PS2 and Framemeister

[iceman_0]

I recently ordered a new PS2, because my fat Ps3 broke and my old fat ps2 is not funtional as well anymore. In the past I was just using composite with the ps2, because back then I did not know any better. But for my second ps2 I want to use a better video cable. I will use the ps2 on my LCD with my Framemeister.

What type of video connection would you recommend, S-video, RGB Scart or Component?

[ASDR]

Long answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brMW6KFue-I
Short answer: Component with a quality cable (i.e. Sony, Monster, HD Retrovision)

[iceman_0]

Long answer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brMW6KFue-I
Short answer: Component with a quality cable (i.e. Sony, Monster, HD Retrovision)

Ok great. Thanks for the Info and the video.

[nmalinoski]

I second the notion for YPbPr component. With a quality cable, the picture quality is indistinguishable from RGB, and it will be simple for you to use ED and HD display modes (480p, 720p, 1080i).

You could very well use RGB, but do note that the PS2 will switch to RGsB for ED and HD display modes, which breaks compatibility with SCART hardware, and, as I understand it, the Framemeister does not support RGsB. There is a method to force RGBS for 480p+, but it requires modification of the hardware.

[ASDR]

^^^ All true

Oh, btw, since you're in Germany, you should try to find quality PS3 component cables. Neither Monster nor Sony released their PS2 component cables in Europe, so they're harder to find or you have to pay extra shipping and potentially customs/taxes. I was able to get a decently priced PS3 Sony cable shipped inside the EU. My 5$ no-name cables had huge amount of video noise and several decaying shadows / echos next to high-contrast edges, total crap, the Sony ones I got now look really sharp and artifact free through the my OSSC.

[iceman_0]

Thanks for the advice. I will try to get some PS3 component cables if they are easier to find. If not I have to find some more rare and expensive cable. I won't save on the cable thats saving on the wrong end. I want some quality cables.

I also think that component is the best way to play PS2 games but are they also ok for PS1 Games. as well? Will all PS1 games work with component cables or could there be some problems ?

[ASDR]

I also think that component is the best way to play PS2 games but are they also ok for PS1 Games. as well? Will all PS1 games work with component cables or could there be some problems ?

Yes, they all work. The MLIG video also addresses this as it's a common misconception. Some TVs don't do 240p over component, your FM will do fine of course.

[iceman_0]

I also think that component is the best way to play PS2 games but are they also ok for PS1 Games. as well? Will all PS1 games work with component cables or could there be some problems ?

Yes, they all work. The MLIG video also addresses this as it's a common misconception. Some TVs don't do 240p over component, your FM will do fine of course.

Ok good to know. And good that MLIG says that is a misconception. In the internet you can find rumors that some ps1 games maybe have problems with component but I am glad that is not the case when using a Framemeister.

Then I will go for component for sure. I will start looking for some cables now.

[Revolver Ocelot]

Thats an intersting thread. I got a japanese ps2 at a japanese only action site and I have a similar question as the original poster. Thats why I am asking her and do not make a own thread.

I also think that Component is the best bet for the ps2 and the Framemeister. But does anybody know if the cables are region free, so if buy some cable here in Europe they would fit into ps2 plug without any issues or do I have to look for something like

this


https://www.amazon.com/PS3-PS2-D-Termin ... B004CFBZ2G

to get my ps2 running with the Framemeister on my tv?

[Fudoh]

yes, the cables are region free and the D-Terminal cable would work as well, BUT considering that the FM isn't good at processing 480p signals, you might eventually want to the use the PS2 through another processor or directly on your TV instead. That's why I would get regular component cables instead and a RCA to D-Terminal adapter for the FM.

[Revolver Ocelot]

yes, the cables are region free and the D-Terminal cable would work as well, BUT considering that the FM isn't good at processing 480p signals, you might eventually want to the use the PS2 through another processor or directly on your TV instead. That's why I would get regular component cables instead and a RCA to D-Terminal adapter for the FM.

Ok thats great then. Thanks for the information. That makes things way easier if all cables fit.

I will get the standard component cable then. Can be useful to connect the ps2 directly to TV or can also be used with the OSSC when i have it as well some time next year.

[iceman_0]

Does anybody know a good online shop where i can find nice ps2 component cables. Amazon and also eBay just list some no nome cables and I am not sure if they are the decent.

the ony Option I am going to coinsider is getting the cable from HD Retro Vision in the US.

Or does anybody of you know a nice online shop that sells the stuff in Europe?

