Connecticing Sony BVM D24 to a PS3

[RebeL9]

I’ve searched around for a way to hook up my PS3 to my BVM D24. What solution gives best possible image? Have anyone tried using a HD Fury cable? They are expensive but seems to have great reviews?

[fernan1234]

Don't bother with one of those. Easiest solution is a portta HDMI to Component converter.

[wwse]

I’ve searched around for a way to hook up my PS3 to my BVM D24. What solution gives best possible image? Have anyone tried using a HD Fury cable? They are expensive but seems to have great reviews?

good component cable?

[RebeL9]

Don't bother with one of those. Easiest solution is a portta HDMI to Component converter.

Can you please elaborate on that! Will you get the same quality as with a HD fury?
Also how big difference in quality is there on the component cables? The official Sony PS3 cables are expensive. Are there cheaper options but with same level of quality?

[Fudoh]

Also how big difference in quality is there on the component cables?

analogue HD output on the PS3 isn't very good in the first place. Using a HDMI to component converter will look better - no matter how good your analogue cables are. The Portta is a good choice.

[RebeL9]

Also how big difference in quality is there on the component cables?

analogue HD output on the PS3 isn't very good in the first place. Using a HDMI to component converter will look better - no matter how good your analogue cables are. The Portta is a good choice.

Ok cheers. So PS3->Porta->HDMI-to SDI-converter->D24. Would that work?

[H6rdc0re]

Why not just buy a HD Retrovision component cable? Those should be pretty cheap with great quality. Playing HD consoles on a BVM D series is never going to look as sharp as on fixed pixel display anyway.

[kitty666cats]

Why not just buy a HD Retrovision component cable? Those should be pretty cheap with great quality. Playing HD consoles on a BVM D series is never going to look as sharp as on fixed pixel display anyway.

HDMI to component will still be better, it’s not just the cabling it’s the analog HD signal the system outputs being inferior to the HDMI

[fernan1234]

Ok cheers. So PS3->Porta->HDMI-to SDI-converter->D24. Would that work?

No, no need to use SDI at all! In fact SDI should be avoided for gaming.

You go PS3 HDMI output -> HDMI cable -> Portta -> Component YPbPr output (3 RCA cables + 3 BNC adapters) connected directly to the analogue input card of your BVM.

You'll need to figure out how to handle the audio, either you extract the digital audio from the HDMI output at some point before the signal goes into the Portta digital-to-analogue converter (this would be my recommendation) or you use the analogue audio output from the Portta. Alternatively can also use digital SPDIF audio output directly from the PS3 if your model supports it and that works better for your audio setup.

[RebeL9]

Ok cheers. So PS3->Porta->HDMI-to SDI-converter->D24. Would that work?

No, no need to use SDI at all! In fact SDI should be avoided for gaming.

You go PS3 HDMI output -> HDMI cable -> Portta -> Component YPbPr output (3 RCA cables + 3 BNC adapters) connected directly to the analogue input card of your BVM.

You'll need to figure out how to handle the audio, either you extract the digital audio from the HDMI output at some point before the signal goes into the Portta digital-to-analogue converter (this would be my recommendation) or you use the analogue audio output from the Portta. Alternatively can also use digital SPDIF audio output directly from the PS3 if your model supports it and that works better for your audio setup.

Thanks. I found an old thread here which asks the same question but about the PS4 instead and a Hd Fury was recommended. viewtopic.php?t=59324
So question is which would be the best route. The Porta converter or the HD fury. The Hd fury is more expensive but in regards of image quality and lag, which would be superior?

[Fudoh]

Why not just buy a HD Retrovision component cable? Those should be pretty cheap with great quality.

because the analogue output on the PS3 already has visible worse quality than its HDMI output.

Portta vs HDFury: you won't notice a difference. The thread you linked to is 5 years old. No idea what has been available back then.

[fernan1234]

Yeah analogue video should be identical. I used to have an HD Fury which had 2 HDMI inputs, RGBHV and YPbPr selectable output, and a bunch of tiny dipswitches for various configurations. I used to recommend HD Fury for the versatility but the truth is that those are all kind of useless for 99% of cases, so might as well go with a simpler and much cheaper DAC that will perform the same in terms of video quality.

Sold my HD Fury a while ago, got a nice StarTech DAC for cheap on ebay, which also has selectable RGBHV/YPbPr output. I personally prefer to use RGB but for most people YPbPr is easier since most pro monitors like the D24 require sync combining for RGB (in my case I don't need it since my monitor works with RGBHV as well).

[Ed Oscuro]

a nice StarTech DAC for cheap on ebay, which also has selectable RGBHV/YPbPr output.

VS721MULTI ?

[fernan1234]

a nice StarTech DAC for cheap on ebay, which also has selectable RGBHV/YPbPr output.

VS721MULTI ?

HDMI2VGA https://www.startech.com/en-us/audio-vi ... s/hdmi2vga

Retail price is dumb, but I paid about 15 bucks for mine.

