People who don’t like Scart will have the choice not to use it, and those who have lots of Scart cables like me will be happy as well

https://scalablevideoswitch.com/
Initially spotted here
https://www.timeextension.com/news/2024 ... aming-fans
Lots of great information there. They need to put it all into text form and put it on that product page. Thank you for sharing.ZellSF wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 6:40 am There's a two hour demonstration stream that may (or may not) answer some questions:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AUlXqBe3Kk
Now this I like!Guspaz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 8:52 pmit can communicate with an RT4K over the HD15 video cable to send serial commands for automatic profile loading. You can have unique RT4K profiles on the SD card for each input. It can also do something similar on the RT5X, OSSC, OSSC Pro, etc. via an IR blaster. You can program in one or more IR commands each time the input changes, so perhaps pressing a profile button and then pressing the "auto phase" button (though that may autophase too quickly, before video is ready).
If the scaler's remote doesn't have enough profile buttons (like the RT5X premium remote only has 10 profile buttons), you could program the SVS to at least switch the scaler to the right signal type (like YPbPr for a PS2 input, RGBS for a SNES input, etc.) Or perhaps just program in a macro to open your scaler's profile menu and hit the appropriate number of arrow keys and such, but there's only 248 IR command slots on the SVS, divided by the number of inputs, so keep that in mind. The SVS does have provisions for manual input switching as well, of course.
I really hope USB control is coming (and is just a virtual serial port, like the RetroTink4K), it would be simpler to me.Guspaz wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:11 am Of course if you want to go the other way, you can certainly have the SVS talk to Home Assistant, at which point you can automate almost anything based on SVS input changes. You could use a HomeAssistant-connected IR receiver, or even just use RS232 via esphome and an HD15 dongle.
Dochartaigh wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:58 pm Sadly, it doesn't have matrix capabilities like the Crosspoints, where you can loop converters/scalers/transcoders/etc. in and out of the Crosspoint (and don't know about throwing different or the same images onto multiple screens with them)... so the SVS is still a far, far, cry from the capabilities an Extron Crosspoint can have.
This is a fantastic summary! Thanks for typing it out. Just a couple of things I'd like to add/clarify.Guspaz wrote: ↑Thu Dec 19, 2024 8:52 pmSpoiler
It's an automatic switch, both in the sense that it will automatically switch to active inputs, and that it can communicate with an RT4K over the HD15 video cable to send serial commands for automatic profile loading. You can have unique RT4K profiles on the SD card for each input. It can also do something similar on the RT5X, OSSC, OSSC Pro, etc. via an IR blaster. You can program in one or more IR commands each time the input changes, so perhaps pressing a profile button and then pressing the "auto phase" button (though that may autophase too quickly, before video is ready).
If the scaler's remote doesn't have enough profile buttons (like the RT5X premium remote only has 10 profile buttons), you could program the SVS to at least switch the scaler to the right signal type (like YPbPr for a PS2 input, RGBS for a SNES input, etc.) Or perhaps just program in a macro to open your scaler's profile menu and hit the appropriate number of arrow keys and such, but there's only 248 IR command slots on the SVS, divided by the number of inputs, so keep that in mind. The SVS does have provisions for manual input switching as well, of course.
Pricing, well, it's not a mass-manufactured product, so limited economies of scale, and the plastics are IIRC 3D printed, but using something nicer than FDM. Pricing is very similar to the gscartsw/gcompsw, and if you wanted to replicate the functionality of having one each of the gcompsw and gscartsw, you'd end up at basically the same price for a 16-input SVS. You can probably save some money if you need multiple input types, but not quite 16 inputs.
No signal conversion is done. Other than sync conversion. Every output just duplicates whatever signals it supports outputting. The ideal setup is you use the HD15 output module to connect to an RT4K, since that cable type supports all output signals, and has the serial communication for the RT4K, and you use the automatic profile switching to change the RT4K input to the appropriate signal type automatically. You can do the same with SCART, but then you'd need an IR blaster to do the automatic profile stuff. If you have a PVM, you'd probably want to just connect two or three output modules to get the hookups to the PVM's different inputs depending on signal type. It's not a matrix switch, so multiple outputs will just mirror whatever signals that module supports.
