Super Nintendo Classic Edition (Star Fox 2)

[ZellSF]

https://twitter.com/NintendoAmerica/sta ... 2947847168

It's now a thing. I think its relevance for most people here might be... brand new SNES controllers?

[ZellSF]

http://www.businesswire.com/news/home/2 ... nces-Super

Terrible list of games. There's no Super Aleste anywhere in it.

[Xer Xian]

Are Yoshi's island, Star Fox and other games that rely on enhancement chips perfectly emulated nowadays? If not, I guess it could be interesting to see how Nintendo fares with these emulation issues.

I don't think I'll buy one though (not that I'd expect for it to actually be available anywhere for more than 2 minutes).

Edit: spelling

[Ikaruga11]

Is it still using Classic Controller ports? Is the emulation still terrible? Will a normal person be able to get his hands on it this time?

[bobrocks95]

I was hoping that with the NES Classic I'd be able to refurbish one of my old controllers, but after opening both of them up, it looked like filing and cutting would be required for every piece so I didn't bother. I'd assume this will be the same thing.

I'd like to know if the 4:3 mode is using filtering this time, or if it's still a crappy-looking nearest-neighbor approach. That's the single greatest flaw of the NES Classic I'd say.

Is it still using Classic Controller ports? Is the emulation still terrible? Will a normal person be able to get his hands on it this time?

Controller ports look like tiny SNES ports, which is the worst of both worlds- you can't use the controllers on anything else, not even a real SNES.

Emulation wasn't bad, the noise channel was the most off thing about it. If you really want to improve the emulation you can just throw Retroarch on there.

No, you won't be able to purchase one anyway

[ZellSF]

Are Yoshi's island, Star Fox and other games that rely on enhancement chips perfectly emulated nowadays? If not, I guess it could be interesting to see how Nintendo fares with these emulation issues.

They are perfectly emulated. But Nintendo makes some terrible emulators, so I wouldn't assume the SNES Classic will emulate them perfectly.

[Ikaruga11]

I was hoping that with the NES Classic I'd be able to refurbish one of my old controllers, but after opening both of them up, it looked like filing and cutting would be required for every piece so I didn't bother. I'd assume this will be the same thing.

I'd like to know if the 4:3 mode is using filtering this time, or if it's still a crappy-looking nearest-neighbor approach. That's the single greatest flaw of the NES Classic I'd say.

Is it still using Classic Controller ports? Is the emulation still terrible? Will a normal person be able to get his hands on it this time?

Controller ports look like tiny SNES ports, which is the worst of both worlds- you can't use the controllers on anything else, not even a real SNES.

Emulation wasn't bad, the noise channel was the most off thing about it. If you really want to improve the emulation you can just throw Retroarch on there.

No, you won't be able to purchase one anyway

The emulation was bad though. Aside from the arbitrary noise added, there's also input lag, audio delay and visual quirks. It sucked.

[bobrocks95]

The emulation was bad though. Aside from the arbitrary noise added, there's also input lag, audio delay and visual quirks. It sucked.

Didn't notice any visual quirks or audio delay myself. All emulators have input lag.

Again, you can just flash Retroarch to it, so it's not like that even matters.

[Guspaz]

Are Yoshi's island, Star Fox and other games that rely on enhancement chips perfectly emulated nowadays?

I don't know about perfectly, but it's worth noting that no SuperFX game has ever been released by Nintendo on any Virtual console service before. The closest we've ever got was full ports (like Yoshi's Island on the GBA). For games that didn't get ports, like Star Fox, I think this is the first time they've ever re-released it since the SNES. And in the case of Star Fox 2, it's never been released at all in its final finished form, only a leaked unfinished beta that needed romhacks to stabilize.

Controller ports look like tiny SNES ports, which is the worst of both worlds- you can't use the controllers on anything else, not even a real SNES.

They say it works with the classic controller and classic controller pro, so it's still wiimote-based. The ports on the front are clearly just plastic indentations for show, which would indicate that the wiimote controller ports are on the back of the console.

No, you won't be able to purchase one anyway

They've said that they will produce them in substantially greater quantity, and this time they have been explicit about them only being available until the end of 2017.

[bobrocks95]

They've said that they will produce them in substantially greater quantity, and this time they have been explicit about them only being available until the end of 2017.

The second half of that sentence doesn't inspire confidence though. "Substantially greater" is marketing talk, and Amazon UK pre-orders have already sold out within an hour (unless something's going on behind the scenes, like they didn't mean to have the page up already).

[Harrumph]

List is pretty spot on apart from Kirby's Dream Course. Of course what to replace it with would be an impossible choice though...

[Tatsuya79]

Looks accurate.

[paulb_nl]

For the NES classic I measured 2 extra frames of input lag compared to a NES+OSSC. Thats only 0.5 frames more than what you would get with a NES + Framemeister. With Retroarch I got 3-4 extra frames depending on the emulator.

