futari 1.5 vs black label

[pokemon123]

I feel like i'm going to be mauled for this for some reason but out of curiosity what version did you prefer. This was after I saw some discussion about people being sad about 1.5 to BL conversions.


Anyway I personally prefer 1.5 although maybe that is because I have played it more. I like it's simple scoring a bit more.

[Shepardus]

I'm sure this question has been discussed to death elsewhere but I'm too lazy to look for where.

The Black Label ships feel kind of overpowered to me, but God > Ultra.

[pokemon123]

I'm sure this question has been discussed to death elsewhere but I'm too lazy to look for where.

The Black Label ships feel kind of overpowered to me, but God > Ultra.

Really? couldn't find anything,

[Special World]

black label is massively better imo

I can see why somebody might like the strictness of 1.5 maniac and the different ship options, but black label crushes 1.5 for me

haven't played 1.5 more than a couple of times since downloading BL

[endoKarb]

Black Label is way deeper for scoring in all modes (except maybe maniac? not sure), but I tend to prefer 1.5.
I guess it feels "cleaner" and more polished to me.

[Pretas]

Where's the v1.1 option?

[CStarFlare]

1.5 for Original, BL for other.

EDIT: 1.1 isn't an option/a thing

[iconoclast]

Black Label is better overall.

BL Original > 1.5 Original - I prefer 1.5 Original because I'm not a fan of the "point blank everything & dodge lightning fast bullets before they spawn" type of design, but there's no doubt that BL has a ton more depth.
1.5 Maniac > BL Maniac - BL Maniac is worse in every way.
God Mode > Ultra - God Mode on its own would make Futari BL the best video game of all time. Ultra is good too.

[pokemon123]

Since Pretas wanted it I have added the v.101.

This is closer than I thought.

EDIT: woops didn't realize that would reset the vote option, oh well

[jepjepjep]

I voted 1.5. For my skill level, I prefer 1.5 original and maniac modes. They seem to be better balanced overall, particularly with the boss battles. Ultra is crazy though. The perfect game for me would be 1.5 Original and Maniac with BL God.

[ninn]

I like the bullet density of BL Original. But I dont like being overpowered.

As said in another thread, I am kinda disapointed with BL Maniac.

Although, I like the new colors of BL. The Gems look better, the stages look better.


Mixed bag. I voted for 1.5, because I think it is the better deal.

[Eaglet]

BL of course. No competition. 1,5 is only good for Ultra.
If you want to become insane.

[Erppo]

God mode gives the answer.

[Strikers1945guy]

My preference is Maniac so that puts me in the 1.5 boat. I can't stand Ultra and for BL God mode gets so slow even for a cave game during those cancels its just like swimming through sludge..... soooo.... sllloowwww

[ninn]

Please edit the poll, someone accidentally voted for 1.01 ...

[Skykid]

The perfect game for me would be 1.5 Original and Maniac with BL God.

This.

1.5 original is just a better balance of scoring and survival imo, and the one I enjoyed the most. BL Original is utterly throwaway unless you're playing for score, and playing for score is punishing - too much to be fun for me.

BL Maniac is balls. A far lesser version of 1.5, and I don't like 1.5 Maniac much.

Only God > Ultra rings true. Ultra's too masochistic. God strikes the balance right, and it's great.

Overall 1.5 for me, but fuck me I'm sick of Mushihimesama Futari. SICK OF IT.

Sick of hearing about it. Sick of playing it. Sick of seeing it. Sick of all the people that got into shmups because of it. Sick of seeing it on everyone's favourite list. Sick of hearing about it being everyone's favourite shmup. Sick of crap players citing BL original as "the most fun game ever because I 1cc'd it". Sick of all of original Mushihimesama's better elements being strangely ignored in light of the sequel. Sick of no-one realising the first two stages are fucking boring.

Go play Mars Matrix and stop dicking about with multicoloured bugs.

[Bananamatic]

ultra is the shit

[Strikers1945guy]

I will agree with skykid in the sense that I've burned out on Futari. But that's what happens with a great game right? If it was a poor game I wouldn't have sunk hundreds of hours into it. Not sure if you entirely meant this skykid but if you did I also agree the original Mushi >>> Futari any day... for me at least

[Skykid]

I will agree with skykid in the sense that I've burned out on Futari. But that's what happens with a great game right? If it was a poor game I wouldn't have sunk hundreds of hours into it. Not sure if you entirely meant this skykid but if you did I also agree the original Mushi >>> Futari any day... for me at least

I meant it!

Futari is certainly the superior scoring game, I admit. But OG Mushi has so many amazing things: better atmosphere, soundtrack, stage design, pacing, boss patterns. It's a great game, totally overshadowed by constant Futari white noise.

Also BL winning this poll. Lol. Da BL Original 1cc club out in force.

[Ko.oS]

the BL god 2cc club, more like...


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[Weak Boson]

I've not played the Maniac modes on either but I can see how 1.5's would be better. Every time I tried BL Maniac I just ended up wanting to play God mode. 1.5 Maniac seems like more of thing in its own right. Looking forward to exploring it one day.

God mode is amazing, though, pretty much everything I could ask for from a CAVE game.

