Opinions on DDP DaiFukkatus BL

[evil_ash_xero]

I JUST finally got around to playing this. Black Label, I mean.

Despite despising the boss designs....did they actually make this game good? Or is the music blinding me?

I had this, but it was the vanilla version. I found it to be "there". This seems more interesting. My memory may be playing tricks on me.

[Cagar]

It's the music.

There's more cancelling in BL. In both playstyles, survival and scoring.

The rank system doesn't make sense; having high rank and just destroying everything with shot+laser gives you so many cancels that the rank doesn't even matter anymore.

These points already make it inferior to 1.5 imo. The only good thing is that there's only 1 loop (and the music obviously)

[Shepardus]

Relevant thread.
I personally don't like either all that much but prefer BL for its craziness and that you can disable autobomb (and can benefit from doing so). Neither's compelling enough for me to take it seriously but I have more immediate fun with BL.

[evil_ash_xero]

So, did Yagawa do Black Label?

And you have to admit, the music is a REAL boost.
The graphics are nice, overall. I always think about how the last DDP is just blue. Wasn't too keen on that. I still haven't gotten around to playing that.
REALLY hate the bosses. But whatever...this was Cave's loli phase. What can you do?

But it seems more manic, although you can cancel the bullets. I seem to do worse at BL.

Which I like.

I haven't fully grasped the hyper thing yet.

[Cagar]

I haven't fully grasped the hyper thing yet.

Wow you haven't fully grasped the very base mechanic of the game and already made a thread about how the game seems better?
#Farm

[Shepardus]

I haven't fully grasped the hyper thing yet.

Wow you haven't fully grasped the very base mechanic of the game and already made a thread about how the game seems better?
#Farm

Key word being "fully" - might as well say that because I haven't fully grasped chaining and made routes for every stage in DOJ I can't have a valid opinion on whether I like the chaining mechanic or even on whether my first impressions of the mechanic are positive or negative.

[Cagar]

I haven't fully grasped the hyper thing yet.

Wow you haven't fully grasped the very base mechanic of the game and already made a thread about how the game seems better?
#Farm

Key word being "fully" - might as well say that because I haven't fully grasped chaining and made routes for every stage in DOJ I can't have a valid opinion on whether I like the chaining mechanic or even on whether my first impressions of the mechanic are positive or negative.

Yes he probably has fully optimized routes too, seeing how he JUST got around to playing this and calls them "hyper things".
Let's confirm:
evil_ash_xero, were you mainly referring to specifics (length, hyper rank etc) or the basics (usage, cancelling, stocking)?

[Squire Grooktook]

He was just asking what the general opinion on the game was. He said it "feels" better to him, but was just asking to see if anyone else felt the same. He wasn't authoritatively declaring it superior or anything.

[Cagar]

He was just asking what the general opinion on the game was. He said it "feels" better to him, but was just asking to see if anyone else felt the same. He wasn't declaring it authoritatively declaring it superior or anything.

Correct.

[Bananamatic]

casuals always prefer BL because it's 1 loop only and gives more positive feedback for less effort
and then there is the music which you can just swap into 1.5 anyways

dfk bosses in general are garbage and it's not because they're anime girls but because of the gameplay design

[evil_ash_xero]

I haven't fully grasped the hyper thing yet.

Wow you haven't fully grasped the very base mechanic of the game and already made a thread about how the game seems better?
#Farm

When I say I just started playing it, I meant for less than an hour.

And I have played 1.5, but it was when it came out. And I sold it, pretty soon after I got it, due to not really being into it.

I've been on here a long time, and I don't really like being treated as a newbie. Even if my question was a bit hastily put together.

[Squire Grooktook]

I don't see what the problem with asking a question is.

[dan76]

I remember preferring Bomb mode in Black Label. You automatically face the hidden mid bosses in that mode. It's a fun clear, plus the wheels of pain in stage 5 are a bit easier.

The single loop, lack of auto bomb and rank control make this way more enjoyable than regular DFK for me, but that's because I never like DFK's scoring.

[Van_Artic]

REALLY hate the bosses. But whatever...this was Cave's loli phase. What can you do?

Lolis?

They look like Lolis to you?

whoever gets the reference wins a cookie

[Strikers1945guy]

I love BL. Crank the Reddo Guage up to max and play for survival auto bomb off. Fun as hell.

[BulletMagnet]

I remember preferring Bomb mode in Black Label. You automatically face the hidden mid bosses in that mode.

I think that was actually Power mode.

[qmish]

Is it only me who prefers original Daifukkatsu arcade music over new arranges and remixes?

EXCEPT True Final Boss theme from Black Label, which nearly breakcore.

[copy-paster]

Is it only me who prefers original Daifukkatsu arcade music over new arranges and remixes?

Stage 1 and onwards = BL. Except stage 2, 5 and TLB = original

EXCEPT True Final Boss theme from Black Label, which nearly breakcore.

Do you mean Zatsuza's theme? Yeah I liked this one.

[qmish]

Mmmm i mean what is called "Mercilessness" is DFK BL ost release. Different variations of this tune are in Cave games since Esp Ra.De., i think. And in DFK BL it is maybe the most intense.

Other then that, i stick to melodic and soft sound of arcade version. Espacially regular boss themes.

[AntiFritz]

I like the music better (except longhena cantata) aswell as the fact strong style makes the game harder whereas before it made it way easier because it's op. Also like how you can play without autobomb. But otherise I'm not really a fan of it. I also find the control scheme a little weird as I'm used to holding the shot button while lasering whereas doing that in bl would shot+laser.

[Eaglet]

Except stage 2, 5

Are you kidding?
Stage 5 BL is the best song in all of the Daifukkatsu's.

[Erppo]

BL is a silly game.

[dan76]

I remember preferring Bomb mode in Black Label. You automatically face the hidden mid bosses in that mode.

I think that was actually Power mode.

That's right, power mode. Been so long since I played it, going to fire it up now.

[copy-paster]

Stage 5 BL is the best song in all of the Daifukkatsu's.

I liked that too but the original has more feelings.

[BIL]

whoever gets the reference wins a cookie

Spoiler

[Jaimers]

DFK BL gets the reward for hardest looking game that is actually the easiest.

[KAI]

BL has rank control, rank control is super, BL is super.

[Jonst]

I prefer black label arrange, it's just more fun to me.

[jasoncslaughter]

The music is definitely better - I actually wrote an article on this with pertinent analysis (and no, I don't wish to share it atm. It needs editing, and I don't have the time for it right now). I think the tracks composed by Yoshimi Kudo made a lot of difference (he did the arrange tracks for the Xbox 360 mode of Saidaioujou as well), and Azusa Chiba's BL tracks I think are superior to her 1.5 ones as well (her use of what I call a timbral form in the stage 2 track is particularly brilliant). I think the gameplay is more fun too, for reasons already mentioned (ability to turn autobomb off, reddo gauge, etc.).

Does anyone know what Kudo has been up to lately? The Basiscape page is only updated through 2012.

[CloudyMusic]

Does anyone know what Kudo has been up to lately? The Basiscape page is only updated through 2012.

Here you go.