyway. Unless there's something big happening (the fappening). Those sites cross my lines too. But they should exist. I just don't want to be a part of it.

[GaijinPunch]

Where is Del to tell us it's a Zionist hoax?

[BryanM]

Jim's routine really sums it all up.

Might as well repost this every new page for what's going to happen politically.

We'll probably have robot women by the time we halt the sales of "assault rifles". Then again, gay marriage turned on a dime in a decade.

There's a really big gap between photoshopping shit on a real dead person (who was killed by a member of the board), and having some scantily clad women, in a game.

You can become a Social Justice Warrior who doesn't give a shit about video games designed to give people boners or japanese cartoons where all the women are drawn like 12 year olds with giant tits.

Well... except you do care about such things since you think there's any chance whatsoever stuff like this



is gonna go poof some day. Which is very weird. My experience has been that giving people boners will continue to be economically viable indefinitely.

So I guess that makes you a Boner Justice Warrior?

you can be TOTALLY against that (as you should...it's disgusting), but not be a SJW.

Impossible.

It'd be censoring someone's free speech, and that's not constitutional. By definition if you're "against that", you have to be a Social Justice Warrior. The woman's already dead, no one's being harmed, it's not a crime, so why get butthurt about it amirite?

[Shepardus]

Since when did being against something count as "censoring someone's free speech"? I would be against posting a picture online of someone you had just strangled and photoshopping semen onto it, as in I think it's distasteful and I certainly don't want to see it myself, and I'd rather that people didn't do it, but I don't think it's the government's or anybody else's responsibility to prevent someone from doing so if that's what they really want to do (though I do think strangling someone to death should be illegal, and thankfully it is).

[Bananamatic]

I've never really visited 4chan or reddit or any of those multiforum sites (think the last time I participated in general-purpose Internet forums was Usenet), but I want to know more about those kinds of communities. There always seem to be specific forums on those that are like some crazy dark corner of the Internet, and then other stuff that's fairly normal, right? I'm guessing it's kind of like how most of YouTube is fine but I can find fucked up stuff on it if I wanted to..? What's the deal with r9k? Seems pretty screwed up.

4chan really isn't nearly as bad as the media makes it seem to be

the only really bad shit ends up on /b/, the rest are mostly just slightly different places to discuss interests

/r9k/ is weird because of the amount of memes that came out of that place recently, there is no way to tell how many of those people are serious and how many are just pretending to be losers to be funny
same with /pol/, don't take it too seriously and just laugh at the stuff people post

[Xyga]

the only really bad shit ends up on /b/, the rest are mostly just slightly different places to discuss interests

/pol/ is full of various flavors of nazis and fanatics.

[Bananamatic]

/pol/ is full of various flavors of nazis and fanatics.

wouldn't say full, it's nowhere near the stormfront/chimpout level of politically incorrect where everyone thinks the same things
actually looking at the catalog right now, there really aren't as many racist/hate threads as people make it sound (not that it's the best place for intelligent discussion either)

if you want some real evil "darknet" shit, check out 8chan's /baphomet/ board

[BryanM]

/pol/

The story of Zyklon Ben is pretty funny.

Racist political cartoonists deserve every ounce of misery inflicted upon them possible. Glenn McCoy needs to be separated from society. He makes a living drawing this shit. It's printed in real newspapers; he thinks he's a worthwhile human and everything.

I look down upon him, and whisper, no. This is not a world I can stand to live in.

I'm PC Principal and I approve of this message.

[Xyga]

Honestly the accusation of 'despotic PC~ism' and argument that it's just dark humor doesn't work for me, from what I've seen developing these past years as xenophobic and racist ideas make their big comeback, is that it's just a way to shut up and neutralize even the slightest criticism and rejection of those ideas.

I was disappointed with this SP episode by the way, I've seen them more subtle than that, here they're doing the same mistake most hardline-conservatives and far-right supporters make: label all people with a moderate and critical view of things as unsufferable braindead moralist leftist arseholes.

Basically if you're saying it's wrong to label en entire people and ethnic group as a monolithic, evil and inferior, if you're against calls to blind mass-murder, then you're a despot willing to steal their "freedom of speech", and a fairy who knows nothing of the 'truth'.

