XRGB-mini Framemeister

Floob · Post by **Floob** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 4:25 pm

Thanks for the wiki link - I'll hunt down one that is the same spec as that.

Joelepain · Post by **Joelepain** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 5:33 pm

Fudoh wrote:the signal quality is really the same. It's just that the Mini handles scaling for RGBs sources slightly different (and better) than for component signals.

Ok so it only worth it if you want the bery best with the mini, but more generally nowadays it doesn't worth it to modify a +150$ cable.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 6:03 pm

Well, D-Terminal connectors aren't the most convenient solution anyway and it's very easy to mod the cable with a switch to select between RGBHV and component output whenever you like. I would say that the cable is certainly of more us this way than in it's original form.

Floob · Post by **Floob** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 7:30 pm

BuckoA51 wrote:That only lists one and it's out of stock, I'd welcome some other suggestions!

I'm going for this one
http://www.power-adapters.co.uk/5v-2-5- ... ly-adapter

Stephen g · Post by **Stephen g** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:06 pm

BuckoA51 wrote:
So if anyone as a jag and is having trouble I can help ...
Use composite sync (pin 5b) on the Jaguar end rather than composite video for sync and all your problems will disappear.

Hi,
I have no problems now.. Removing all grounds baring pin 4 as made my rgb scart crystal clear..

But I intend on making a new one so I'll try pin 5b, but what scart PIN number should I wire it to ?

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Mon Jul 28, 2014 9:12 pm

Sync always goes to SCART pin 20.

mickcris · Post by **mickcris** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:37 am

BuckoA51 wrote:That only lists one and it's out of stock, I'd welcome some other suggestions!

It says its in stock when you click the link even though the wiki says its not in stock.

Stephen g · Post by **Stephen g** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:13 am

BuckoA51 wrote:Sync always goes to SCART pin 20.

Interesting, so do I leave all the grounds on and connect 5b @ 11b to pin 20, as I thought 11b was video sync ? This is for euro scart.

Is the what you are saying..

From Jaguar end..

1A to scart pin 6, 5A to scart pin 7, 5B to scart pin 20 ?, 7A to scart pin 11 & 11A to scart pin 8 which is linked to scart pin 16 via 330ohms resister. I believe this is required to hit RGB mode for jaguar.

1B to scart pin 2, 4B scart pin 15, 10B grounds scart pins 4, 5, 9, 13, 17 & 18.
11B to scart pin 20 ?

It's strange how removing all grounds but scart pin 4 worked for me ? Anyhow please take a look and give your advice cheers.

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 8:58 am

Same as this:- http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/ ... htm#jaguar

Only connect 5B to pin 20 not 11B

Stephen g · Post by **Stephen g** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:07 am

BuckoA51 wrote:Same as this:- http://members.optusnet.com.au/eviltim/ ... htm#jaguar

Only connect 5B to pin 20 not 11B

Cheers, ill try that on my new scart..As i dont want to take apart my working one.

Any idea why doin it my way as made it work ?

EnragedWhale · Post by **EnragedWhale** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 1:29 pm

Floob wrote:
BuckoA51 wrote:That only lists one and it's out of stock, I'd welcome some other suggestions!
I'm going for this one
http://www.power-adapters.co.uk/5v-2-5- ... ly-adapter

That's the one I went for and I can confirm it works with no issues

Floob · Post by **Floob** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 2:20 pm

EnragedWhale wrote:
Floob wrote:
BuckoA51 wrote:That only lists one and it's out of stock, I'd welcome some other suggestions!
I'm going for this one
http://www.power-adapters.co.uk/5v-2-5- ... ly-adapter
That's the one I went for and I can confirm it works with no issues

Great, thanks very much.
I'm getting a Mega Everdrive to put in my modded PAL MD, and hope the XRGB will happily still improve the image.

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Tue Jul 29, 2014 4:06 pm

Any idea why doin it my way as made it work ?

I don't have the foggiest idea, no.