Some of the input modules have optional low pass filters that you can enable with a switch on the side of the module to handle noisy signals. Max 32 inputs a the moment, but the plan is to enable more inputs via an expansion module that lets you connect additional stacks of modules, up to 32 for each stack. So, 64 inputs, or 96 inputs, or more, acting as a single unified switch.
I'm sure I missed a ton of details, I was just going on prior knowledge and skimming through the livestream vod.
Extra details on the sync conversion:
The HD15 inputs expect TTL sync since they assume VGA input, and VGA used TTL.
RGBHV is output as RGBHV via the HD15 output, and RGBS via the component/scart/etc. outputs
RGsB is converted to RGsBS (so your scaler/display can ignore the difference and just use one of the two if it wants)
JP21: planned support in the future via dedicated JP21 modules.
BNC input/output: maybe in the future, it's not trivial.
HDMI: never
USB control is 100% going to happen and it will be implemented as a serial COM interface, so it should be easy to script commands for. I will also be releasing an RS232 module for serial interfacing with the SVS as well.ZellSF wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 7:26 amI really hope USB control is coming (and is just a virtual serial port, like the RetroTink4K), it would be simpler to me.Guspaz wrote: ↑Fri Dec 20, 2024 1:11 am Of course if you want to go the other way, you can certainly have the SVS talk to Home Assistant, at which point you can automate almost anything based on SVS input changes. You could use a HomeAssistant-connected IR receiver, or even just use RS232 via esphome and an HD15 dongle.
USB control is listed as an upcoming feature, I know, but that doesn't mean it's 100% certain to happen.
I updated the description on the website to make it more clear. Yes it has auto switching. It's sync signal based so it doesn't rely on things like blanking voltage being present in SCART cables etc.
I totally get that. And unfair of me to compare a professional/commercial grade Extron Crosspoint matrix switcher where their base model 12(input) x 8(output) was $6000 USD back in the day, and their largest 32x32 was $43,000 MSRP... just a dream for a modern unit to have the same capabilities - since that's something I use every time I turn mine on! -- but totally get how not possible without making things crazily more complex.Arthrimus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 7:58 amDochartaigh wrote: ↑Wed Dec 18, 2024 9:58 pm Sadly, it doesn't have matrix capabilities like the Crosspoints, where you can loop converters/scalers/transcoders/etc. in and out of the Crosspoint (and don't know about throwing different or the same images onto multiple screens with them)... so the SVS is still a far, far, cry from the capabilities an Extron Crosspoint can have.
Unfortunately matrix switching would be incredibly difficult in a modular design like this. It would require significantly more switching hardware in each module, and significantly more signal channels between each module to simultaneously carry so many different signals around the switch. I looked at it early on and concluded it's not feasible for a modular design to have matrix switching.
You hit two of the most common right on the head!Arthrimus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 7:58 am However with that said, I am doing research on signal transcoding, and may be looking to release RGB to YPbPr and YPbPr to RGB transcoder modules that could be installed in the switch to transcode a block of inputs into the desired output format. No timeline on these, but it's definitely on my radar as an objective.
Those seems like some big assumptions. Personally I think the market for this is split between a lot of different use case scenarios, and there's really no common wants or a large portion of the crowd that would use this for anything that specific.Dochartaigh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:06 pm People also commonly want a RGB (or even YPbPr) to NTSC S-video/Composite one as well, since many, many (especially in the USA) CRT's do NOT have RGB or Component inputs...
Shouldn't forget about the SERR function/dipswitch of an Extron RGB device either - in my eyes that's the bread and butter for a LARGE part of the crowd who would be using a switcher like yours (i.e. those with larger, more complex, setups, who also wouldn't balk at spending this kind of money on a switcher as well).
Very specialized hardware tends to be. But it also depends on what you put it against. Is it more expensive than a gscartsw with 8:2 SCART ports? Sure, but if you want 8:2 SCART ports there's already a product for you.
Is there a reason the USB-C power supply requirements aren't listed on the store page?
For a single gscartsw, if you actually need the two outputs, sure. Compared to two gscartsw (which gets you 15 inputs due to chaining), if you only need one output, it's $590 for the gscartsw and $590 for the SVS. And of course if not all of your inputs are SCART, then the gscartsw just won't accommodate you, not without extra switches and adapters.
