Godly Gamers -- People you aspire to.

[Blade]

Just wondering if there are some seriously hardcore gamers that downright scare you out there. I'm talking about guys who submit those awesome Superplay Vids among other things. Top Tier fighting ranks, Highest Scores that nobody can come close to topping. Handicapped Gameplay...

The first guy that comes to mind for me is VTF-INO, this guy not only did a Double-Play for Ikaruga, but he did a Perfect Swordplay Run of Radiant Silvergun with nothing but the sword, to also say nothing of his other insane accomplishments.

How many months do you suppose it takes to get that good? Or do you think it's a natural born gift? I dunno in any case. It just amazes me to even think about...so much so that it'd be interesting if game designers actually hired gamers like them to beta test games and engage the difficulties to improve gameplay.

[Rob]

How many months do you suppose it takes to get that good? Or do you think it's a natural born gift?

*flare gun*

We need some help here!

[Neon]

How many months do you suppose it takes to get that good? Or do you think it's a natural born gift?

*flare gun*

We need some help here!

Yeah, there's already a thread about this in the main forum. Basically the people who actually have high scores claim all they did was practice the game (and think about how to improve) while people who don't claim the racially superior Japanese were just born that good

[Sly Cherry Chunks]

Tviks and Kiken

THEIR SKILL IS GREAT

[CIT]

I think the most insane superplay I ever saw was Daigo Umehara doing that full parry in SFIII.

There are some exceptional player on this forum as well. Rando, Kiken, Rob, Icarus, MrMonkeyMan, a et.

None of them scare me though. They all seem like very approachable and down-to-earth guys.

[iatneH]

I'm amazed at the crazy good Pop'n Music and beatmania IIDX players. Holy crap... practice practice practice...

[TVG]

some of it is work, but to be top of the tops, its genetics, like in sports.

for single player games, especially shmups, its just a matter of multitasking and hand-eye coordination, some of it is genetic.

for fighting games, consider them like chess, there's people who are just naturally good at those. however, having good competition is what matters, you'll never get good playing against your local scrubs.

as for people i aspire to, well, i respect people's skill but its quite silly to have computer games champions as rolemodels.

EDIT: dont forget experience too, im guessing VTF-INO didnt start competitive play yesterday.

[captain ahar]

mot of the players i respect are on these forums (some mentioned by seven force above). and like seven force, i have never realy felt intimidated by them... except maybe rando. :P

and actually, as far as the actual record holders go, i have absolutely no knowledge. i guess i've always been pretty satisfied by the goings on within this community, and have never felt the need to explore the "masters of all masters."

[Ord]

I think the most insane superplay I ever saw was Daigo Umehara doing that full parry in SFIII.

You mean this?
It's simply incredible!

[Ex_Mosquito]

Agh! What people dont realise it that it was the situation he was in that made it so good, not so much the parry and the combo. More impressive is how he manages to keep calm and time it perfectly with all the pressure on him, most people would choke in that situation. Any half decent player can do the parry and the combo, but in that situation with that pressure, no!:)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.steve ... _combo.avi

[BulletMagnet]

I remember seeing that thing...I can only wonder what the Chun-Li player was thinking after it was all over, heh heh. I kind of automatically take the loser's perspective in situations like these.

[chtimi-CLA]

ISO because he's like the Mohamed Ali of shmups, he moves so cleanly with no useless move and absolute security.

[judesalmon]

There is certainly some natural talent, but I imagine pratice is the most important aspect - if you played nothing but the same game over and over you would develop a muscle memory to get past everything that would trump any other sense.

[CIT]

Agh! What people dont realise it that it was the situation he was in that made it so good, not so much the parry and the combo. More impressive is how he manages to keep calm and time it perfectly with all the pressure on him, most people would choke in that situation. Any half decent player can do the parry and the combo, but in that situation with that pressure, no!:)

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/mark.steve ... _combo.avi

No man, I agree. It's totally within the context of the tournament, that the full parry was so amazing.

But I don't agree that any half decent player can pull that parry off. Even with a programmed opponent in practice mode it takes a lot of practice to get the timing down. I'm sure this video isn't your third or fourth try.

[Randorama]

How many months do you suppose it takes to get that good?

Years, probably in the 5-10 years range.I wouldn't be surprised if VTF-INO plays Drums or an instrument that forces a lot of differentiated coordination - in the sense that the two hands are forced to follow different routines.

Or do you think it's a natural born gift?.

No sane person would think that, and no person with a vague grasp of practice, method and thus of the learning process, so central to human intelligence. Predestination theories and unfounded genetic statements have one thing in common = they're usually made by people who don't even try or don't understand how to do things.

