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Arcade monitor as classic game room monitor?

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I am about to purchase a brand new makvision 27/29 and I'm embarrassed to say I know little about JAMMA and tri mode input (EGA/CGA/VGA) I was told this had a switch for three different timing but I could not find a picture for the input. I am guessing it is 9 pin dsub.

So my questions are: has anyone used a MAKVISION as a home console TV? Is the VGA going to support 480p like dreamcast? And am is there a cord converter easily found to hook my scart consoles or do I have to figure pin outs and syncs? And most importantly will this give me my PVM equivalent picture and low lag input I am looking for?

Thanks for the insight. I hope this works :roll:
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Video levels are different, you'd need to amplify it. Here is one solution to that, and you'd need to adapt cabling:

http://etim.net.au/scart2arcV20/scart2arc2.htm

I have never used the makvision brand of crts, but you should have no lag at al if it is crt arcade hardware.

In terms of quality, usually arcade monitors are less than a pvm. But it all depend on their use and current state.

As for 480p, if it supports 31khz it should be able to display it.
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Thanks Artemio. On that diagram he does sell the complete unit. and as far as amplifying goes there was a description of the board that said this ( * RGB Video amplifier which contains clamp (DC restoration) circuit. ). Would that be sufficient or is there an amplifier you would recommend? and one other thing if the monitor supported 15khz gaming for my NES and such. Would I run into geometry and ghosting issues because the monitor supports higher resolution.

And I would love to get a PVM like phone dork has with his 29" NEC. But I cannot for the life of me find anything bigger than 20" and even the good 20's are being snatched as I notice alittle fade on the example pictures. Would anyone be able to share insight on a place I could find a 29" PVM/BVM?

I like the idea of a brand new CRT but this Frameister on my LCD sucks for mega man and street fighter. (part of this is the lag input on the TV but 30-50ms added from the unit doesnt help, when I'm getting 12ms on my old crappy CRT .)

thanks. The people at Xgaming wouldn't even answer my questions
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I think you can forget about 29" BVMs - there is a 24" HD model but according to my aspect ratio calculations it has no more size for 4:3 content than a 20" model. There are also 32" models but the pros always complained about the tube life and these are sure to be a pain to deal with as well.

if that is the size you're looking for, I'd check out presentation monitors from NEC and Mitsubishi as well as the PVM-2950qm. Possibly some of the big VGA monitors (I forget the names) from Sony will be usable too.

As for where to look - well, I'd be really careful about ordering anything online. If you do decide to roll the dice, make sure there's a return / DOA policy and try to get something shipped freight, instead of UPS/FedEx (they're very likely to damage anything fragile). Instead look for electronics recyclers and auctions in your area, like local government auctions listed in the paper, or on auction sites like Public Surplus or DoveBid.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:I think you can forget about 29" BVMs - there is a 24" HD model but according to my aspect ratio calculations it has no more size for 4:3 content than a 20" model. There are also 32" models but the pros always complained about the tube life and these are sure to be a pain to deal with as well.

if that is the size you're looking for, I'd check out presentation monitors from NEC and Mitsubishi as well as the PVM-2950qm. Possibly some of the big VGA monitors (I forget the names) from Sony will be usable too.

As for where to look - well, I'd be really careful about ordering anything online. If you do decide to roll the dice, make sure there's a return / DOA policy and try to get something shipped freight, instead of UPS/FedEx (they're very likely to damage anything fragile). Instead look for electronics recyclers and auctions in your area, like local government auctions listed in the paper, or on auction sites like Public Surplus or DoveBid.
Thanks for the tip. I'll check nearby surplus for sure. I didn't get very far with dove bid. Although the arcade monitor is tempting. (Brand new crt) but if the 15 hz gaming doesn't look right it's a deal breaker. does anyone here use an arcade monitor on scart in the U.S. ?
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Can anyone clarify some jamma info? I am new to the scene and lack most knowledge of arcade components especially when using them for home console use.

But the specific question I have is if I use an RGB SCART to JAMMA adapter with built in amplifier. Do I need to run this card off an arcade board and if so which arcade board or would I be fine with just my consoles and a power supply? Thanks in advance.
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JAMMA refers to a wiring standard for game boards and arcade cabinets, which is designed so any JAMMA arcade board can be used in a JAMMA standard cabinet. You can go from a JAMMA arcade board to a JAMMA cabinet (the intended purpose of JAMMA) or from a JAMMA arcade board to a supergun (which is essentially a box that takes on the functions of the cabinet and its wiring).

You can go from home consoles to a JAMMA cabinet, which sounds like what you're proposing. For this, you need your console, an appropriate console-to-JAMMA adapter, and a JAMMA standard arcade cabinet (so-called JAMMA+ wired cabinets, hosting games with more buttons than usual, might work, but you need to be careful here). I can't say what the recommended console to JAMMA adapter is today, but hopefully this points you in the right direction.
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Ed Oscuro wrote:JAMMA refers to a wiring standard for game boards and arcade cabinets, which is designed so any JAMMA arcade board can be used in a JAMMA standard cabinet. You can go from a JAMMA arcade board to a JAMMA cabinet (the intended purpose of JAMMA) or from a JAMMA arcade board to a supergun (which is essentially a box that takes on the functions of the cabinet and its wiring).

You can go from home consoles to a JAMMA cabinet, which sounds like what you're proposing. For this, you need your console, an appropriate console-to-JAMMA adapter, and a JAMMA standard arcade cabinet (so-called JAMMA+ wired cabinets, hosting games with more buttons than usual, might work, but you need to be careful here). I can't say what the recommended console to JAMMA adapter is today, but hopefully this points you in the right direction.
Very helpful Oscuro. But what if I just want to use the display and rely on the consoles controls. Is there an easy way to just use the monitor and be able to send the audio into my home enter 5.1 sound system. Is there an easy way to use the tri synd monitor as just a monitor without a supergun or JAMMA cab? I'm gonna buy it anyways because the worst that can happen is an atomiswave.
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RGB is sent along the JAMMA connector, along with audio and controllers, but every signal has its own separate lines. You aren't forced to use the audio or controllers in the cabinet this way; you could just send through the RGB signal (and maybe the audio) from the console, and use the console's controller as normal. I'm not sure of the details of when (or if) you need to disconnect the cabinet's controls in this case, it possibly depends on the adapter.

To me, it almost sounds as if you want to rework the cabinet or even just extract the monitor to put in a different form factor, because the cabinet's form is typically going to work best if you use the control panel.
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