As far as the Original modes go, I really liked BL scoring. Point blanking everything, gems bleeding everywhere, then the rank kicks in and things get faster and the points gets bigger and then you hit 100k and it's like a whole new game. I found I ran up into a wall with it, though, because the punishment for death is so severe, it feels like one mistake not only destroys your score but also makes the rest of the game less fun to play. That made me lose motivation at some point.

I like 1.5 Original and I'm more likely to play it for a bit of casual "let's see how far I can get" shmupping than BL, but I've never felt compelled to improve my score like I did in BL.

So BL wins for me, but I'm happy to have more of 1.5 left to explore.

[CloudyMusic]

God mode is amazing, though, pretty much everything I could ask for from a CAVE game.

As far as the Original modes go, I really liked BL scoring. Point blanking everything, gems bleeding everywhere, then the rank kicks in and things get faster and the points gets bigger and then you hit 100k and it's like a whole new game. I found I ran up into a wall with it, though, because the punishment for death is so severe, it feels like one mistake not only destroys your score but also makes the rest of the game less fun to play. That made me lose motivation at some point.

I like 1.5 Original and I'm more likely to play it for a bit of casual "let's see how far I can get" shmupping than BL, but I've never felt compelled to improve my score like I did in BL.

So BL wins for me, but I'm happy to have more of 1.5 left to explore.

This sums up my feelings pretty closely. I will say, at least, that BL Maniac was enjoyable as a short-term stepping stone to God for me back when I was still pretty new and could appreciate the low difficulty, and it felt a lot more forgiving than 1.5 Maniac. Once you start in on God, though, there's really zero reason to ever go back, and the difficulty in God is (IMO) really well-balanced.

As far as Original goes, I just find BL Original scoring to be more exciting and engaging than 1.5 Original, too. The penalty for death is pretty severe and that can be a little frustrating at times, but the feeling you get when you're really nailing it and have so many gems pouring out of everything that you can't even catch them all is great.

I'd still really like to delve into 1.5 scoring at some point, but it's definitely a lower priority than a lot of other stuff I want to work on.

[endoKarb]

What's people problem with BL Maniac?
I've only played 1.5 maniac a little, is the BL version that bad?

[Some-Mist]

edit: beat in a matter of seconds on the same question haha

black label for me...

I'm actually curious about this tho:

1.5 Maniac > BL Maniac - BL Maniac is worse in every way.

your skill level is leagues above mine, and I'm actually curious why you (along with others) are a bigger fan of 1.5 maniac opposed to bl maniac? bl maniac clear is so much more fun for me than 1.5 maniac. Is it the easier difficulty? bullet spreads?

I can definitely see liking God > Ultra especially since the "maniac-esque scoring bar" is such a fun concept.

[iconoclast]

For me, it mainly comes down to the chaining meter. It's a lot more strict in 1.5, so in order to maximize your multiplier, you have to use the zako enemies to create chains that lead into a larger enemy. In BL, you can just hold the rapid fire button and max out your meter in a couple of seconds, so the stages are much less interesting as a result. Take this centipede, for example. You have to wait until the ladybugs fly into you before your chain just barely reaches the red, at which point you only have a few frames to kill the centipede for a large gem cancel. You don't need to worry about stuff like that in BL.

BL Maniac is still a perfectly fine game on its own, though. The only bad thing I'd say about it is that Black Label's end bonus is way too big for Maniac, since it's the lowest scoring mode of the bunch.

[Necronopticous]

1.5 Maniac is the finest STG ever created.

[Some-Mist]

For me, it mainly comes down to the chaining meter. It's a lot more strict in 1.5, so in order to maximize your multiplier, you have to use the zako enemies to create chains that lead into a larger enemy. In BL, you can just hold the rapid fire button and max out your meter in a couple of seconds, so the stages are much less interesting as a result. Take this centipede, for example. You have to wait until the ladybugs fly into you before your chain just barely reaches the red, at which point you only have a few frames to kill the centipede for a large gem cancel. You don't need to worry about stuff like that in BL.

BL Maniac is still a perfectly fine game on its own, though. The only bad thing I'd say about it is that Black Label's end bonus is way too big for Maniac, since it's the lowest scoring mode of the bunch.

thanks for this - it makes sense. I never realized that this was such a common opinion until this thread too.

[pokemon123]

I will agree with skykid in the sense that I've burned out on Futari. But that's what happens with a great game right? If it was a poor game I wouldn't have sunk hundreds of hours into it. Not sure if you entirely meant this skykid but if you did I also agree the original Mushi >>> Futari any day... for me at least

I meant it!

Futari is certainly the superior scoring game, I admit. But OG Mushi has so many amazing things: better atmosphere, soundtrack, stage design, pacing, boss patterns. It's a great game, totally overshadowed by constant Futari white noise.

Also BL winning this poll. Lol. Da BL Original 1cc club out in force.

I feel like I would like mushihimesama a lot better if I didn't have to play it on an iphone and if I had version 1.5. sorry skykid : (

[BareKnuckleRoo]

ultra is the shit

1.01 Ultra is the shit.

not really 1.01 scoring mechanics are pretty awful

[Squire Grooktook]

I can see why somebody might like the strictness of 1.5 maniac and the different ship options,

Playing 1.5 Original with Abnormal Reco is basically the only reason Eschatos ever comes out of my 360 disc tray.

So yeah, no thanks BL. 1.5 aaaaaalllll the way.