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I may be going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure you will 1cc whatever you want to 1cc faster if you play instead of posting about wanting to 1cc. Just a heads up for all of you who are struggling with clearing and then complain about it here.
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Do you feel nice and superior after posting that?

The funny thing is you're probably wrong.
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I'm working on a gradius iv 2 loop clear, now that i have a pretty consistent first loop it's all about the second loop and my current wall that is the rearranged moai stage, playing everyday even if just for a practice hour on certain stages so i know it's gonna come eventually.
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Blinge wrote:Do you feel nice and superior after posting that?

The funny thing is you're probably wrong.
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Sakurei wrote:I may be going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure you will 1cc whatever you want to 1cc faster if you play instead of posting about wanting to 1cc. Just a heads up for all of you who are struggling with clearing and then complain about it here.
You're wrong. Did you not see ACSeraph post the Predator handshake, a sign of solidarity and kinship between two noble souls attempting the impossible? Did you not read Blinge's words of encouragement? I feel super pumped after that, like I could destroy Gradius V just by looking at it. I am 100% convinced this thread will help me 1CC it faster.
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Sakurei wrote:I may be going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure you will 1cc whatever you want to 1cc faster if you play instead of posting about wanting to 1cc. Just a heads up for all of you who are struggling with clearing and then complain about it here.
It doesn't even take 1 minute to post here. Pretty sure that amount of time isn't going to make the difference.

Also add me to the Gradius V 1cc club. I just need to focus on that once I nail some other games I've been working on.
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Still struggling with my first 1CC (not counting Mushi Futari Novice). Spent a long while with Espgaluda until I got fed up wiping on the fourth boss. Currently playing Deathsmiles. Usually make it to the last stage with 2 - 4 lives but never manage to get my act together. It's all about grinding *sighs* Though playing on arcade having to repeat all previous stages is..so...tedious :P
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Deathsmiles is one of my only 1CCs. Keep working at it, you'll get it.

Deathsmiles IIX was a really weird 1CC. I got to the final boss for the first time with only one life left, and proceeded to thrash him. The bullet hitboxes in that game must be puny—it seemed like he hit me 10 times, but I never lost a life.
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Stompp wrote:Still struggling with my first 1CC (not counting Mushi Futari Novice). Spent a long while with Espgaluda until I got fed up wiping on the fourth boss.
I'm currently working on a Galuda 1cc. The fourth boss is one of the hardest in the game, because there's no "trick" to him, just have to be precise and survive. One thing I have found that helps is once the two pieces start joining together, he will shoot four fast rings of bullets. If you go to the top of the screen and come down at full speed (not lasering), then this part is easier.

Honestly I think the 5-1 and 5-2 bosses are easier than the 4th boss.
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city41 wrote:
Stompp wrote:Still struggling with my first 1CC (not counting Mushi Futari Novice). Spent a long while with Espgaluda until I got fed up wiping on the fourth boss.
I'm currently working on a Galuda 1cc. The fourth boss is one of the hardest in the game, because there's no "trick" to him, just have to be precise and survive. One thing I have found that helps is once the two pieces start joining together, he will shoot four fast rings of bullets. If you go to the top of the screen and come down at full speed (not lasering), then this part is easier.

Honestly I think the 5-1 and 5-2 bosses are easier than the 4th boss.
There are some "tricks" that can make the Stage 4 boss easier. He has no collision hitbox, so you can, for example, dodge the second attack of his first form by moving into him. Similarly, for the following attack, you can squeeze through him instead of going around - doing this also lets you do more damage, and you kill off the first form before having to go around his bottom part again. For the first attack of the second form, if you start in the right position and move correctly, you can kill off most of the drones it spawns before they shoot anything.

He definitely wasn't harder than Jakou for me. In fact, the very final pattern of the game is harder than the whole Stage 4 bossfight, imo.
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CWM wrote: There are some "tricks" that can make the Stage 4 boss easier. He has no collision hitbox, so you can, for example, dodge the second attack of his first form by moving into him. Similarly, for the following attack, you can squeeze through him instead of going around
Woah, that is interesting. Thanks for this, I'm going to give it a try.
the very final pattern of the game is harder than the whole Stage 4 bossfight, imo.
This pattern varies, and I haven't figured out why. Sometimes the gems shoot straight across and it's very hard. Other times they shoot diagonally and that makes it much easier. They seem to revert to diagonal shooting if you die. But every once in a while, they start out diagonal for me.


And FWIW I still have not 1cc'd this game and I'm pretty green to shmups so I may be saying stupid things.
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For me Espgaluda is kind of a painful 1cc because it feels like most of the game is super easy by Cave standards and then the final stretch of the game really brings it.

For Espgaluda 2 my problem (among other problems) is just that the 4th boss fight is sooooooo long. I've come close, bit never beat it on one credit.
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city41 wrote:
CWM wrote: There are some "tricks" that can make the Stage 4 boss easier. He has no collision hitbox, so you can, for example, dodge the second attack of his first form by moving into him. Similarly, for the following attack, you can squeeze through him instead of going around
Woah, that is interesting. Thanks for this, I'm going to give it a try.
the very final pattern of the game is harder than the whole Stage 4 bossfight, imo.
This pattern varies, and I haven't figured out why. Sometimes the gems shoot straight across and it's very hard. Other times they shoot diagonally and that makes it much easier. They seem to revert to diagonal shooting if you die. But every once in a while, they start out diagonal for me.