[Revolver Ocelot]

I found

that

http://www.wolfsoft.de/shop/product_inf ... (yuv).html


one during my search. It is from a german shop so could be conviniant for you. But according to some german Forums this online shop is more on the expensive side and the quality is not necessarily the best.

After reading this I decided to continue my search. So far have not found another good shop based in Europe selling yuv cables.

[iceman_0]

I found

that

http://www.wolfsoft.de/shop/product_inf ... (yuv).html


one during my search. It is from a german shop so could be conviniant for you. But according to some german Forums this online shop is more on the expensive side and the quality is not necessarily the best.

After reading this I decided to continue my search. So far have not found another good shop based in Europe selling yuv cables.

thanks for the link. The wolfsoft cable looks nice. With almost 20 euro is more expansiv than the other cables I found on ebay or amazon.

But are the more expansiv cables automically better than the cheap no name cables from China? I am not sure. Are there any users from germany you have experience with the wolfsoft cable or the Wolfsoft shop in general?

[nmalinoski]

Does anybody know a good online shop where i can find nice ps2 component cables. Amazon and also eBay just list some no nome cables and I am not sure if they are the decent.

the ony Option I am going to coinsider is getting the cable from HD Retro Vision in the US.

Or does anybody of you know a nice online shop that sells the stuff in Europe?

I'm sure Amazon is hit-and-miss, but you might be able to find some official Sony PS3 component cables on eBay; they're the same spec as the PS2 ones and can be used interchangeably. Failing that, I would wait for HD Retrovision's cables, as they'll likely be more readily-available and reasonably priced than your alternatives.

[ASDR]

Hm, I don't know if I'd trust these cables. They seem quite expensive. Also a few things that make me suspicious:

http://www.wolfsoft.de/shop/product_inf ... -1,8m.html

Here's a GC RGB cable that claims to use sync-on-luma from S-Video. Thing is, NTSC GCs don't have RGB and PAL GC's don't have S-Video, so I'm a bit skeptical that this cable actually does what they claim. This is unrelated to your PS2 problem, but it makes me suspicious of their offerings in general.

Normally, I'd just recommend http://www.retrogamingcables.co.uk. They make great quality stuff and the owner is a very responsive and helpful dude. Unfortunately, they don't have PS2 component cables. Bummer :/

I'd still say, just buy an official Sony one or the other two brands MLIG recommends (Monster and... forgot). Money spend, but problem solved. HD Retrovision is not exactly cheap and after intercontinental shipping + customs probably not best most affordable option.

[iceman_0]

Ok thanks for the further replies.

@ASDR I think you have a good reason to be suspicous. As Ocelot already said this cables have not the best reputation. So I will keep looking.

Retro Gaming cables Uk is indeed a name you find very often in the retro gaming cable scene, too bad they just sell RGB Scart cables.

I will keep my eyes to maybe find a original Sony cable and also watch to the Playstation two video of the my live in gaming guys again to figure out the other brand.

The monster cables should be hard to find Europe too. If Adam Koralik from youtube is right monster probibited to sell their cables outside the Us. Even in Canada. It was not about ps2 cables though it was about S-video cables for the Gamecube. If the info is correct not many guys in Europe should have the stuff.

But will keep my eyes open.

[ASDR]

You can actually set your PS2 to YPbPr and it'll happily output that over SCART RGB. The OSSC can be set to accept YPbPr over SCART, but I don't think this option exists for the FM. It's actually a neat trick to use SCART cables for Xbox/PS2 as both consoles lack any in-production component cable

I don't think any officially licensed component cables for the PS2 / Xbox were made available in Europe. Basically, for whatever reason, Sony & MS decided during that console generation they would not support >480i resolutions for that market, and they did not sell / license any such accessories, had things like 480p/1080i modes removed from PAL games and the Xbox video BIOS etc. That's why generally the only option for PS2 component cables are importing them, buying unlicensed 5$ no-name cables or getting the PS3 cables which were released in the EU and are electrically identical.

[Revolver Ocelot]

The original cables are indeed very hard to find. I will try this

one

https://www.amazon.de/amathings-PlaySta ... entenkabel


It is a no name cable but maybe it is nice for me. If not I will wait for the HD retro vision cable to be released.

in case you are interested iceman, I can post a report how I liked the cable. But will take some time.

My old ps2 is out of order and it will take some weeks till NTSC Ps2 from Japan will arrive.

In the meantime you maybe already found another cable

[ASDR]

Either this six-bucks-shipped-with-prime thing will be a turd or it turns out to be great you just deprived HD Retrovision of all their European sales, it's a lose-lose scenario

I think I would've gone with just using YPbPr over SCART if I had not found the 'cheap' official PS3 cables. Much easier to source a quality SCART RGB cable, all the same for the OSSC.