I'm tired of that rethoric, what kind of "freedom of speech" example calling millions, if not billions, of people inferior and okay to eliminate from the surface of the planet is ?
I see it everywhere around me, people are becoming more and more racist, babbling insane conspiracy theories and... ? ... this is usually where they stop talking while in public.
On the internet or with close friends they don't stop, they let it all out.

Humor ? My ass. Maybe for a minuscule portion, I know some people have a taste for super acid humor for the sake of it and don't think one bit of the contents, it's castigat ridendo morens hardcore ver. and I like it, but we're talking about very few, usually quite smart people.
Think millions of people posting shit on the internet are the same ? I don't. I've read and heard enough in about 3~4 years of skyrocketing racism speech around me and from almost bloody everywhere around the world to make me shiver in fear just thinking about what could happen to our world in about just a few years from now.

I was thinking, right now in many places of Europe if we had easy access to firearms like in the USA, it would possibly be even worse.
Not daily shooting but rather daily massacre.
Turning to a bloothirsty maniac is a human feature that knows no culture, religion or race.

PS: maybe /pol/ isn't the worst place indeed, but I've read craploads of pretty scary stuff here still.
But it's like that in every non-moderated part of the internet, check the news articles comments (many aren't moderated), or any form of community around the net that doesn't care: it's insane on almost every topic.
It's like the internet revealed everything bad about humanity and actually helps all the shit expand.

[MintyTheCat]

http://www.der-postillon.com/2015/10/nr ... b-mit.html

[evil_ash_xero]

/pol/

The story of Zyklon Ben is pretty funny.

Racist political cartoonists deserve every ounce of misery inflicted upon them possible. Glenn McCoy needs to be separated from society. He makes a living drawing this shit. It's printed in real newspapers; he thinks he's a worthwhile human and everything.

I look down upon him, and whisper, no. This is not a world I can stand to live in.

I'm PC Principal and I approve of this message.

You PC, bro?

Hey, whatever. We'll have to agree to disagree.

[louisg]

But more seriously...you can be TOTALLY against that (as you should...it's disgusting), but not be a SJW. There's a really big gap between photoshopping shit on a real dead person (who was killed by a member of the board), and having some scantily clad women, in a game.

I was about to post this. On the Internet it's really easy to get polarized into these extremes, but there are plenty of sane opinions in-between.

[BryanM]

Honestly the accusation of 'despotic PC~ism' and argument that it's just dark humor doesn't work for me, from what I've seen developing these past years as xenophobic and racist ideas make their big comeback, is that it's just a way to shut up and neutralize even the slightest criticism and rejection of those ideas.

I was disappointed with this SP episode by the way, I've seen them more subtle than that, here they're doing the same mistake most hardline-conservatives and far-right supporters make: label all people with a moderate and critical view of things as unsufferable braindead moralist leftist arseholes.

Basically if you're saying it's wrong to label en entire people and ethnic group as a monolithic, evil and inferior, if you're against calls to blind mass-murder, then you're a despot willing to steal their "freedom of speech", and a fairy who knows nothing of the 'truth'.

I'm tired of that rethoric, what kind of "freedom of speech" example calling millions, if not billions, of people inferior and okay to eliminate from the surface of the planet is ?
I see it everywhere around me, people are becoming more and more racist, babbling insane conspiracy theories and... ? ... this is usually where they stop talking while in public.
On the internet or with close friends they don't stop, they let it all out.

Justice Bro! *hugs*

I was thinking, right now in many places of Europe if we had easy access to firearms like in the USA, it would possibly be even worse.
Not daily shooting but rather daily massacre.

I think you'd be surprised by how well they'd behave. You don't have a national political party fueled solely by racism that gets 47% of the vote like clockwork. At least, I think those only get like 20% of the vote over there on average?

Honestly I'm surprised we don't have entire militias of these people going on murder sprees. They tried their best with Cliven Bundy, but the government wasn't having any of that noise. Guess these guys are too much of a pussy to commit suicide over it - they want to install their Mexican death camps through politics.

It's like the internet revealed everything bad about humanity and actually helps all the shit expand.

It's a magical place you can find deviants who are into anything.

Without a focus their energy tends to go in useless directions. Without generals like Rush Limbaugh or the media Trumpeting a politician's message, they'd have marginal power like they did prior to the 1970's.

