Whats Next From CAVE

shariar07 · Post by **shariar07** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:23 pm

Since Espgaulda 2 is already out in Arcades and there is eventually going to be Ibara 2 on the horizon. What is next?

I think cave might be working on a Dondopachi Daijou sequel or a Mushihime-Sama sequel.

What do you guys think or do you guys think it will be a new project.
Give me you shout outs, hollar

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:39 pm

I faintly recall a statement from Cave stating that the DonPachi series was meant to be a trilogy (aside from DDP2, which they didn't develop), and that they weren't planning to make another one...I might recall incorrectly though.

As far as what might be next, I couldn't guess, really...in any event, we'll know when they decide.

Ramus · Post by **Ramus** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:41 pm

Probably a sequel of some sort, but I'd still play it anyways and still probably love it.

Rob · Post by **Rob** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 10:45 pm

Good question, there really aren't enough Cave games. My guess is either:

1. A sequel.
2. A game that is not a sequel.

Usually when Cave announces a new game there's a 20 page thread within a day, so I'm sure we'll know when that happens.

zak · Post by **zak** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:39 pm

A PS2 boxed set of their complete works

(including a nice A4 art book!)

Post by **Icarus** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:50 pm

zak wrote:A PS2 boxed set of their complete works (including a nice A4 art book!)

That would be nice. ^_-
(I'd prefer an A3 artbook and A1 poster set, though ^_-)

My vote's on Cave producing something that features chaining, lots of pink bullets, and plenty of cleavage.

... Whaaaaat?? Like they haven't been drifting in that direction for some number of years now ^_-

Post by **undamned** » Wed Jan 18, 2006 11:52 pm

As far as sequels, I wouldn't mind a Guwange II. Other than that I'm kinda tired of the other sequels and would like to see something fresh, mabye even weird, like something non ship based. Maybe something still 2D, but along the lines of Rez, where you are an energy form and you evolve.
-ud

Geezer · Post by **Geezer** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:12 am

Guwange is definitely the game that I'd like to see a sequel to

I recall Ibara 2 was mentioned in some sort of financial report last year, did that turn out to be Black Label or will there be a 'true' Ibara sequel?

velocity7 · Post by **velocity7** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:28 am

Would like a Ketsui port... if not that, Ketsui 2 followed by a port.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:29 am

There's speculation each way, but after hearing whitey's comment in the other thread, it appears that Black Label is indeed a 100-print run of Ibara with some changes... none of which any one on Earth besides Cave knows specifics on, and Ibara 2 is to come sometime down the road.

I'd love to see Guwnage II or ESPRade II, but I'm very confident that they would not do these sequels w/o Joker Jun. He even mentioned in [ur=http://japan.classicgaming.gamespy.com/ ... d=1301&p=1]that interview[/url] in Continue that he would one day return to the gaming world, and would like to do ESPRade II. Fingers crossed. AFAIK, he's still working on Otogi Matsuri. Not sure how long it's slated for though.

whitey · Post by **whitey** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:44 am

Ibara 2 will be shown at AOU 2006 at the end of february. If it is on the same sort of release schedule that Ibara was on it should get released at the end of June 2006.

Who knows after that......

I am sure they are not done with Mushi. If I had to guess, Mushi 2 is already in development. I am not sure I want any sequals. Something original would be nice.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 12:50 am

I wouldn't mind a Mushi sequel as long as there was a better scoring system. It jus seemed so unimaginative to me.

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:14 am

If cave ever released a pcb with a run of only 100 copies, that pcb would sell for an astronimcal amount. Why would they sell it for $2200 when collectors would pay 3x-5x (or maybe more) that amount for the game?

Valgar · Post by **Valgar** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 1:50 am

Even NCSX put up pre-orders for it.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 2:48 am

I would really like them to make another Laputa style adventure in a "classical" setting(like Progear). Or make another horizontal shooter.

Or like I said in other threads, I'd love to see them make a Parodia/Parodius style cute 'em up. Imagine epic Cave bullet storms and blasting through them with cute characters.

I'd also like to see them sign on a composer like Sakimoto, the soundtracks really need more "oomph." You'd think they would be interested in this themselves as they are sponsors of fine music such as jazz concerts (do they sponsor classical concerts too?). Maybe Sakimoto-san commands a high price? Hmmm.

whitey · Post by **whitey** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 3:18 am

zlk wrote:If cave ever released a pcb with a run of only 100 copies, that pcb would sell for an astronimcal amount. Why would they sell it for $2200 when collectors would pay 3x-5x (or maybe more) that amount for the game?

I highly doubt it is only 100, but who knows.

Cave dosen't even consider the crazys like us. They are marketing to arcade operators, and Ibara is an old game now, so not many will be willing to pay $2k for a slightly revised game. (Especially when they can still buy Ibara for less than $800)

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:25 am

whitey wrote:
zlk wrote:If cave ever released a pcb with a run of only 100 copies, that pcb would sell for an astronimcal amount. Why would they sell it for $2200 when collectors would pay 3x-5x (or maybe more) that amount for the game?
I highly doubt it is only 100, but who knows.

Cave dosen't even consider the crazys like us. They are marketing to arcade operators, and Ibara is an old game now, so not many will be willing to pay $2k for a slightly revised game. (Especially when they can still buy Ibara for less than $800)

Wow, it's hard to imagine that shmups are that mainstream over there. Of course Cave makes PCB's to sell them to arcades. [smacks head] I guess it makes sense; if you're aiming at home gamers you just sell console games. Here in America, well, there are no arcade operators, unless you happen to live by a D&B or GW.