It says it's HDCP compliant but has no issues with PS3/PS4 like some others (including the HD Fury's, with which you need to contact them to ask for an "alternative" firmware to install on it).

[Ed Oscuro]

Thanks for that!

[SuperSpongo]

(including the HD Fury's, with which you need to contact them to ask for an "alternative" firmware to install on it).

I have an HDFury2 and read here and there that it's somehow possible to update the firmware. Do you have any additional info on that by any chance? Is there an archive for these firmwares? I'm sure they won't be giving them out much longer for legacy devices.

[fernan1234]

(including the HD Fury's, with which you need to contact them to ask for an "alternative" firmware to install on it).

I have an HDFury2 and read here and there that it's somehow possible to update the firmware. Do you have any additional info on that by any chance? Is there an archive for these firmwares? I'm sure they won't be giving them out much longer for legacy devices.

Last time I needed to do this (a few years ago) you'd need to join their discord server and ask there, unless you know someone who already has the firmware for your model.

[SuperSpongo]

Oh damn, they have a Discord Server? Didn't expect that lol

Which product of theirs do you have? I just checked the manual and it's rather vague when it comes to firmware updates ("I think they mention specialized tools"...). I'm picturing some kind of software and I hope I don't have to buy a programmer?

[fernan1234]

Oh damn, they have a Discord Server? Didn't expect that lol

Which product of theirs do you have? I just checked the manual and it's rather vague when it comes to firmware updates ("I think they mention specialized tools"...). I'm picturing some kind of software and I hope I don't have to buy a programmer?

I had an HDFury X3. Like most of their dongles it has a micro USB connector, you just plug it into your PC and update the firmware. I honestly don't remember if you need to use some software of theirs to update it, probably do, but no need for programmers or extra hardware.

I think alternatively you could just do what people do when it comes to HDCP-compliant hardware, which is to just chain ahead of it one of those cheap HDMI splitters or audio extractors that "strip" HDCP.

[speedswan]

Ok cheers. So PS3->Porta->HDMI-to SDI-converter->D24. Would that work?

No, no need to use SDI at all! In fact SDI should be avoided for gaming.

You go PS3 HDMI output -> HDMI cable -> Portta -> Component YPbPr output (3 RCA cables + 3 BNC adapters) connected directly to the analogue input card of your BVM.

You'll need to figure out how to handle the audio, either you extract the digital audio from the HDMI output at some point before the signal goes into the Portta digital-to-analogue converter (this would be my recommendation) or you use the analogue audio output from the Portta. Alternatively can also use digital SPDIF audio output directly from the PS3 if your model supports it and that works better for your audio setup.

Is the recommendation to avoid SDI for gaming based on the fact that HDMI->HD-SDI purportedly adds lag?

Didn't Bob @ retrorgb test for this and find that neither HDMI->VGA or HDMI->HD-SDI added any lag (with the correct converter of course) https://www.retrorgb.com/upscalercompare.html

[SuperSpongo]

Thanks fernan and sorry for the off-topic.

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I think it comes down to price. An HDMI to HDSDI that gets recommended frequently is the one from Blackmagic. It's about 100 Euros in my part of the world, whereas an HDMI to analog converter costs between 10 and 30 Euros.
You don't have any advantage that I know of when using HDSDI. The card on my monitor is not even plugged in because of the loud fan.
Lastly, a lot of people use some kind of switch to hook up multiple RGB or component consoles. Can't use that when using an SDI signal.

[RebeL9]

Thanks everyone. I managed to find a new Fury 3 for a decent price, far below the prices on their website lol!

Ok while I’m at it. I also want to hook up my Dreamcast to my BVM D24. Will it be enough with a Toro or do I need an Extron 203 as well? I’ve heard Toro sometimes distorts the image.
Thanks for your advice!

[nissling]

I think it comes down to price. An HDMI to HDSDI that gets recommended frequently is the one from Blackmagic. It's about 100 Euros in my part of the world, whereas an HDMI to analog converter costs between 10 and 30 Euros.

The Blackmagic converters are not usable with the Playstation 3 unless you've got an HDCP stripper in conjunction. Any no-name HDMI->SDI converter for under 30 USD ignores HDCP and practically identical picture quality. Main benefit with the BMDs is that they're designed for 24/7 usage without overheating and offer magnificent durability. Being able to power them through micro USB also makes them very portable. If you need to use multiple SDI sources, switchers for those are easily found and can be very small in size.

Personally I've used HD-SDI plenty on my A24 with both the Playstation 3 and 4. The slight degragation in picture quality due to chroma sub sampling (from 4:4:4 to 4:2:2) is practically never visible and for signal integrity I'd rather keep it digital than converting it to analog. I've had a D24 formerly which I was never completely satisfied with for various reasons, but the noise caused by the 42HD wasn't really an issue as the fan could easily be replaced to a much less noticeable one.

With that said, if you already got good HDMI to analog converters laying around there's absolutely nothing wrong using them. I just think that people underestimate how easy it is to get good results with SDI when using modern sources on these monitors.