The internet certainly accelerated those natural compaction cycles. Accomplishes in a year what would take Rush a decade..

[MintyTheCat]

"The gunman who killed nine people in a shooting rampage at a college in Oregon had 13 weapons, federal agents said.

He was killed by police in a gun battle and another seven weapons were found at his home. All 13 were bought legally.
"
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34428410

Bought legally and what does that tell you? It tells me that anyone is fair game and none of you are safe.

[BulletMagnet]

Some words from Jeb. Y'know, the serious candidate. Trump, for his part, covered the other half of the conservative argument on the issue.

[ED-057]

Germany is #15 in the world for firearms ownership. Why is it that Germany has over 1/3 as many guns as the US per person, but almost 17 times fewer homicides per capita? Number of firearms alone isn't the issue.

Prostitution is legal in Germany.

It seems that this dude, Cho, Lanza, Hasan, and even ol' Joe Wesbecker all had something in common: a lack of getting laid.

Legalize prostitution. Shoot yer load, not yer coworker. Bukkake, not bullets.

Problem solved. Thank me later.

[Skykid]

Germany is #15 in the world for firearms ownership. Why is it that Germany has over 1/3 as many guns as the US per person, but almost 17 times fewer homicides per capita? Number of firearms alone isn't the issue.

Prostitution is legal in Germany.

It seems that this dude, Cho, Lanza, Hasan, and even ol' Joe Wesbecker all had something in common: a lack of getting laid.

Legalize prostitution. Shoot yer load, not yer coworker. Bukkake, not bullets.

Problem solved. Thank me later.

The post ever.

There's probably a lot of unsubstantiated truth in this. America still hasn't shaken off its cowboy gunslinging nature yet, hence life is impressively cheap there (and abroad, if they deem so). But the puritanical nature of its national moral message, fuelled by the Christian codes, is totally at odds with a lot of its actual behaviours - it's not surprising there's a lot of confusion and mental collapsing going on.

Getting laid is definitely a stress reliever.

[neorichieb1971]

The official statement is that a lot of these people have mental problems. Do people who do not get laid have more mental issues than people who get laid?

There are people out there who believe the world we live in is cruel, ugly and disrespectful to the planet. You can't help those people.

Obama said in a news conference that America has become numb to these shootings. I agree. The rest of the world is sickened by it, yet the USA seems to have this tolerance of ignoring it.

[MintyTheCat]

The official statement is that a lot of these people have mental problems. Do people who do not get laid have more mental issues than people who get laid?

It is not as cut and dry as that to state that people who do not have any sex are more mental than those who do.

However, groups and governments blame homosexuals, the poor and indeed people with mental health issues outright as it allows them never to have to deal with the outcomes and indeed make any changes and thus the problem continues.

The comments made officially by most of the US politicians who wish to get elected are small, vacuous pittances. Obama however has spoken openly about his regrets for improving the gun laws in the US but I think he stands pretty much out as being of the minority politically speaking over there.

Obama said in a news conference that America has become numb to these shootings. I agree. The rest of the world is sickened by it, yet the USA seems to have this tolerance of ignoring it.

All about money as it often boils down to it. This is a massive industry and let's face it the US followed the same pattern as many powers: France had one of the largest Armies in europe at one stage, Germany was highly militarised and so too was the UK. Indeed, the UK to this day has Arms and Defence manufacture as one of its top five industries. There's just so much money rolled up in guns. Also, it follows that people who agree with arming themselves may too be more likely to permit the use of military action and that works well politically too.

One day historians will look back at this sad state of affairs in disbelief but for the time being this will simply continue think of it as a tax paid in human civilian life.

[neorichieb1971]

I do agree that US politicians and news broadcasters use mental health as any kind of excuse. They know there is no come back to such a statement. What I don't understand is why all the killings involve kids and schools. Perhaps its a resistance equation? Or perhaps that previous attemps have been so successful and publicized.

I've said many times before the USA is a time bomb waiting to happen. I'm surprised no repercussions have occurred either, like some kids parents also get their guns out and start shooting at the perpetrators house.

Obama is out soon right? So the chances of him getting more leverage at this point are about zero.

[jonny5]

I've said many times before the USA is a time bomb waiting to happen.

