Hello guys,
I'm desperately looking for some advice, it's been a while since I first heard of Dodonpachi and started playing the game, and I now face some issues reaching my goal.
I thought that a good way to work on my determination (I'm basically a loser and tend to give up on everything the moment I get stuck) would be to get a nice (but realistic, I'm not dreaming) spot on both the Dodonpachi and Dodonpachi Daioujou boards, and work until I could fulfill that goal.
I thought that playing regularly and staying focused would be enough to at least scoring ok on the four first stages of DDP, however I'm not making any progress.
If I play "for fun" a few hours, it is likely that I will complete the first loop with a terrible score (~40Mil) but if I spend that time trying to score I just will get nowhere. The only parts I can chain every run are the first stage and sometimes the second one, but beyond that I've never managed to chain anything other than by luck for maybe the past year.
I read a lot of things about STGs, including a lot of posts in here, watched a lot of superplays, but nothing seems to help : the moment I start playing for score its like my brain freezes, and I just can't stay focused or set clear objectives.
I think some of you must've been through something similar, and I'd like to know, if you did, what allowed you to go beyond that and start getting some actual results ?
Can you think of something I may be doing wrong ?
I mean, F*CK, it can't be that hard !!.. ;]
RQ: Dodonpachi Chaining
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RQ: Dodonpachi Chaining
Last edited by Yukemi-ZWY on Tue Dec 16, 2014 4:03 pm, edited 2 times in total.
Re: Dodonpachi Chaining
I agree with you on that one.
No matter how hard I try, DDP chaining is nearly impossible to me. However I could chain almost all of Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga.
So I just let it down and clear the first loop with those 20 millions, yay.
Also waiting for advices here.
No matter how hard I try, DDP chaining is nearly impossible to me. However I could chain almost all of Radiant Silvergun and Ikaruga.
So I just let it down and clear the first loop with those 20 millions, yay.
Also waiting for advices here.
Bravo jolie Ln, tu as trouvé : l'armée de l'air c'est là où on peut te tenir par la main.
Re: RQ: Dodonpachi Chaining
I too suck at DoDonPachi chaining, for me the strictness of the timing demands a level of memorization that I always have trouble dealing with given my propensity to improvise most of my way through the basic dodging requirements. Any tips on figuring out how to set up routes and consistently replicate them would be gladly appreciated.
Re: RQ: Dodonpachi Chaining
This is My Dumb Personal Opinion, but I'd try learning daioujou black label chaining (which is less strict) and if you get the hang of that, learn dodonpachi chaining.
1) Watch a superplay
2) Practice the first 10 seconds of the first stage (from that superplay) until you get it consistently enough
3) When you do, set a savestate and practice the next 10 seconds
4) Repeat
By the way, just learning ONE stage and being able to full chain it consistently will require you to practice several days in a row. And even then you will not be consistent at it every day you sit down and practice it again, there will be some things that you coincidentally always did right the previous days, and now you are discovering that you don't know what you were doing to make it consistent before. That's OK - you will focus on that, learn what you didn't know and now it is part of your route forever (assuming you write it down or make video evidence of it). This is all from my personal experience of playing dojbl. Every time you discover a new way to fuck up the full chain, discover how it happened and write/record it and you will gradually exhaust all the ways to fail until all that's left is success.
Two examples:
1) If you get a power-up and it resets your laser, the time it takes for the laser to travel to the enemy may be too long and your chain breaks. I didn't realize this was why I sometimes broke my chain at a certain point in stage 1, until stage 2 when I realized it was happening on the midboss fight. Then I went back and looked at that point in stage 1 again, and now knew to avoid the power-up.
2) Some mistakes that cause a chain to break result from going TOO fast. When you were just learning the route, you were slow and hesitant in places, and so you didn't need to know that going too fast was a problem. Now that you are more confident, you are failing to do something that was implicit/coincidental before and discovering a new way to fail that you have to account for by thinking of where to deliberately slow down, or a visual/audio cue to wait for.
1) Watch a superplay
2) Practice the first 10 seconds of the first stage (from that superplay) until you get it consistently enough
3) When you do, set a savestate and practice the next 10 seconds
4) Repeat
By the way, just learning ONE stage and being able to full chain it consistently will require you to practice several days in a row. And even then you will not be consistent at it every day you sit down and practice it again, there will be some things that you coincidentally always did right the previous days, and now you are discovering that you don't know what you were doing to make it consistent before. That's OK - you will focus on that, learn what you didn't know and now it is part of your route forever (assuming you write it down or make video evidence of it). This is all from my personal experience of playing dojbl. Every time you discover a new way to fuck up the full chain, discover how it happened and write/record it and you will gradually exhaust all the ways to fail until all that's left is success.
Two examples:
1) If you get a power-up and it resets your laser, the time it takes for the laser to travel to the enemy may be too long and your chain breaks. I didn't realize this was why I sometimes broke my chain at a certain point in stage 1, until stage 2 when I realized it was happening on the midboss fight. Then I went back and looked at that point in stage 1 again, and now knew to avoid the power-up.
2) Some mistakes that cause a chain to break result from going TOO fast. When you were just learning the route, you were slow and hesitant in places, and so you didn't need to know that going too fast was a problem. Now that you are more confident, you are failing to do something that was implicit/coincidental before and discovering a new way to fail that you have to account for by thinking of where to deliberately slow down, or a visual/audio cue to wait for.
My 1CCs and roguelike wins: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/560 ... CCs%20.txt
Re: RQ: Dodonpachi Chaining
I am in a compareable situation being stuck with DDP, except that I even cannot even clear the first loop (yes, I am bad)... Therefore, I am not even thinking about chaining. To overcome this, I came to the same conclusion as Patashu:
You need to train more systematically. Try to learn form the good guys by watching superplays. Then, use MAME to be able to use save states. Separate each stage into sections and train each section again and again by using save states.
I am thinking about this for quite some time now because I really want to 1CC DDP. But I have 1 big problem with this: I do not like emulation... Therefore, when I want to play, I always end up playing the real thing, dying again and again at the same spots...
You need to train more systematically. Try to learn form the good guys by watching superplays. Then, use MAME to be able to use save states. Separate each stage into sections and train each section again and again by using save states.
I am thinking about this for quite some time now because I really want to 1CC DDP. But I have 1 big problem with this: I do not like emulation... Therefore, when I want to play, I always end up playing the real thing, dying again and again at the same spots...
Re: RQ: Dodonpachi Chaining
HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN !!