Capcom is up for sale

[Edmond Dantes]

if you don't like RE4, you don't like video games. it's a masterpiece.

Ehhhh... it's okay. RE4 was a game I enjoyed the first time thru (enough to even play Assignment Ada) but I could never bring myself to play it again once I was done. The gameplay was solid, I'll give it that, but the writing had issues even compared to other RE games--just for example: killing off Luis Sera just so Ada Wong could take his place, and haphazardly explaining that Luis was a "scientist." That's so clearly a last-minute script revision that I wouldn't be surprised to see them admit it in a couple of years.

(I liked Luis Sera, too...)

The real problem was the level design. The interesting setpieces were few and far between, and you wound up having what felt like the exact same battle too many times. Horde of dudes and a chainsaw guy may have been a major "what the shit!" moment in the first five minutes of the game, but when you see that same basic situation repeat itself something like ten times, and each time you solve it using the same basic strategy (IE wait for them to get close, shotgun them in the head, kick the guys who grab their face, back up, repeat)... it gets tedious.

To be fair, I played it after having come from an intense Devil May Cry (original PS2 game) session, and everything looks worse after a round of DMC.

(To be even more fair... RE4 was tons better than RE Zero, which I consider the worst game in the series. Yes, even worse than Survivor).

[Drum]

Code Veronica is the worst game in the series.

[Skykid]

if you don't like RE4, you don't like video games. it's a masterpiece.

Ehhhh... it's okay.

Lol

[Edmond Dantes]

Code Veronica was the start of the decline, but its still way better than Zero.

[D]

Capcom are useless anyway. They have taken their good IP's in the wrong direction. The new ones just suck.

Indeed, the are unable to make games anymore. Thanks for the good times Capcom, unfortunate that you were unable to supply us with good games.

[Pretas]

Operation Raccoon City is objectively the worst Resident Evil game. Absolutely nothing redeeming about it.

There's a rumor going around that Disney is first in line to bid on Capcom because of their partnership on Wreck-It Ralph. That seems a bit of a stretch, but they may be interested anyway, since they've been buying up every major entertainment/merchandising property under the sun lately.

[BrianC]

Operation Raccoon City is objectively the worst Resident Evil game. Absolutely nothing redeeming about it.

What about Gaiden and the Gun Survivor games (out of those, I only played Gun Survivor 2, but I wasn't impressed)?

[Lord Satori]

If it were possible to purchase part of a company, like a franchise or two, I could see Nintendo buying some of it.

[BrianC]

Personally, I wouldn't mind if someone just bought Mega Man. I wouldn't mind if platinum or even initcreates got a hold of them.

[Ed Oscuro]

Resident Eeevil: CRUELLA DeVILLE

Oh, you want to know of the worst RE games? What about the second Wii one? Well, maybe that depends on whether you like lightgun shooters or not, but it's basically a fraction of the game's content without any control.

And I remember Jon Ingram here saying that HotD Overkill was great. Sheesh.

The complaints against Code Veronica and Zero seem like the shifting sands of expectations here. "Oh, we want a traditional RE." CVX and 0 both seem pretty much similar to RE2. Yeah, there's some differences with the settings not being as memorable, but y'know what? Everybody praises the first two Dino Crisis titles (myself included) but they've got a similar generic feeling, too! In terms of gameplay and so on, there's really not a hell of a lot of difference between RE2 and CVX. What, did somebody think that overwrought scenes of SICKLY SCIENTIST SLAUGHTERINGS and GIANT ALLIGATOR FIGHTS were better than Steve "I doh whut I wan'" Burnside?

[Edmond Dantes]

The complaints against Code Veronica and Zero seem like the shifting sands of expectations here. "Oh, we want a traditional RE." CVX and 0 both seem pretty much similar to RE2.

The devil is in the details.

Zero might've had the classic gameplay style but it had too many little annoyances unique to it, like the dropping-items-anywhere mechanic instead of the magic boxes (dropping items pretty much necessitates backtracking whereas the boxes gave you a reasonable expectation of being able to get what you needed while still exploring a new area), and I seem to remember there were a lot of times where the only way to succeed was to go into an area blind, realize what you needed, and then reset the game and go in properly armed. In particular boss fights were bad about this--the very first one has Rebecca getting captured and needing to be rescued by the dude (I forget his name). First time I went into that room, I was screwed because Rebecca had the shotgun, and of course there's no way to transfer it over now... Situations like this are not good design. Kinda reminding me of those old adventure games where you could miss an item in a now-inaccessible area which renders the entire game unbeatable.

But I think my biggest problem was (don't laugh now) the story. I know RE has never had the greatest writing, but Zero was just pointless. Nothing new is revealed, nothing ever really develops, it adds nothing to the overall story arc and in fact seems to actively contradict the original RE in ways that are completely unsalvagable, and the game itself amounts to "Rebecca and some convict wandered around a completely different mansion for no real reason for six hours, then she went to sleep in the Spencer mansion." The reason prequels are (supposedly) made is because they help explain/set up something in later games but Zero does no such thing, it's just an entirely pointless game that isn't really that fun to play.

RE2, at least, had a story that was constantly dropping new revelations and new information, giving you a real sense of it all leading up to something and the game moving forward. Zero, on the other hand, ends in the same place it began, with nothing significant taking place in the interrim.

[Ed Oscuro]

RE stories have always been stupidity piled upon futility. And that was BAYOU BIRRY, by the way.

I also have to note that you have keen danger senses, where you decide to do the thing you probably should not just in time to get creamed.

The drop-an-item mechanic is fine, really. You're just like "aw hell no, they took away my special feel boxes." Well, who cares? They can change stuff as they like. It's just a shame they kept the inventory stupidity to begin with; now there's an area where RE4 really fixed what was broken. If there's something Zero did wrong, it's that it tried to tweak things instead of fix them. I don't buy it myself, but your post illustrates this: You stand to lose the faith of "dedicated" (i.e., crusty) fans, without gaining any new interest.

[Pretas]

Oh, you want to know of the worst RE games? What about the second Wii one? Well, maybe that depends on whether you like lightgun shooters or not, but it's basically a fraction of the game's content without any control.

Darkside Chronicles is at least moderately enjoyable once through, if one treats it as an interactive movie thrill ride. While it's still not a good game, it's not a complete joyless slog like ORC, and there's the always welcome presence of single-screen co-op.

[Ed Oscuro]

Right, I'm not disagreeing with your comment about ORC (though I haven't played it). It was enjoyable (in parts) the first time through, yeah - guess I'm showing off my "real RE or bust >(" 'tude a bit here.

[ACSeraph]

I actually really loved Darkside Chronicles...

All the stupidity and violence of horror era RE in 10 minute bite sized pieces. I like the original fleshed out versions better of course, but I don't have time to play them on my lunch break.

Also I'm gonna have to call RE6 as the worst game in the series. At least ORC lets you actually play the game, even if it isn't really a game worth playing.

[Despatche]

i like street fighter iv and dragon's dogma

(that's pretty much what this thread is)

mega man needs to get sold to inafune so he can just rebrand mighty no. 9

It's almost as bad as how messed up square Enix got in the new generation.

this is a lie. not only is it a lie, but square, enix, and square enix have never done anything that is anywhere near on par with what capcom did to mega man legends 3 (and, dare i say it, ending zx with advent). never.

[AntiFritz]

Darkside chronicles would have been better if it didn't have that annoying as shakey cam preventing me from hitting anything. Most of it was as straight up improvement from umbrella chronicles I thought but I did miss the arcadey feel Umbrella had.

[CStarFlare]

But I think my biggest problem was (don't laugh now) the story. I know RE has never had the greatest writing, but Zero was just pointless. Nothing new is revealed

That actually works in Zero's favor, as it manages to not actively make the RE universe worse. It does make for weird continuity with RE1, but it doesn't veer the overarching story into outright silly territory like Wesker being alive and superhuman did. I'll take a classic RE game that runs in a circle over a game that ends with me rocket launchering Wesker in the face multiple times any day of the week.

(Actually I think it does shed some light onto the origins of Umbrella but I don't know a single person who could possibly care)

It's a shame they'd already used Gaiden as a title, because it would have been better thought of as a fun side story than a prequel.

I never had trouble with the item drop mechanic, though Zero is probably one of the harder classic-style REs.

[Edmond Dantes]

And that was BAYOU BIRRY, by the way.

Well there you go! When his commercial shows that ragin' cajun wrestlin' gators, how am I supposed to know he can't take a giant centipede with just a pistol? lol

I also have to note that you have keen danger senses, where you decide to do the thing you probably should not just in time to get creamed.

The drop-an-item mechanic is fine, really. You're just like "aw hell no, they took away my special feel boxes."

You stand to lose the faith of "dedicated" (i.e., crusty) fans, without gaining any new interest.

Someone sounds like a contrarian.

That being, someone who should play Contra and not Resident Evil. I've got a second controller if you feel up to a co-op.

[Lordstar]

Someone mentioned Disney to be first in line to purchase Capcom. It makes sense some of the best DIsney games have been from Capcom, Disney also are on a bit of a streak of getting franchises back on track and further developing things and giving the consumer what they want. Marvel comics and movies have great since Disney stepped in. They is making me excited for Star wars again

[neorichieb1971]

Lets be honest Capcom are only selling because everyone moved away to the Battlefield/COD universe. Its gotten so bad that nobody in the masses will even know Capcom has gone.

Its websites like these that keep the old guard alive.. But we have to admit we are not exactly abundant enough to keep a multi million $ company afloat. I wonder if the top brass at the company regret mistakes that loyalists around 2005 despised them for?

[Astraea FGA Mk. I]

Resident Evil was brilliant 1-3. I loved it. Then it sucked. Where do I go now? Silent Hill. Silent Hill 1-3. I loved it. Then it sucked. Now survival horror no longer exists.

[BIL]

Don't be dissin mah SH4 like that (・｀W´・)

[CStarFlare]

I don't even know what that is

[Astraea FGA Mk. I]

Don't be dissin mah SH4 like that (・｀W´・)

My apologies I enjoyed SH4 though it isn't as good as its predecessors. It is much better than what followed.

[Obiwanshinobi]

Wouldn't SH4 be the 2nd SH game properly ported to PC? With Radeon 8500, nearly everything seemed right in place.

[BIL]

SH4's PC port does have some issues compared to PS2/Xbox (most notably, realtime cutscenes running at a lower framerate) but otherwise I think it's pretty nice, yeah.

Only half-serious in the last post, haha. Game does have problems. I do think its heart was in the right place though.

[Obiwanshinobi]

What a conversation.
For what it's worth, I think SH4 is about the one when the character models looked nice to me, but it's a digression.

[BIL]

?

I'm always down for an SH nerdout Obi, bump the SH thread.

[Obiwanshinobi]

Wait a second, was 4 even on Xbox? I thought only 2 was. Massively off-topic of course.