No, America is a time bomb that has been going off for decades and rather than getting out of bed and getting up and dealing with the day, they've been hitting snooze so it keeps going off every 15 minutes.

[brentsg]

What I don't understand is why all the killings involve kids and schools.

It is a soft target, and they can easily maximize pain inflicted.

[Xyga]

I wouldn't expect the USA to ever come to establish a safer, more quiet and balanced type of society anyway.
This is why I feel Democrats sometimes sound funny; because we know it will never really happen (and deep down they know it too, which makes them sound fishy).
Shock, outrance and injustice are part of the USA system and culture just as much as puritanism, legalism, and a cult for performance to name a few.
In the eyes of smaller nations, all big countries with a large population seem to be running on unbeliveable contradictions anyway, when we see ourselves as more 'leveled' in comparison (not necessarilly more balanced, just not that extreme).

[MintyTheCat]

What I don't understand is why all the killings involve kids and schools.

It is a soft target, and they can easily maximize pain inflicted.

According to the findings and the article on the BBC:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34385059

"Reid Meloy, a professor of psychiatry at University of California at San Diego, says mass shooters are usually part of two groups - vulnerable adolescents and older males who are "alienated and angry".

Young adults often identify with other people very intensely. If the "rest of their adolescent life is not going well" they may identify mass shooters as "a way to capture a sense of control and potency in their own lives".

Older male mass murders tend to have more established psychological issues or mental disorders - about 25% of mass murders are psychotic when they kill, Meloy says. But more often, he says, there is a "sense of being humiliated by life - the sense of being separated from other people"."

So this would account for why schools and places with lots of teenagers would be involved.

The older, male, mass murder we have seen recently too.

[MintyTheCat]

In the eyes of smaller nations, all big countries with a large population seem to be running on unbeliveable contradictions anyway, when we see ourselves as more 'leveled' in comparison (not necessarilly more balanced, just not that extreme).

Much of this is legacy.

But all world powers have in some way established them selves through arms in part.
Britain had its banking systems and law that was wholely exported to what were at that time largely colonies.

Forget not that England too had the right to bear arms until 1920.
The US constitution being based in part on the constitution of England at the time they inherited what England had.
The main issue is that we are not talking about the musket gun here any more and we are not talking about a one shot gun used for hunting this is largely due to the advances in gun technology and the birth of automatic weapons.

Such weapons were designed primarily for war but, sadly, due to the money factor they have also found their way into the hands of anyone with enough cash to buy one who is also sane enough at the time of purchase to get a gun warrant.

So in a real sense the directives - the constitution "...right to bear arms..." is a legacy issue that has been put into a modern context with technology largely undreamed of before World War 2.

The right to bear arms as part of the english constitution was put in place in 1628 and was only revised in 1920. The USA is not that much older than the age of the english constitution and it has a way to go before it reaches that level of sanity and all the while hand weapons improve in their ability to function but law nearly always lags behind technology and often by extreme degrees.

[JBC]

Obama said in a news conference that America has become numb to these shootings. I agree. The rest of the world is sickened by it, yet the USA seems to have this tolerance of ignoring it.

Im sure a lot of people here are numb to it, but I'm not. This last one nauseated me enough to stay home the rest of the night. Locked up in my room playing games, where I'm safe. Well, moderately safe.

[BryanM]

What I don't understand is why all the killings involve kids and schools.

It is a soft target, and they can easily maximize pain inflicted.

Eh, I think it has more to do with who they hate the most.

Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger hated women who found his personality repulsive and would never ever bone him, so he killed some college girls.

What's-his-face was pissed at the gym bunnies who would never bone him, so he killed some girls at his gym.

Anders Breivik hated the "race traitors" who weren't keeping it 100% white, so he killed some kids at camp held by a liberal political party.

Maybe it's worth noting here how the 9-11 hijackers didn't fly a plane into the nuclear power plant even though it was very nearby New York. ("We don't want things to get crazy or anything." It would not have been very effective if they had, tho.)

[Skykid]

I've said many times before the USA is a time bomb waiting to happen.

No, America is a time bomb that has been going off for decades and rather than getting out of bed and getting up and dealing with the day, they've been hitting snooze so it keeps going off every 15 minutes.

That's kind of a wonderful metaphor.