Seems so.
Discuss.
Taito Legends uses MAME.
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If I'm not mistaken, the same thing happened with the Midway Arcade Treasures. Nothing to write home about.Recap wrote:Discuss.
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I thought the part where R Belmont tells you to stop whinging about filtering and upscaling was comedy gold.
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Re: Taito Legends uses MAME.
This was also my favorite part.bloodflowers wrote:I thought the part where R Belmont tells you to stop whinging about filtering and upscaling was comedy gold.
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Whats wrong with someone wanting to play games that are 100% arcade perfect. Its annoying when it could be sorted out so easily, its just really lame.
Also its ok to moan about games not having a TATE mode but when you complain about the game in the wrong ugly rez people moan at you. It's the same difference.
Also its ok to moan about games not having a TATE mode but when you complain about the game in the wrong ugly rez people moan at you. It's the same difference.
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Nothing wrong, as long as these guys don't call infidels or idiots the other ones that seem to accept to play a somehow corrupt version of the game. None of these factions should bitching.99pence wrote:Whats wrong with someone wanting to play games that are 100% arcade perfect. Its annoying when it could be sorted out so easily, its just really lame.
Also its ok to moan about games not having a TATE mode but when you complain about the game in the wrong ugly rez people moan at you. It's the same difference.
It won't have them. Adding _fake_ scanlines (as MAME does) for an interlaced picture (like the one of Taito Legends) would look pretty bad. What MAME does and the Taito Legends emulator doesn't do is displaying the game at its original resolution, which, using a 15 kHz monitor would have added "real" scanlines, on the other hand.99pence wrote:Will it have scanlines? MAME does.
Seems that TL is not using exactly MAME, anyways, but an emulator based on it and the same ROMs MAME uses, which makes of any owner of the game legally entitled to download the ROMS and using them with the real MAME.
Agreed. Finding out that a MAME dev needs a "MAME" game to be released on a console in order to play it on a "bigscreen TV" was rather hilarious.I thought the part where R Belmont tells you to stop whinging about filtering and upscaling was comedy gold.
Cool way to make me here "not be the focal point of chaos", this one, btw. Or were those PMs just pure hypocrisy, bloodflowers?
Also do I. Belmont is such a winner.I like the part where he says raiden 3 is prettier than gradius V...
.Also its ok to moan about games not having a TATE mode but when you complain about the game in the wrong ugly rez people moan at you. It's the same difference
You know, since they don't care or can't even understand the subject, they moan at you. And then they speak about "tolerance". Hypocrites.
If it does (emulation), it's not MAME and it's only partially due to CPU speed issues, but still not known for certain. Nope.does taito memories do this too? also is taito tegends in true low res?
I'd love you put up here an example on how "these guys" call "infidels or idiots" to the others. You know, diffamation attempts serve better when illustrated.Nothing wrong, as long as these guys don't call infidels or idiots the other ones that seem to accept to play a somehow corrupt version of the game. None of these factions should bitching.
Really? I think it depends on the country, then. In Spain, you pay extra taxes for any writeable media you buy which goes to the authors. In theory, of course.zinger wrote:I thought even backup-copies of games were illegal?Recap wrote:Seems that TL is not using exactly MAME, anyways, but an emulator based on it and the same ROMs MAME uses, which makes of any owner of the game legally entitled to download the ROMS and using them with the real MAME.
No diffamation and no one in particular on my mind. It was... more like a theoretical situation. A speech by principle.Recap wrote:I'd love you put up here an example on how "these guys" call "infidels or idiots" to the others. You know, diffamation attempts serve better when illustrated.Nothing wrong, as long as these guys don't call infidels or idiots the other ones that seem to accept to play a somehow corrupt version of the game. None of these factions should bitching.
Well, /legally/ you can't - which is why they're valid as a product. Not unless you own all the arcade boards, at which point the collection is redundant for you.sethsez wrote:Unless the emulation here is far better than MAME or it includes some very nice extras, I'm not going to bother picking it up. I can already run these games on MAME on my TV.