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:28 am

I hope Cave takes a break from sequels and makes an original game. Though a sequel to either Dangun, Ketsui, or Guwange would be cool, as long as the game system significantly changes. Original games > sequels, no matter how much I like a series.

elvis · Post by **elvis** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:34 am

Dandy J wrote: Original games > sequels, no matter how much I like a series.

That's a very broad statement. Instantly I think of DonPachi vs DoDonPachi and know which I prefer.

whitey · Post by **whitey** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 4:36 am

whitey wrote:
zlk wrote:If cave ever released a pcb with a run of only 100 copies, that pcb would sell for an astronimcal amount. Why would they sell it for $2200 when collectors would pay 3x-5x (or maybe more) that amount for the game?
I highly doubt it is only 100, but who knows.

Cave dosen't even consider the crazys like us. They are marketing to arcade operators, and Ibara is an old game now, so not many will be willing to pay $2k for a slightly revised game. (Especially when they can still buy Ibara for less than $800)

I think I see your point now zlk....

If they made 100 and instead of selling to arcade operators marketed to collectors they probably could make 3x-5x more money.

Post by **Dave_K.** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 6:09 am

whitey wrote: If they made 100 and instead of selling to arcade operators marketed to collectors they probably could make 3x-5x more money.

Exactly, so its highly unlikely Cave went through all this trouble just to produce 100 boards at the regular "new issue" price.

Dandy J · Post by **Dandy J** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:33 am

elvis wrote:That's a very broad statement. Instantly I think of DonPachi vs DoDonPachi and know which I prefer.

That was also 10 years ago, Cave has come a long way. I don't think sequels they make today make as big as a gameplay jump as they did back in the day.

For example, ESPGaluda is one of my favorite Cave games, and while everything I've seen and heard about ESPG2 makes me think it's better in every way, I would've still perferred the potential of an original game.

CIT · Post by **CIT** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 8:40 am

I'm pretty sure Cave will make a Mushi 2 soon.

We'll probably also get something original before too long though, I think.

whitey wrote:I highly doubt it is only 100, but who knows.

Cave dosen't even consider the crazys like us. They are marketing to arcade operators, and Ibara is an old game now, so not many will be willing to pay $2k for a slightly revised game. (Especially when they can still buy Ibara for less than $800)

If you check the arcade listings, only about 35 arcades in Japan have DOJ Black Label, so I think there's definitely only 100 copies, and Cave are most certainly also targeting private buyers.

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Thu Jan 19, 2006 11:11 am

(PS2) Ports of ESPGaluda 2 and Ketsui are my number one wishes, of course. Direct sequels of ESP Ra.De. or Progear wouldn't be bad, of course for arcades first. I didn't care too much for Guwange so I'm not too hot on a sequel for that one.

doctorx0079 · Post by **doctorx0079** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 8:03 am

elvis wrote:
Dandy J wrote: Original games > sequels, no matter how much I like a series.
That's a very broad statement. Instantly I think of DonPachi vs DoDonPachi and know which I prefer.

How 'bout Raiden versus Raiden II. Hmm?? Darius vs. G. Darius. Okay, I think I've made my point.

GaijinPunch · Post by **GaijinPunch** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 12:37 pm

Dandy J wrote:
elvis wrote:For example, ESPGaluda is one of my favorite Cave games, and while everything I've seen and heard about ESPG2 makes me think it's better in every way, I would've still perferred the potential of an original game.

I'm torn. ESPGaluda II is great. To be honest, I would've been just as happy w/o the new kakusei mode. I like the original scoring mode -- it really sucked me in. Mushi's left me a bit dry. Thus, I was happy to see the sequel. But, even after shelling out full price for the kit, I think I can say that I like the original better... only by a small margin though.

Post by **Icarus** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 2:50 pm

Y'know, I was thinking of the Cave ~Tribute Series~, where Cave select an old-school devteam or an individual programmer, and work closely together with them on a tribute game, like they dd with Ibara and Garegga's head programmer S. Yagawa.

How ace would it be if they worked with a Technosoft prgrammer on the mother of all horizontal shmups? Thunderforce/Hyper Duel speed and gameplay with Cave-like bullet patterns and polish, anyone? ^_^

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 3:05 pm

i dont care too much for sequels, however i would like to see them pick up Outzone again, ormake another horisontal scroller thats not a sequel to progear.

man im still torn between either getting Ibara black label or ibara + espgaluda 2 kits..

Ord · Post by **Ord** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:02 pm

Icarus wrote:Y'know, I was thinking of the Cave ~Tribute Series~, where Cave select an old-school devteam or an individual programmer, and work closely together with them on a tribute game, like they dd with Ibara and Garegga's head programmer S. Yagawa.

How ace would it be if they worked with a Technosoft prgrammer on the mother of all horizontal shmups? Thunderforce/Hyper Duel speed and gameplay with Cave-like bullet patterns and polish, anyone? ^_^

Don't man, just dont!!! Yer making me explode (in a great yet very ugly way) at the thought of that truly magnificent idea.

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Fri Jan 20, 2006 4:02 pm

Most likely mushihimesama 2, but I'd like to see a return to esprade if cave are insistent on sequels.

Also, an outzone update would be damn nice