The sound has an annoyingly big delay though. I hope they improve the sound with the SNES classic.

[DoomsDave]

Wii ports confirmed.

[Ikaruga11]

Will probably just end up getting the controllers for my Wii.

[Sumez]

Didn't they already make a SNES style controller for the Wii like these?

[Xer Xian]

Are the controllers and console displayed on the same scale on that image? If that's the case, then it's so tiny

[Ikaruga11]

Didn't they already make a SNES style controller for the Wii like these?

Yeah.

Nintendo made official SNES Classic Controllers for the Wii, and released them only through the Japanese and European Club Nintendo website as rewards. I have the Japanese one.

I still need to get the official NES Classic Controller. A hacked NES Mini with hundreds of games sounds tempting though.

[Lord of Pirates]

They've said that they will produce them in substantially greater quantity, and this time they have been explicit about them only being available until the end of 2017.

The second half of that sentence doesn't inspire confidence though. "Substantially greater" is marketing talk, and Amazon UK pre-orders have already sold out within an hour (unless something's going on behind the scenes, like they didn't mean to have the page up already).

May as well chuck the idea of getting one into a woodchipper. What puzzles me is why they're passing on the free money they could get by making more available.

[Ikaruga11]

They've said that they will produce them in substantially greater quantity, and this time they have been explicit about them only being available until the end of 2017.

The second half of that sentence doesn't inspire confidence though. "Substantially greater" is marketing talk, and Amazon UK pre-orders have already sold out within an hour (unless something's going on behind the scenes, like they didn't mean to have the page up already).

May as well chuck the idea of getting one into a woodchipper. What puzzles me is why they're passing on the free money they could get by making more available.

Nintendo is legitimately retarded and loves people to scalp their shit.

[Lord of Pirates]

Nintendo is legitimately retarded and loves people to scalp their shit.

I can dig it.

[bobrocks95]

Their goal with this and the NES Classic is to get buzz generated for the Nintendo brand, get people in stores, and ultimately to get people thinking about buying a Switch, which is a much bigger earner for them. They don't really care if you're able to buy their products or not, aside from the Switch.

Is it outdated and ass-backwards? Sure. Retarded- not really.

[Ikaruga11]

People who aren't able to get one will probably give up on trying to get a Switch.

[Elixir]

List is pretty spot on apart from Kirby's Dream Course. Of course what to replace it with would be an impossible choice though...

chrono trigger.

I'm surprised Earthbound isn't on the JP SFC version though, nor Live A Live or Romancing Saga 2.

[Sumez]

Romancing SaGa 2 > 3? I always preferred the third, but I gotta admit I don't have a lot of experience with the series apart from that.

Kirby's Dream Course is good, btw. It IS an odd choice among the huge classics that otherwise litter the lineup, but Nintendo franchises are free for them, so...

[bigbadboaz]

People who aren't able to get one will probably give up on trying to get a Switch.

More importantly, people who are interested in low-end, nostalgia-based items like this are not generally potential Switch customers at all. Totally different ends of the market.

Just bad strategy all around.

[Harrumph]

List is pretty spot on apart from Kirby's Dream Course. Of course what to replace it with would be an impossible choice though...

chrono trigger.

It seems obvious at first, I agree. What Chrono Trigger also has going for it is that it was never released in PAL, like Super Mario RPG (well, granted it was on the Nintendo DS).
But in the sake of variety a shooter like UN Squadron or Axelay, or something like Sunset Riders, Legend of the Mystical Ninja or even a puzzler like Tetris Attack would be more fitting, imo. I know TMNT is out of the question because of licensing issues (and Wild Guns was re-released recently for PS4).

Well, it's not gonna change now, it's a neat list and anyway it will be hacked within days or weeks of release...

[PixelDharma]

Can't wait for them to extract the StarFox 2 rom from this. I'd happily buy a repro cart with the finished version of the game

I am buying both a US SNES Mini and Super Famicom Mini, so don't hate me for piracy But I want StarFox 2 on OG hardware.

[Sumez]

But in the sake of variety a shooter like UN Squadron or Axelay, or something like Sunset Riders, Legend of the Mystical Ninja or even a puzzler like Tetris Attack would be more fitting, imo. I know TMNT is out of the question because of licensing issues (and Wild Guns was re-released recently for PS4).

Well, it's not gonna change now, it's a neat list and anyway it will be hacked within days or weeks of release...

Apart from Tetris Attack, every single game you're mentioning is a third party title, so it's not really comparable. I'm not sure how Tetris Attack makes more sense than Kirby's Dream Course, either. Both are low-key quirky fun titles, but neither is considered a major SNES classic.

[Harrumph]

Apart from Tetris Attack, every single game you're mentioning is a third party title, so it's not really comparable.

Hmm yeah the allocation of publishers is the same for both SFC and SNES version: N 14, Capcom 3, Konami 2, Square 2. Maybe that has something to do with it.