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What happeend is that empire hired mamedev guys to help out with the product. Any mamedeve is allowed to do whatever they want with THEIR code, because as creators of it,t hey ahve every right to reliscense it, without bothering with the MAME liscense.
MAME is not fo sale. its' also not fo rbundling with ILLEGAL roms. but it can be legally bundled with legal roms.
MAMEDEV is not against commercial emulation, as long as they clear their copyrights.
now it is certainly funny that tatio couldn't supply thmem with the MCU dump to use the proper romset and so its using the bootleg one...
What happeend is that empire hired mamedev guys to help out with the product. Any mamedeve is allowed to do whatever they want with THEIR code, because as creators of it,t hey ahve every right to reliscense it, without bothering with the MAME liscense.
MAME is not fo sale. its' also not fo rbundling with ILLEGAL roms. but it can be legally bundled with legal roms.
MAMEDEV is not against commercial emulation, as long as they clear their copyrights.
now it is certainly funny that tatio couldn't supply thmem with the MCU dump to use the proper romset and so its using the bootleg one...
The only reason it isn't interesting is because it can already be easily obtained via illegal means. If ROMs weren't available, I'm guessing you'd probably think that the collection was great.
But hell, with that line of thought, why bother buying any games then? Just get a modded system and you can just download everything for free! [dripping sarcasm]What's the difference between the bootleg downloaded copy and legit game? Nothing you say? Well, that doesn't interest me and thus I shouldn't buy the games.[/dripping sarcasm]
Thankfully, there's people out there who want to support the game companies and actually pay for legal copies of their games.
But hell, with that line of thought, why bother buying any games then? Just get a modded system and you can just download everything for free! [dripping sarcasm]What's the difference between the bootleg downloaded copy and legit game? Nothing you say? Well, that doesn't interest me and thus I shouldn't buy the games.[/dripping sarcasm]
Thankfully, there's people out there who want to support the game companies and actually pay for legal copies of their games.
The thread is not about MAME's policies and I don't think you'll find anyone here disagreeing with you, actually, but about the honesty of a company using it and bootleg versions of romsets for a comercial game. And the final quality of the product due to that.zaphod wrote:The thread has continued.
What happeend is that empire hired mamedev guys to help out with the product. Any mamedeve is allowed to do whatever they want with THEIR code, because as creators of it,t hey ahve every right to reliscense it, without bothering with the MAME liscense.
MAME is not fo sale. its' also not fo rbundling with ILLEGAL roms. but it can be legally bundled with legal roms.
MAMEDEV is not against commercial emulation, as long as they clear their copyrights.
Why Taito should be doing that? It's not a Taito game and they don't need to care about its development. They just sold the rights for their use on a foreing product which even won't be distributed in Japan.now it is certainly funny that tatio couldn't supply thmem with the MCU dump to use the proper romset and so its using the bootleg one...
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The point is that this is a legal version of an illegal product made after said illegal product. An illegal copy of the game is different because that's made after the fact and is out of the game company's control, but with something like this, yes, I do expect more than what MAME can give me since MAME already exists and whoever's doing the compilation knows it exists.Ganelon wrote:The only reason it isn't interesting is because it can already be easily obtained via illegal means. If ROMs weren't available, I'm guessing you'd probably think that the collection was great.
But hell, with that line of thought, why bother buying any games then? Just get a modded system and you can just download everything for free! [dripping sarcasm]What's the difference between the bootleg downloaded copy and legit game? Nothing you say? Well, that doesn't interest me and thus I shouldn't buy the games.[/dripping sarcasm]
Thankfully, there's people out there who want to support the game companies and actually pay for legal copies of their games.
Let me put it this way: let's say there was a DVD rip of a movie that also came with an audio commentary track and a small documentary. Then the real, legit DVD comes out and it's totally barebones, even lacking trailers. Yes, I would feel ripped off. There are better options out there, legit or not, so why wasn't I given the option of purchasing them?
MAME has plenty of customization options, allows me to mess with the dip switches, etc. Now, since these options already exist then I expect the official release to at least match them, either with better emulation, exclusive extras, etc. If this includes something MAME doesn't have, I'll buy it gladly. If it includes EVERYTHING MAME can do with these games, I'll buy it. If it offers a substandard experience compared to MAME, then I won't support that kind of laziness when the developers know it's out there.