Seraphic · Post by **Seraphic** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:50 pm

lettuce wrote:Hmmm the successor to the XRGB-mini???

https://twitter.com/MicomsoftX/status/4 ... 5336185857

Why it's the XCapture-Mini of course!

https://twitter.com/MicomsoftX/status/4 ... 5483345920

blizzz · Post by **blizzz** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:04 pm

That's a weird device. An HDMI capture device that doesn't require a PC. I understand the buttons, but what are the ext. jacks for? Can you plug their new red button in there?

I'm still curious about what's on the back. It looks like DVI and VGA ports, but I don't see an option to select the input source. Maybe some switches?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 2:47 pm

The big red button device is cool. They used their 25 year old XE-1 stick chassis design for that.

BuckoA51 · Post by **BuckoA51** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:33 pm

An HDMI capture device that doesn't require a PC.

It doesn't require a PC? Where are your captures stored then?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:36 pm

Looks like the Avermedia Portable to me, where the files get recorded to the (Micro) SD Card.

opt2not · Post by **opt2not** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 5:39 pm

Fudoh wrote:Looks like the Avermedia Portable to me, where the files get recorded to the (Micro) SD Card.

^this.

But with a cooler (and external) record button!

lettuce · Post by **lettuce** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:13 pm

Hang on, what's the red button for then, just literally to stop and star recording??

opt2not · Post by **opt2not** » Wed Jul 30, 2014 7:19 pm

Yeah, most likely a one-touch system like the Avermedia Live Gamer Pro.

Floob · Post by **Floob** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:08 pm

Got my cables, just waiting for the XRGB-Mini now!
http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/mico ... ipper.html
http://www.power-adapters.co.uk/5v-2-5- ... ly-adapter

Hopefully it'll improve that RGB scart signal below.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:18 pm

On a MD you'd do best by just cutting that NTSC clock from the VDP. Kills of most of the jailbars instantly.

austin532 · Post by **austin532** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:38 pm

While playing a PS2 game that supports 480p while using RGB I get a slight green effect on letters. The effect seems to disappear when setting Image Mode to Standard but that makes the picture too soft. This problem doesn't happen when using Component. I've bumped up the colors to make it easier to see in the picture. This is what it looks like zoomed in:

Anyone know what could be causing this?

Floob · Post by **Floob** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:40 pm

Fudoh wrote:On a MD you'd do best by just cutting that NTSC clock from the VDP. Kills of most of the jailbars instantly.

Sorry - I dont understand that. Is that something I do with the Mini?

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 7:53 pm

no, that's a little mod inside the MD.

lettuce · Post by **lettuce** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 8:39 pm

Floob wrote:Got my cables, just waiting for the XRGB-Mini now!
http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/mico ... ipper.html
http://www.power-adapters.co.uk/5v-2-5- ... ly-adapter

Hopefully it'll improve that RGB scart signal below.

That adapter centre pin neg or pos??, as the MD is supposed to be centre pin neg, or though i think that the MD might have a reflector circuit inside it but if the pin polarity is wrong it may cause some interference

Floob · Post by **Floob** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:01 pm

Fudoh wrote:no, that's a little mod inside the MD.

Is this what you mean?
http://youtu.be/F5jsUZkI-js

Presumably I'd still benefit from the Mini? When I use the MD on my 46" panasonic the picture looks awful/pixelated.

Fudoh · Post by **Fudoh** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:05 pm

doesn't look like it. He's probably talking about adding the capacitor to the RGB encoder. You don't need to do this. Just cut a single pin from the video chip.

Of course you'll benefit from the Mini, but since the scanlines are there on the source signal, the Mini along with the stripper you're using can only do so much. Taking care of them right at the source is the better way.

Floob · Post by **Floob** » Thu Jul 31, 2014 9:06 pm

lettuce wrote:
Floob wrote:Got my cables, just waiting for the XRGB-Mini now!
http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk/mico ... ipper.html
http://www.power-adapters.co.uk/5v-2-5- ... ly-adapter

Hopefully it'll improve that RGB scart signal below.

That adapter centre pin neg or pos??, as the MD is supposed to be centre pin neg, or though i think that the MD might have a reflector circuit inside it but if the pin polarity is wrong it may cause some interference

The PSU in the pic is for the XRGB Mini - which I dont have yet

I'm presuming it would be fine?

shmups.system11.org

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