[fernan1234]

Personally I've used HD-SDI plenty on my A24 with both the Playstation 3 and 4. The slight degragation in picture quality due to chroma sub sampling (from 4:4:4 to 4:2:2) is practically never visible and for signal integrity I'd rather keep it digital than converting it to analog. I've had a D24 formerly which I was never completely satisfied with for various reasons, but the noise caused by the 42HD wasn't really an issue as the fan could easily be replaced to a much less noticeable one.

422 chroma subsampling won't be an issue with those systems since none of them, or any game console really, will output full 444. That only becomes relevant when you're hooking up a PC to the monitor. Your A24's 62HS card does support 444 via SDI, unlike the D24's noisy HD-SDI input card, BUT you would need to feed it dual link HD-SDI which is extremely hard to do as there's almost no equipment available that has dual link HD-SDI output.

Even if conversion to SDI is lagless, you can skip all of these inconveniences (chroma subsampling, noisy fan in the case of the D24--which even with a fan mod is not silent--, etc.) by simply using HDMI to analogue converters. The SDI signal gets converted to analogue by the monitor in the end anyway.

[nissling]

Every HDMI->SDI converter I've used have performed flawless (both No names, BMD, Decimator, Gefens, Kramer and other), while just about every HDMI->Analog (No names, HDFury, Deltaco etc) converters have given me issues in one way or another, especially when dealing with higher resolutions. SDI may not appeal to a general consumer but it is by far the most convenient way to hook up digital sources to broadcast monitors without losing quality all things considered as long as the signal is compatible. Main inconvenience with SDI would most likely be audio extraction depending on the source.

The Gefen converters are fairly easy to find and offer Dual link HD-SDI output for RGB and YCbCr 4:4:4. I had one myself but didn't get much use out of it. I believe the DeckLinks offer Dual link too but that is only relevant if you're using it with DaVinci.

[fernan1234]

Every HDMI->SDI converter I've used have performed flawless (both No names, BMD, Decimator, Gefens, Kramer and other), while just about every HDMI->Analog (No names, HDFury, Deltaco etc) converters have given me issues in one way or another, especially when dealing with higher resolutions. SDI may not appeal to a general consumer but it is by far the most convenient way to hook up digital sources to broadcast monitors without losing quality all things considered as long as the signal is compatible. Main inconvenience with SDI would most likely be audio extraction depending on the source.

The Gefen converters are fairly easy to find and offer Dual link HD-SDI output for RGB and YCbCr 4:4:4. I had one myself but didn't get much use out of it. I believe the DeckLinks offer Dual link too but that is only relevant if you're using it with DaVinci.

I don't see how HDMI to SDI is more convenient than HDMI to YPbPr component. It is more convenient than HDMI to "VGA" (RGBHV) since for most monitors that also involves using a sync combiner.

Appealing to my own experience as well, I'd say that I never had issues with "higher resolutions" (i.e. 720p/1080i which is the highest these monitors support). Ironically, the HDFury I had did have a problem with 240p from a MiSTer's direct video HDMI output, producing some ringing artifacts, but all other cheap DACs that do pass 240p don't have this issue--and SDI doesn't work with 240p. This also reminds me that a major disadvantage of the SDI route is that it doesn't support 480p along with 240p, only 480i, 720p, and 1080i.

And I'm surprised you consider those Gefen converters (scalers to be more precise) to be fairly easy to find. I never saw a lot of them listed on eBay, and they're usually listed for a couple hundred dollars. Besides, they are always in scaling mode, even when the input and output resolution matches, so the signal always gets processed. They're not ideal, but definitely a decent option for someone with an A-series BVM with no 68X card. But again I'd only bother with dual link in the first place for PC signals, not gaming consoles.

[RebeL9]

Ok guys I need your help. So I ordered an HD Fury 3 and I’ve tried to connect it first through my Crosspoint and then to the BVM D24. It didn’t work. Then I tried to hook the PS3 directly to the monitor through the HD Fury but still no luck. Here’s a pic of my dip switch settings for the Fury. Also I’ve changed the settings on the PS3 to not output anything above 1080i.
What could be wrong?

[fernan1234]

I thought you probably don't have the right firmware on your HDF3 but if I recall correctly you'd only see a black screen in that case, not that green noise. Have you also checked you have the right int/ext sync and ypbpr/rgb component settings on the monitor?

[RebeL9]

I thought you probably don't have the right firmware on your HDF3 but if I recall correctly you'd only see a black screen in that case, not that green noise. Have you also checked you have the right int/ext sync and ypbpr/rgb component settings on the monitor?

Thanks! It was all down to changing the sync to internal and the output to YPBPR. That made it.
While you are at it. How do you update the firmware to the latest on the Fury?

[fernan1234]

Thanks! It was all down to changing the sync to internal and the output to YPBPR. That made it.
While you are at it. How do you update the firmware to the latest on the Fury?

Glad to hear you worked it out.

If you can already display PS3/4 then you have the good FW, no need to update. If for whatever reason you need to, you can can find any software tools needed and instructions on the HDFury Discord server.