Well then, what's a good example of any classic arcade collection that emulates things better than MAME or many emulators out there?
Anyway, my point stands. The illegal copies of games almost always come out before the games themselves do. The real games offer nothing more than burnt copies except printed manuals, authentic discs, and cases. So why buy them?
It's understandable that you'd feel ripped off by the publisher's laziness if a game is identical to something that can be emulated but don't you do it anyway to support the publishers? Music can be downloaded like a joke but people still buy the CDs anyway in support despite the fact that the legitimate CDs offer nothing special.
Essentially, it seems that you're taking emulation for granted, as a bar for legitimate games to overcome via more and better features, instead of a temporary state of illegality waiting to be transferred into the purer state of legality.
Anyway, my point stands. The illegal copies of games almost always come out before the games themselves do. The real games offer nothing more than burnt copies except printed manuals, authentic discs, and cases. So why buy them?
It's understandable that you'd feel ripped off by the publisher's laziness if a game is identical to something that can be emulated but don't you do it anyway to support the publishers? Music can be downloaded like a joke but people still buy the CDs anyway in support despite the fact that the legitimate CDs offer nothing special.
Essentially, it seems that you're taking emulation for granted, as a bar for legitimate games to overcome via more and better features, instead of a temporary state of illegality waiting to be transferred into the purer state of legality.
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Yep. And even if folks don't like the quality of the emulation in such official packs, these collections are good ways to legally purchase the ROMs contained within, then people can emulate them on their platform of choice knowing they've now paid for them in some form.bloodflowers wrote:Well, /legally/ you can't - which is why they're valid as a product. Not unless you own all the arcade boards, at which point the collection is redundant for you.
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Aside from ones that have re-programmed 3D games, none that I can think of. However, they generally offer something else, whether in the form of rearranged games, commercials, history, or the spiffy museums in the Namco Museum series when it was still interesting.Ganelon wrote:Well then, what's a good example of any classic arcade collection that emulates things better than MAME or many emulators out there?
To support the developers who spent a lot of time and money into making the games. Not to support developers slapping MAME and some roms onto a disc, creating a front end and calling it a day. I'm not talking about comparing pirated games released days before street date to the actual product, I'm talking about software that's been around for years before work on this collection began. The developers knew about it from the very beginning, and should have strived to at least beat an illegal piece of free and easily obtained software.Anyway, my point stands. The illegal copies of games almost always come out before the games themselves do. The real games offer nothing more than burnt copies except printed manuals, authentic discs, and cases. So why buy them?
Except I don't see this as a unique album. It's more along the lines of a greatest hits. Now, it could be a good, informative greatest hits album, or it could be a release from a label the band has left that doesn't even bother to normalize the volume or offer interesting liner notes. The former offers something worthwhile, the latter offers something that could have been created by your average 14 year old with a CD burner.It's understandable that you'd feel ripped off by the publisher's laziness if a game is identical to something that can be emulated but don't you do it anyway to support the publishers? Music can be downloaded like a joke but people still buy the CDs anyway in support despite the fact that the legitimate CDs offer nothing special.
I'm taking it for granted because it exists, and because I expect an actual, official product to surpass an illegal, reverse engineered product. If a bootleg DVD has better video quality and more features than the official release, I feel the company has done a disservice to its fanbase since there's no reason for that except pure apathy.Essentially, it seems that you're taking emulation for granted, as a bar for legitimate games to overcome via more and better features, instead of a temporary state of illegality waiting to be transferred into the purer state of legality.
Bottom line for me: a hackjob compilation won't get my money. A half-assed compilation won't get my money. Now, just about every compilation I've seen offers some compelling reason to pick it up (Activision Anthology for the GBA being the most blatant to me), but MAME on a disc is really pushing it. However, I fully expect this to be tweaked enough to provide better emulation than MAME since it's dealing with 29 games specifically, so this is more of a theoretical argument than anything.