[Revolver Ocelot]

Either this six-bucks-shipped-with-prime thing will be a turd or it turns out to be great you just deprived HD Retrovision of all their European sales, it's a lose-lose scenario

I think I would've gone with just using YPbPr over SCART if I had not found the 'cheap' official PS3 cables. Much easier to source a quality SCART RGB cable, all the same for the OSSC.

The OSSC users have an advantage concerining the PS2. As you you wrote there settings that the OSSC can use YPbPr over Scart. I do not think the Framemeister has this Option too. The Framemeister is only scaler I have at the moment though.

But have too admit they more I know about the OSSC the more I want to have it oo. I will get one too in the near Future. For all the 480p consoles, like the ps2 and dreamcast the OSSC seems to be a must have. Still like the FM but for 480p content the OSSC seems to be the better choice.

But for now lets hope that the yuv cable from amazon will decent.

[ASDR]

It's a mixed blessing with the PS2. I'm not a fan of the OSSC's bob deinterlacing, my TV has poor native deinterlacing and the PS2 is the most 480i-heavy machine out there, so, yeah, the quality deinterlacer on the FM good to have for die-hard PS2 fans. Everything progressive is of course spectacular with the OSSC Gran Turismo 4 or Gradius V line doubled to 960p is pretty awesome. Being able to use the PS2's RGsB & YPbPr over SCART is a nice bonus. Hope the cable works out!

[iceman_0]

The original cables are indeed very hard to find. I will try this

one

https://www.amazon.de/amathings-PlaySta ... entenkabel


It is a no name cable but maybe it is nice for me. If not I will wait for the HD retro vision cable to be released.

in case you are interested iceman, I can post a report how I liked the cable. But will take some time.

My old ps2 is out of order and it will take some weeks till NTSC Ps2 from Japan will arrive.

In the meantime you maybe already found another cable

Yes please. Tell me. I am really curious about the cable.

I have not found a cable yet but some alternative ways to connect the TV.

It seems that there also some HDM adapters on the market to connect the PS2 directly via TV to market. What you guys think about that. Worth the money or should I get a real component cable instead?

[ASDR]

I have not found a cable yet but some alternative ways to connect the TV.

It seems that there also some HDM adapters on the market to connect the PS2 directly via TV to market. What you guys think about that. Worth the money or should I get a real component cable instead?

Considering you own a FM, no These are just components cables with a little FM in there, don't bother.

[nmalinoski]

It seems that there also some HDM adapters on the market to connect the PS2 directly via TV to market. What you guys think about that. Worth the money or should I get a real component cable instead?

Those HDMI adapters that plug directly into the PS2 are only good if your sole value is simplicity. Supposedly they're not good with color, and they don't do any scaling whatsoever, so if your display or downstream video processor doesn't support 240p over HDMI, you're screwed for a good amount of PS2 content and practically all PS1 content.

[iceman_0]

It seems some Posts were lost due the Software issues the board had yesterday.

So i have to ask again.

Do you have guys have any experience with the tomee component cables?


https://www.amazon.com/Tomee-Component- ... B0143IYYJW

The Price of them is quite nice, and the Review is also promising.

[ASDR]

Tomee has a bad reputation, the only cable I ever bought from them was total crap. Forget about Amazon reviews.

Just follow the advice and buy a Sony/Monster/HD Retrovision/whatever MLIG recommends component cable. If there was a 5$ solution to your problem somebody would've chimed in with that by now

[Revolver Ocelot]

@iceman I can't say anything about their Ps2 cables but when I was looking for a VG cable for my Dreamcast, I found out that the Reputation of their vga cables is not the best.

So it should be the best to listen to the advice from

Tomee has a bad reputation, the only cable I ever bought from them was total crap. Forget about Amazon reviews.

Just follow the advice and buy a Sony/Monster/HD Retrovision/whatever MLIG recommends component cable. If there was a 5$ solution to your problem somebody would've chimed in with that by now

[ASDR]

btw, looks like Behar Bros just announced their own line of PS cables:

https://www.beharbros.com/pro-cables

Always good to have more options from good cable makers!

[Revolver Ocelot]

btw, looks like Behar Bros just announced their own line of PS cables:

https://www.beharbros.com/pro-cables

Always good to have more options from good cable makers!

thats indeed good news. Lets see first how I like the cheap cable I ordered I do not like it I will order Behar Bos cable together with the toro box for the Dreamcast next month.

Thanks for sharing ASDR.