Horrible prices on shmups.

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BIL wrote:Truth
Exactly the same. I always find reasons to commit to my games, time depending, and prune the unworthy. I like to think my collection is lean and very mean. No PAL 50hz bullshit or painful box art poisoning the shelves.

So far this year I managed Ys 1, 2, 3 & 4, Zelda LBW, Drac X 1cc and Lords of Thunder 1cc, but I'm way too distracted by alcohol and pussy. I don't know where my priorities lie anymore, but you only live once. I'm sure I can do a gaming reconnaissance when I'm too old to want to get out of bed (40 or something.)

I won CIB SFC Hagane like new on an eBay auction for a neat opening price of two-pounds and fifty-pence in 2010. No complaints. Game is godly awesome. What's the going rate now then?
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FOUSANDS ^_~ NTSCU's been ridiculous for years, ofc. SFC seems to have crept up past £100 more recently. Might be more, I generally don't note prices on stuff I already have unless it's poke in the eye obvious like Demon's Blazon, which for some reason seems to have gone nuts in the last couple years. Dracula XX is getting up there too, now that I would offload! But I never had it to begin with!
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I've got Drac XX but it was about 30 quid from YHJ. Im very reticent to part with SFC, that stuff's my ultimate in gaming crack so it can stay. I still consider it an interesting novelty.

So Hagane's gone over 100 has it? That chap I won it from must be wondering what the hell happened. I thought it was a good deal at the time but had no idea whether or not it was desirable, just recalled it from Super Play one day and thought I'd try and find one. Easier done than said.

Maybe I'll make that my next 1cc. That game is so ripe for it.
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Yep, just put Hagane on again - game is so rich. It's tough, but I think I might attempt it. I'm still feeling unfinished business with Goku Makaimura Kai though, I came so close to the 2-all but it defeated me one too many times (it's a hell of a long run) and I lost interest.

Hagane is damn alluring, but maybe I should go back and give Makai one more shot first. Not sure.

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I generally don't note prices on stuff I already have unless it's poke in the eye obvious like Demon's Blazon
Holy... you weren't kidding. I haven't price checked much since I fled the country, what's going on? I think these eBayers are really taking the piss to be honest with you. I got Blazon for peanuts, maybe £15 or so, and it really wasn't that long ago.

The thing is about SFC is that I felt I'd been slacking on my favourite console and always knew for some reason its games were relatively inexpensive compared to Saturn, which I was after religiously for years. When I noticed a slight upturn in values I figured I better act before getting priced out, and switched all my attention to hunting down stuff I wanted. Those were the days I once got 45 SFC games in one SMJ box (built up over the course of a few months) - but retrospectively, Jesus, I got nearly all these games for next to nothing comparatively. Glad I had the sense to kick it into gear when I did.
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TWITCHDOCTOR wrote:Yea, I'm joking here, but really I do toss out those spine cards. What worth do they really have anyway!?

Bottom Line...
Its only worth what someone is willing to pay.
Have to agree about spinecards- they really are a joke extra, and it's so much cheaper to just buy without!
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There is a woman on the UK Ebay currently trying to flog Espgaluda II for £55 and MHSF for about £90. That's what I call living in hope.

Idf you come across it, make sure you send her a message to tell her she's having a bubble bath!
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Ed Oscuro wrote:I find the "people using eBay for pricing guidelines = scum!" argument precious and touched...in the head.
I think there's some value in checking ebay prices.....if you do it properly. Prices on unsold items doesn't mean shit. You gotta look at the Sold Items (in green). Then, you have to think that about 14% of that price go to ebay/paypal. This makes it possible to get an idea of what the seller actually got. Also, you can't base yourself on just one item, as it could've unusually sold way high or way low. Obviously, you gotta be smart and know the difference if yours is more/less complete than the ones sold on ebay.

I've found that over the years, it was very useful to get an idea of what to price my stuff, especially for items I bought a while ago, that maybe drastically lost, or gained, in value.
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Yeah, I really don't know who's crazier: The folks who think someone would pay triple-digit figures for a 15+ year old game that's not even in good condition, or the people who prove them right.
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I think the essential distinction between collectors and the rest of us is that, while I have a ton of games that I haven't played in a long time and might never play again, I bought them with the full intention of playing them, did actually play them, and plan to hopefully play them again someday.
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genetik wrote:
Ed Oscuro wrote:I find the "people using eBay for pricing guidelines = scum!" argument precious and touched...in the head.
I think there's some value in checking ebay prices.....if you do it properly. Prices on unsold items doesn't mean shit. You gotta look at the Sold Items (in green). Then, you have to think that about 14% of that price go to ebay/paypal. This makes it possible to get an idea of what the seller actually got. Also, you can't base yourself on just one item, as it could've unusually sold way high or way low. Obviously, you gotta be smart and know the difference if yours is more/less complete than the ones sold on ebay.

I've found that over the years, it was very useful to get an idea of what to price my stuff, especially for items I bought a while ago, that maybe drastically lost, or gained, in value.
Yes, that's pretty much the routine. Tho I wouldn't stick with any particular percentage - eBay changes pricing, or some obscure shipping thing comes into effect (buyers might all be out-of-country and thus not paying as much due to their inflated total costs) and that can shift. I just use a website on the very rare cases when I want to figure out what the eBay/PP combined take amounts to.