I don't know where that confusion could come from. The RT4K product page clearly says (and has always said) that "You may use any USB source supplying at least 5V/2A." But people don't read the product page. Or the product itself, which literally says "5V 2A" right on the USB port itself, and says "5V 2000mA" on the bottom label of the product.
I didn't say putting it on the product page would fix the problem, but it might help (for the SVS).Guspaz wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:37 am I don't know where that confusion could come from. The RT4K product page clearly says (and has always said) that "You may use any USB source supplying at least 5V/2A." But people don't read the product page. Or the product itself, which literally says "5V 2A" right on the USB port itself, and says "5V 2000mA" on the bottom label of the product.
It's not a video converter, it does not convert component to RGB.LDigital wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 3:14 pm I am thinking to buy some modules to compliment and expand my existing setup. Not completely replace it as it’s working well now.
I have a gscartsw and a 4 input gcompsw. If I had 2x scart input 1x component input 1x scart output would it deal with correctly converting the component signals to rgbs scart that I can then chain into my existing gscart?
Also are these just placeholder listings or is everything sold out fully?
No, there is currently no function for transcoding YPbPr into RGBs. It would output the YPbPr signal over the Scart output module though. The newer Gscartsw revisions can switch YPbPr over Scart, but it will still ultimately be coming out as YPbPr on the output. Arthrimus mentioned he is looking into signal transcoding, so it might be a future feature.LDigital wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 3:14 pm I have a gscartsw and a 4 input gcompsw. If I had 2x scart input 1x component input 1x scart output would it deal with correctly converting the component signals to rgbs scart that I can then chain into my existing gscart?
Also are these just placeholder listings or is everything sold out fully?
I agree with you that there will be a LOT of different use cases for sure... but I don't think it's a "big assumption" that Composite (CV) and S-Video (YC) isn't extremely popular still. Heck, it's so popular not only did Arthrimus himself develop a module for those on both the input AND output side of his SVS, but they're also integrated into popular scalers like the RT5X-Pro, RT4K (and XRGB's before those), and even a special add-on was developed for the OSSC because it's such a popular connection type...ZellSF wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 9:17 amThose seems like some big assumptions. Personally I think the market for this is split between a lot of different use case scenarios, and there's really no common wants or a large portion of the crowd that would use this for anything that specific.Dochartaigh wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 8:06 pm People also commonly want a RGB (or even YPbPr) to NTSC S-video/Composite one as well, since many, many (especially in the USA) CRT's do NOT have RGB or Component inputs...
Shouldn't forget about the SERR function/dipswitch of an Extron RGB device either - in my eyes that's the bread and butter for a LARGE part of the crowd who would be using a switcher like yours (i.e. those with larger, more complex, setups, who also wouldn't balk at spending this kind of money on a switcher as well).
I mean it starts at 145$. Not everyone is looking for a gscartsw replacement (and why would they? that thing already exists and is cheaper at that).Dochartaigh wrote: ↑Mon Dec 23, 2024 7:12 pm Is that a niche-within-a-niche like I think your argument is alluding to - OF COURSE!!! But, ask yourself, who exactly are the type of people who would drop ~$370 to $590 on an SVS (comparable to the price of the already-super-popular single or double gscartsw setup) to begin with?
Hey Arthrimus,Arthrimus wrote: ↑Sat Dec 21, 2024 7:58 am
BNC is actively being developed right now. I'm hoping to have it ready by March or April next year. BNC Inputs will support both AC and DC coupled signals, and will support RGBS, RGBHV, RGsB, and YPbPr signal types. BNC outputs will support outputting RGBS, RGBHV, RGsB, YPbPr, S-Video (Y on Green, C on Red) and Composite (on Green) either AC coupled or DC coupled (selectable by flipping a switch). You will be able to select between RGBHV and RGBS so RGBHV inputs can be output as either format as needed.
For the BNC Input Module it won't matter. The input module is being designed to accept both AC and DC coupled signals. For the BNC output module that would depend on your TV or Scaler setup. In most cases AC coupling is what you would want, but some BNC equipped RGBHV monitors might expect DC coupled video signals.