Beside that, i'm not such a good player (in the range of the ones who always pop up in replays) to be idolatrable

I always had a soft spot for Yuusemi though, because he seems not to be extremely precise, but in his replays shows a deep grasp of the engine of the game ( i.e. he often forces the CPU to shoot somewhere else, for instance).

[BulletMagnet]

Predestination theories and unfounded genetic statements have one thing in common = they're usually made by people who don't even try or don't understand how to do things.

Inquiry from the peanut gallery: even taking the above into account, would you agree that certain genetic traits, environmental factors, etc. would at least give certain players a "head start," in that they might be able to grasp/improve at something more readily/quickly than others, and thus get to a certain "level" after a relatively short time, while someone else, due to factors "beyond his control," might require more practice/time than the former to get to the same "level" (though he WILL get there eventually, if he keeps at it)? Or does the second guy simply take longer because he's just not trying hard enough, while the first guy is?

Just curious as to your viewpoint on that kinda thing.

[Icarus]

mot of the players i respect are on these forums (some mentioned by seven force above). and like seven force, i have never realy felt intimidated by them... except maybe rando.

I fear nobody, I respect everybody, everybody is my friend and rival.

There are some exceptional player on this forum as well. Rando, Kiken, Rob, Icarus, MrMonkeyMan, a et.

O_O!!

Thank you for the kind words, however I am not that skilled a player. There are far better players around here than I am, and anyone can beat my records if they put their minds to it.

[PsikyoPshumpPshooterP]

NTSC-J is a excellent cave shmupper. much skills!

[professor ganson]

I've learned the most from Rob, Rando, and Icarus. They are my gaming heroes by far.

I also really admire the top Psikyo players like Ex Mosquito, IlMrm, and cigs.

Plasmo is great at Psikyo and Raizing. Very cool.

NTSC-J kicks ass as well.

I'm forgetting others atm.

[Ex_Mosquito]

The player i most admire is probably WC, a chinese psikyo player. I only know of 2 replays he's done, strikers1945II and strikers1999, but he's the most gutsy showboating player i've ever witnessed. I swear the guy is hyperactive because he never keeps still when he's playing (the ship i mean) he's all over the place dodging bullets he doesnt really need to dodge but he does anyway, and with SO much style. He's the most precise player i've even seen, total control.

I have the S1999 replay on the xbox HDD if anyone wants it, I can upload it to super-play maybe. Apparently he beat the Arcadia WR on the replay.

[Randorama]

Just curious as to your viewpoint on that kinda thing.

Too lazy to cross-refer, but SiKraiken posted a link of my thoughts (which happen to be based on various knowledge in the right fields) in the "skill" thread. Predisposition and genetics, to my knowledge, usually don't influence than to a modest amount. Beside that, those are things that i wouldn't mention without knowing (and i'm paid to know them, to some extent). "Genetics" is always mentioned by the ones who don't move a finger to improve things, usually (or don't have a remote clue of what are they talking about): i would like to have a cent for every time that i heard someone blaming the genetics for obesity while ingurgitating 600% of the necessary amount of calories


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[Andi]

I'm pretty good at games. You guys should aspire to be like me.

I beat Darius Gaiden one time. That was real cool.

[Valgar]

WIZ ~_~.

[IlMrm]

Zuho.

[TWITCHDOCTOR]

I'm pretty good at games. You guys should aspire to be like me.

I beat Darius Gaiden one time. That was real cool.

I love you babe!
I'm not so bad myself!

[Ghegs]

GOD HAND's Gunbird 2 ALL no-miss perfect coin chain until 2-5 -video freaked me out.

[mannerbot]

GOD HAND's Gunbird 2 ALL no-miss perfect coin chain until 2-5 -video freaked me out.

Where can I see this?

[ArrogantBastard]

Where can I see this?

Here: http://super-play.co.uk/index.php?superplay=416

[Marc]

I aspire to be better than I am, nothing else. That said, there are many players on this board I have much respect for - as pointed out above, Rando, Icarus, NTSC-J, Plasmo, Kiken, Rob... some fantastic achievements between those guys.

[Blade]

Well, most likely, Randorama, Genetics isn't a factor, I was only asking what you thought about it.

But what about predisposition with regard to shmups? By that I mean, let's say you've played something like Raiden Fighters and aced it, would it be a simpler task of mastering another complex shmup, such as Homura? Would the skills you gained from other shooters carry over perhaps, making the shmups that much easier to pick up and play?