There's also the convenience factor. The potential downsides for buyers are generally lower than for sellers. Buyer's worst-case is they got something broken or which doesn't look/work as well as expected, but can keep it. Seller's worst case is the entire sale goes down the toilet and they lose their asset with nothing to show for it (insurance, kidz). In both cases, local sales are ideal, but obviously local sales don't favor buyers of obscure imports.

@ Special World: Soon as I can tear myself away from my PC, Blood (and other old FPSes) and shit 3D games like Morrowind, and wasting time on trying to research CRTs (which I can't actually afford at the moment) I ought to get back to working on my own backlog. But I think you've put it nicely.

Ultimately, though, collectors can still make bank through hoarding. Juz' how it ees.
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I won't lie — I do have a few PSX/PS2 RPGs I haven't played yet. But I've never looked at a game and said "that game looks terrible, but I'ma buy it because it's rare." That would have to be one hell of a good deal. If I own a game, it's because I wanted to play it at some point.
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Have you ever looked at a game and thought "that game looks terrible. I'ma buy it because it looks so terrible"?
I get that urge sometimes.
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mamboFoxtrot wrote:Have you ever looked at a game and thought "that game looks terrible. I'ma buy it because it looks so terrible"?
I get that urge sometimes.
Does it actually look terrible though or is there some aesthetic that still works for you? ...Even something perhaps in how it plays or moves that recommends itself to you?

There's plenty of objectively (?) poor renderings, that are valued amongst the most important expressions within our culture. There's no reason games shouldn't be similarly valued (and respected) like a painting/wines/anything else that get's placed on a pedestal and valued as 'antiques' - the implication being that these are something to be preserved and treasured. Sure there's scams/hype/cheeky sellers [and buyers], but that happens wherever any value accrues; in a weird way it is kind of culturally validating.

This doesn't mean a beaten up physical copy of anything is a 'good buy'. Its a shame if that is the only way a title can be enjoyed these days [unlikely, but legally maybe], I live in hope that companies can curate their content so as to keep it accessible, whilst collectors may still hoard originals. Of course, unfortunately, we're likely to lose some notable examples along the way - such as with film/music. We could hope/expect for better, but computer games do not yet hold the cultural esteem to demand this.

... but yeah sucks that the raiden seller was being a bit dumb - you were probably the only person he was going to be selling that to at a decent price that day. But it's kind of cool that he even thought to check to see if he had something of value... even if he fails to yet appreciate how/why... step 1 of 2...
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In this thread, people make themselves feel better by telling the world how should one play/collect games. :roll:
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mamboFoxtrot wrote:Have you ever looked at a game and thought "that game looks terrible. I'ma buy it because it looks so terrible"?
I get that urge sometimes.
Lester the Unlikely comes to mind. The story's charming, though, echoing what gray117 was saying. I genuinely enjoy it on a level that doesn't require the gameplay to be good at all. Can't finish it though — I always give up around level 2 or 3.
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nosorrow wrote:In this thread, people make themselves feel better by telling the world how should one play/collect games. :roll:
Actually far less telling going on here than some other threads... where's one of those pcb vs mame topics now... go snark over there :)

... Back on topic, I do wonder if perhaps shmups, more than many others depend upon heritage, thus particularly driving demand for shmup prices?.. that is to say - being relatively short, challenging, fundamental experiences, without a sequential marquee/competitive peak title. Not a pattern that, for example, the general fighting games/fps/sports communities follow?
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There's been crappy prices on all retro stuff lately. The entire retro thing has really caused a jack in prices. Look at Ikaruga for crying out loud. It seemed like it was yesterday when it was a 40 dollar game.
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oh yea
I went looking for Pocky & Rocky SNES and almost fell off my chair
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dat natsume tax

Edit: Luckily for me, I bought both Pocky & Rocky games - $10 each - when my local video rental place was unloading its 16-bit games in 99/00. Speaking of crazy priced Natsume games, I'd love to have Wild Guns one day but it's not a priority right now.
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I got curious
apparently a CIB Pocky & Rocky (1 or 2) is pretty much the price of a Neo Geo game these days

and it's everywhere
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No harpy boobz in shameful gaijin ver, either!

Although, at least that's not quite as bad as the treatment of their other masterpiece The Ninja Warriors Again, which got its crowd mixups maimed on SNES with the deletion of a unique enemy type because oh noes bunz.
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Never played any other version, but Super Nintendo Ninja Warriors is really fun.
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Oh yeah, the quality shines whatever the region. Sidescrolling brawler masterpiece. Just a shame the censoring was done so hamfistedly to a game with such distinct enemy types and mixups (genderswapping or bolting on of pants I get, but chopping out a staple enemy type and jacking up a totally unrelated one's appearance rate to compensate? WTF?).

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I agree some of the prices are unreal.. I just noticed this:

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/PULSTAR-NEO- ... 5d4e7f0b18

Surely pulstar isn't worth that much?

I have a much cleaner cart sitting around that will be going on ebay if that's the sort of money that can be expected lol :D
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BIL wrote:Oh yeah, the quality shines whatever the region. Sidescrolling brawler masterpiece.
Love that game as well. Probaly the best and most polished brawler for 16Bit systems.
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