Scart PS2 + framemeister problem

[wyvernshill]

Hello everyone,

My framemeister is working perfectly and i am in love with it
However, for the moment i use component for the PS2, i read several times the scart might be preferable over the component and i do feel the component image i see isn't up to snuff. So basically i want to try and see the difference for myself.

So i tried hooking it up trough scart and change the console to RGB. I do get an image but the signal keeps being dropped by the xrgb mini.
It cant hold the image for more than one or two seconds. I modified the sync setting all the way from 0 to maximum but it just wont work.

Now i live in Europe, so i have a JP21 to euro scart converter. The PS2 however is an NTSC model (several good games were only coming out in the US.)
The scart cable itself is an original PS2 scart cable. Bought here in Europe. So i wouldn't think it would be different then and the cable works fine if i plug it into the tv directly.

Anything i can try to get a stable image on the framemeister ?

P.S. Can anyone recommend a cheap scart block (several scart connections to one scart out to the framemeister) that works perfectly. It doesn't have to be an automatic one.
I have a scart "merger" (what is the correct term) that supports full RGB, but when i plug my consoles into it it has a faint ghosting image on it. Once you notice it you cannot unsee it ...

[Thomago]

As you live in Europe you should give this switch a try: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bandridge-Premi ... B0015YYN1W

I tried about 10 Scart switches myself (from cheap to very expensive) and this was the only one that gave me no noticable picture and sound degradation (besides a minimal loss in brightness that is to be expected from passive switches).

Also, regarding component input: Try switching the Mini from HDMI to DVI output - in my case that brought about a BIG improvement in picture quality.

[wyvernshill]

My tv has no DVI input, i can try to connect an DVI cable trough a DVI ==> HDMI convertor, but i suppose that will defeat its purpose of a better signal.

The scart selector you showed is interesting, however it seems out of stock since a long time now. I'll look around for it.

[Thomago]

My tv has no DVI input, i can try to connect an DVI cable trough a DVI ==> HDMI convertor, but i suppose that will defeat its purpose of a better signal.

You don't need to change anything in your setup - just push the button in the upper right of your remote You can change the DVI output resolution in the correspondent menu (just like changing the HDMI output resolution / output frequency; DVI output btw strictly uses the same output frequency HDMI mode output is set to).

The scart selector you showed is interesting, however it seems out of stock since a long time now. I'll look around for it.

Just saw that myself. Man, buying another one some months ago seems to have been a lucky strike

[austin532]

I thought the Keene Scart Commander was considered the best Scart switch out there?

Doesn't switching to DVI mode introduce more lag? Also I see no difference in quality between HDMI and DVI mode while using RGB. Haven't tried Component yet but I am a bit confused as to how the quality would be better if DVI and HDMI are the same minus the sound. I do like how you can get even scanlines on 1280 x 960 versus 720p in HDMI mode. Is that what you mean by better quality? A slightly better resolution?

What do you mean by DVI uses the same output frequency as whatever HDMI mode output is set to? Why would it affect it anyway if HDMI mode is disabled when using DVI?

[BuckoA51]

Some people have problems with the KSC's too, though mine were flawless, well, I say flawless, I had to turn off auto switching.

The Bandridge switch is reliably reported as not properly isolating all its inputs so I wouldn't personally use it myself.

[Thomago]

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[Thomago]

The Bandridge switch is reliably reported as not properly isolating all its inputs so I wouldn't personally use it myself.

Which I can't confirm - with 5 devices connected and on, I couldn't find any problems indicating lacking isolotion. However, I use SCART port 5 (the one port said to be problematic) only for audio.

[Thomago]

Doesn't switching to DVI mode introduce more lag?

Why should it?

Also I see no difference in quality between HDMI and DVI mode while using RGB. Haven't tried Component yet but I am a bit confused as to how the quality would be better if DVI and HDMI are the same minus the sound.

To my understanding switiching to DVI forces the Mini's outpout to RGB in 0-255 range, thereby avoiding a bunch of problems that might lead to the component image not looking "up to snuff".

What do you mean by DVI uses the same output frequency as whatever HDMI mode output is set to? Why would it affect it anyway if HDMI mode is disabled when using DVI?

If you switch HDMI output to 50 Hz (e.g. by choosing 1080p50 - not an unlikely scenario for an European user), DVI output uses 50 Hz.
If you switch HDMI output to 60 Hz (e.g. by choosing 720p50), DVI output uses 60 Hz.
It's dumb - I would rather like to switch the DVI output's frequency directly respectively the Mini doing that automatically - but at least it works.

[wyvernshill]

The scart switch looks nice, but a 100 pounds is just too much, its close to 125 € or so for me. I cannot justify that.

I tried the DVI trick and indeed it works, so i suppose its not really dvi out but uses just the timings of a PC rather than that of a tv and offers you the relevant resolutions going with it.

Thanks already for the suggestions

[Thomago]

Woah, 125 €? I bought my switches for less than 20 €...