And FWIW I still have not 1cc'd this game and I'm pretty green to shmups so I may be saying stupid things.
Espgaluda was my first Cave 1cc as well, this was maybe 4 months ago? So yes, I'm new to stgs too. :) In hindsight, it's not a very good game for a "first 1CC", due to the backloaded difficulty - it is relatively easy up to the second part of 5-1, and then the final boss is about twice as difficult as anything before him. My first clear got to him without dying, and then missed like 4 times during the fight. Then again, if you find him easier than the stage 4 boss, you should be fine.

For that final pattern, as far as I can tell - it's completely static, it loops, and randomly starts at one of two points in the loop. So even if it starts at the harder point, it'll go back to the easier one eventually. Most of the difficulty comes from the somewhat ambiguous hitboxes and the fact that you can only bomb it in a very awkward way (and you do no damage in Kakusei afaik).

I'd recommend watching Hydeux' 1-sissy video for the game, he shows most of the tricks you can use to make the game easier at various points, though you'll probably need to refine his routes a bit. Helped me a lot in the past, in any case. Just practice methodically and you'll get the clear.
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CWM wrote: Espgaluda was my first Cave 1cc as well, this was maybe 4 months ago? So yes, I'm new to stgs too. :) In hindsight, it's not a very good game for a "first 1CC", due to the backloaded difficulty - it is relatively easy up to the second part of 5-1, and then the final boss is about twice as difficult as anything before him.
Isn't that true of most shmups? It seems like the final boss is always way harder than the rest of the game.
My first clear got to him without dying, and then missed like 4 times during the fight. Then again, if you find him easier than the stage 4 boss, you should be fine.
I can defeat his first form without dying about 90% of the time. His second form I can get to the final pattern pretty consistently. The final pattern for me is hit or miss, sometimes I do well, sometimes I just totally bomb. Confidently diving in seems to work better than being apprehensive.
I'd recommend watching Hydeux' 1-sissy video for the game.
This was great, thanks. It's a more skillful clear than a lot of 1ccs on Youtube. And to be honest the final pattern awkward bomb technique will come in handy. I predict I resort to that for my first 1cc.

Also good to see how you can navigate in between the two pieces of the level 4 boss by shortcutting through his body. Once I get that down, that will remove one particular spot I tend to either die or waste bomb/kakusei. Every little bit helps.

I do think there is an even "sissier" pattern for the 5-2 boss. Completely destroy one of his wings, leave the other wing in tact. The pattern he then relies on until the next healthbar section is the easiest pattern he dishes out.
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woot, that Hydeux video helped a lot! Still no 1cc, but I just beat the game with one continue, only using the first life of that continue. Thanks for the heads up! 1cc should be soon...ish.
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Thx for all the pointers on Espgaluda :D Will power it up and give it a go again. Need a break from DS, me thinks ;)
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Stompp wrote:Will power it up and give it a go again
Did you mean "Will up power it again" :wink:
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Stompp wrote:Will power it up and give it a go again
Did you mean "Will up power it again" :wink:
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XIIZeal for me. Know the theory pretty well now, can't summon the time/patience to not get sniped and not milk more than my abilities will allow.
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I'm working on Saidaioujou 1.5 currently. It feels impossible at the moment, but Ketsui felt that way at first too. I finally have my patterns and strategy for the stage 3 battleship, so I feel like hitting the second/third extends and pushing on to the finale isn't that far off now.
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RevolGear 2 VerD Rev+EX Stage 6 is such a huge road block on Maniac mode. The second and fourth boss in the rush are manageable, but the first and third are murdering machines.

Than after you deal with the rush, you have to deal with the fifth monster of the stage. Depending on ship type/weapon you're better off not shooting at certain attacks or you're dead.

Let's not even mention Stage 7.

Let's really not mention the real final boss either. What a damn spike in an already hard difficulty. I love the variety of attacks it has though, it's literally like an STG rival battle.

Despite that this is honestly one of my favorite indie stgs and I hope to get the clear one day. Glad they decided to add maniac mode and up the difficulty in the newer version since that was the only issue with the game before.
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The only game I ever really tried to 1CC was ikaruga and even after years I still takes 3 credits!
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Tregard wrote:
You're wrong. Did you not see ACSeraph post the Predator handshake, a sign of solidarity and kinship between two noble souls attempting the impossible? Did you not read Blinge's words of encouragement? I feel super pumped after that, like I could destroy Gradius V just by looking at it. I am 100% convinced this thread will help me 1CC it faster.
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I think I'm in danger of getting into Ibara. Any advice on pure survival?
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Weak Boson wrote:I think I'm in danger of getting into Ibara. Any advice on pure survival?
My first survival clear came quick, I avoided excess powerups, saved up hadous to use against bosses (though there are a few points during the stages where they come in handy), and I think I even avoided medals. If you have enough hadous for bosses, you barely even fight them, including the last two Lace and Theresa. The difficulty of Ibara is hugely over-rated imho.
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I want to try 1CCing Raiden II but my main issue is getting through stage 1 unscathed, for some reason every time I try to pointblank the first walker boss it kills me? I'm not sure why because the turret doesn't turn to do the spread attack but it acts like I smacked into the turret.

That and I keep getting nailed by the sniper tanks.
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Zeether wrote:I want to try 1CCing Raiden II but my main issue is getting through stage 1 unscathed, for some reason every time I try to pointblank the first walker boss it kills me? I'm not sure why because the turret doesn't turn to do the spread attack but it acts like I smacked into the turret.
1) Make sure you're running latest MAME
2) Stay around the top of the turret (where it should shoot the aimed shot at you once it turns). The other side of it has bullets shooting out in a four-way pattern that will count as hits if you're too close to them.

Hope this helps. :)
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