Black Label valuation

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:39 pm

Those in the know, what would you say is the current market value for a mint complete boxed Daioujou Black Label kit? Anyone bought one lately other than Zak?
Cheers

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:48 pm

How complete and in what condition? Are the instructions and artwork all original? There is one on yahoo auctions for $1500 that is missing the box (it also says that some of the stuff is copied). This seems like a reasonable price in my opinion.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:53 pm

You're shitting me? 150k for PCB with copied art (all of it as far as I can see)?
It's been relisted a couple of times, no bids. I would've thought half that for what it is?!
How much did BIG sell his PCB for a few months back?

ill6 · Post by **ill6** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:58 pm

Excellent offered me a bare board for $1000 a couple of weeks ago.

SuperPang · Post by **SuperPang** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:02 pm

ill6 wrote:Excellent offered me a bare board for $1000 a couple of weeks ago.

Right, that puts the PCB only at ~$800 imo

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 3:41 pm

$1500 is reasonable in my opinion. However if excellentcom is selling them for $1000 and you just want the pcb to play, go with them.

A mint complete black label kit with all original artwork is going to be hard to find. Unless you buy from a very reputable seller, how are you going to know the artwork is original? There is a great deal of copied artwork out there unfortunately. If you find someone who got their pcb directly from atlus/cave, and they can prove their kit is original, one thing is for certain: you are going to be paying way more than $1500 for it.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 4:25 pm

there are several PCB sellers in japan that have the PCB only for JPY100000 (+-a few thou).

the one at MAK comes with a flyer aparently, but no kits...

sophia has 2 PCBs..

zlk · Post by **zlk** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:01 pm

Gfront has a black label available for 102,000 yen. I didn't see anything about the artwork though.

parodius · Post by **parodius** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:04 pm

Any DOJ Black Label without original art and/or with the metal case seal broken might as well be a converted regular DOJ board.

sven666 · Post by **sven666** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:40 pm

parodius wrote:Any DOJ Black Label without original art and/or with the metal case seal broken might as well be a converted regular DOJ board.

now thats interesting.. arent there any distinguishing features?

didnt know a conversion was possible, thought cave games were highly encrypted?

Post by **undamned** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 12:04 am

sven666 wrote:
parodius wrote:Any DOJ Black Label without original art and/or with the metal case seal broken might as well be a converted regular DOJ board.
now thats interesting.. arent there any distinguishing features?

didnt know a conversion was possible, thought cave games were highly encrypted?

As far as I know, such conversions are nothing more than rumor. If anybody has hard evidence of such, please post. Would be nice to be able to pick up a standard DOJ set and convert it.
-ud

Post by **Dave_K.** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 6:39 am

undamned wrote:
sven666 wrote:
parodius wrote:Any DOJ Black Label without original art and/or with the metal case seal broken might as well be a converted regular DOJ board.
now thats interesting.. arent there any distinguishing features?

didnt know a conversion was possible, thought cave games were highly encrypted?
As far as I know, such conversions are nothing more than rumor. If anybody has hard evidence of such, please post. Would be nice to be able to pick up a standard DOJ set and convert it.
-ud

Unfortunally the only person that could have verified this is Japhei/BlastAway/ThirdStrike. He was in the process of getting the english language DOJ rom dumped just before he was discovered to be Japhei.

zakk · Post by **zakk** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:05 am

Dave_K. wrote:
undamned wrote:
sven666 wrote: now thats interesting.. arent there any distinguishing features?

didnt know a conversion was possible, thought cave games were highly encrypted?
As far as I know, such conversions are nothing more than rumor. If anybody has hard evidence of such, please post. Would be nice to be able to pick up a standard DOJ set and convert it.
-ud
Unfortunally the only person that could have verified this is Japhei/BlastAway/ThirdStrike. He was in the process of getting the english language DOJ rom dumped just before he was discovered to be Japhei.

Assuming you believe him about that whole thing.

parodius · Post by **parodius** » Wed Nov 30, 2005 7:46 am

undamned wrote:
sven666 wrote:
parodius wrote:Any DOJ Black Label without original art and/or with the metal case seal broken might as well be a converted regular DOJ board.
now thats interesting.. arent there any distinguishing features?

didnt know a conversion was possible, thought cave games were highly encrypted?
As far as I know, such conversions are nothing more than rumor. If anybody has hard evidence of such, please post. Would be nice to be able to pick up a standard DOJ set and convert it.
-ud

Yes you're right, but I'd be very careful before buying a Black Label.