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So, i have known about the little silver box for a while, but only now started listening to the music made with it.
Been listening to hard acid tracks from ishkurs guide.

So, share tracks, recommendations, revelations...
(also, tips and tricks to emulate the silver-beast-box welcome too)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC2-1lpXaRk gamma loop - stagmato seven
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d2QPqmIRrg gamma loop - eclipse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7V7pKzv6T0 ascorbin acid - sweet liberty
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raCbE8pZWvA - Sylverbox - "Exciter"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cugoU2DrzAk - Sylverbox - "Circle 7"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBgZjVIRVXo - Winx - "Lumpy Oatmeal"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDL569Ae5DE - Solar Quest - "Acid Air Raid (George's All Nighter)"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ye4XaPs45mA - Hardfloor - "Acperience"
https://soundcloud.com/dj_emphatic/my-a ... -you-alive - DJ Emphatic (yours truly) - "My Acid Will Eat You Alive Pt. 2"

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emphatic wrote: https://soundcloud.com/dj_emphatic/my-a ... -you-alive - DJ Emphatic (yours truly) - "My Acid Will Eat You Alive Pt. 2"
Just heard this, its all kinds of awesome... :D
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software options:

http://www.audiorealism.se/abl/abl2_announcement.htm

http://www.d16.pl/phoscyon

those are 2 of the better options, lots of freeware ones out there too.

And one of the better hardware clones, even copies the design of the original.

http://www.cyclone-analogic.fr/en/
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As a software recreation I recommend the old Rebirth RB-338 from Propellerheads, now freeware. As the name hints, it emulates two 303 and one 808.
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Ixmucane2 wrote:As a software recreation I recommend the old Rebirth RB-338 from Propellerheads, now freeware. As the name hints, it emulates two 303 and one 808.
It's a bitch to install on Windows 7 and upwards, but worth it.
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Big fan of Caustic 3. I tend to stick to the modular synth in it, but its bassline synth is pretty good too.
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I am looking for something free and easy to use.
Currently i am playing around with venom (have no clue how it works), tn 303 and creakboxbadboys.
I ll post back once I am done playing around with them on how it went.
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I was playing around with tal noizemaker, i can get that growling sound, but as soon as i play around with the filter the growl dissappears.
Tried TN-303, it doesnt sound that nice at all.
venom, creakbox and b-line 303 have builtin sequencers, guess have to play around with them.
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If you have an iPad/iPhone, there's the Technobox2 app. Rebirth was available for iOS, but I can't find it in appstore now. DB-303, Rhythm Studio, MicroTrack and more can be found by searching for "303".
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emphatic wrote:If you have an iPad/iPhone, there's the Technobox2 app. Rebirth was available for iOS, but I can't find it in appstore now. DB-303, Rhythm Studio, MicroTrack and more can be found by searching for "303".
Sadly android, with a partially functioning touch screen.
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VST wise AudioRealism Bassline is imo best at roundy/squelchy tones, but d16 Phoscyon is great too and seems to really do snarly/nasal stuff well (plus it has the distortion engine from Devastor I think).

A lot of my favourite electronic music = (909 AND/OR 707) + 303

I shall make a list of 10 of my favourites when I get home for you :).
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In the meantime though - definitely one of the finest pieces of hard(er) acid ever made is Hardfloor - Acperience 1...

I'm sure you have already heard it, but if you have not - listen to it NOW! :p
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emphatic wrote:If you have an iPad/iPhone, there's the Technobox2 app. Rebirth was available for iOS, but I can't find it in appstore now. DB-303, Rhythm Studio, MicroTrack and more can be found by searching for "303".
as that is AudioRealism - I'm sure the sound is great - you can also get an AudioRealism 303 for Reason:

https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/ ... nthesizer/

it sounds incredible, and when combined with the Softube 1176 emulation (and/or their 'Saturation Knob' Rack Extension) it sounds sublime IMO, plus as it's reason you
can use all those patching and sequencing techniques.
Here is an example of the sound you can get using it:

https://soundcloud.com/raytrace/nucolonysnip
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Fuse - Substance Abuse

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JonuLqgoQI8

Charles B - Lack Of Love

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12xouGZK8fQ

Hardfloor - Lost In The Silver Box

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVcBOtct8eo

Miss Djax - Mars 303

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mj-VS8FrIw4

808 State - Flow Coma

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vpcb70Npp50

Hardfloor - Trancescript (Remixed by Caspar Pound and LE Potter)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCi_S9zQcqU

N-Joi - Anthem (Vission Lorimer Acid)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCW59gR2Zow

The Prodigy - One Love (Jonny L Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKaOz8BpMKA

Saint Etienne - Like A Motorway (David Holmes Remix)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syg2jvMzf6M

Marco Zaffarano - MZ5

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=33PCO1NjLU0
(maybe not a 303 - I'm not sure - but certainly acidic)
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@raytrace: thanks dude, that will keep me busy for sometime.

Also, found audioId on android, its 2 303, 1 909, 1 707 emulator. the sounds pretty good, but i dont know how it will sound after getting it off my phone to the computer.
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nasty_wolverine wrote:@raytrace: thanks dude, that will keep me busy for sometime.
no worries at all man - is there a reason you only want to use your phone to make acid?

the classic Rebirth would easily run on ANY PC nowadays without a doubt, and it is great fun,
and even comes with a Hardloor song, so you can actually twiddle the knobs on a song they made :p :

http://www.rebirthmuseum.com/
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Raytrace wrote:is there a reason you only want to use your phone to make acid?

the classic Rebirth would easily run on ANY PC nowadays without a doubt, and it is great fun,
and even comes with a Hardloor song, so you can actually twiddle the knobs on a song they made :p :

http://www.rebirthmuseum.com/
Well, I am trying out different things and see which works. Rebirth is on my list too. But i did hear there are problems with it on Win7.
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nasty_wolverine wrote:Well, I am trying out different things and see which works. Rebirth is on my list too. But i did hear there are problems with it on Win7.
When ReBirth is first run on a fresh installation, the Help pops up, but it's using an old Windows help that's no longer part of the regular windows installation (past Vista or so), so you can't get past it to the application. Here's an installation guide: http://www.onetriberecords.com/rebirth_on_windows.pdf
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nasty_wolverine wrote:Well, I am trying out different things and see which works. Rebirth is on my list too. But i did hear there are problems with it on Win7.
When ReBirth is first run on a fresh installation, the Help pops up, but it's using an old Windows help that's no longer part of the regular windows installation (past Vista or so), so you can't get past it to the application. Here's an installation guide: http://www.onetriberecords.com/rebirth_on_windows.pdf
Hey, thanks for the doc, that will be useful.

In the mean time, on my way to learn synth programming and since the new synth1 was released with a TB-303 style LP filter, I tried recreating 303 on it. I came pretty close.

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the LPDL is the newly added filter that is something like it was in the 303, source.

Well, its not the 303 sound exactly, but its pretty close, and major part is that its missing the unique 303 waveforms. You "can" fake glide and accent with legato mode and changing note volumes respectively. Anyway I had fun trying to recreate the sound and learnt some more about synth programming, and then i found someone had the same idea with synth1 already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJrPA02EDqE not 303, but acid enough. It uses the old LP24 filter, which was fixed and is less squelchy than the LPDL but sounds decent enough.

next up is rebirth I guess.
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emphatic wrote:
nasty_wolverine wrote:Well, I am trying out different things and see which works. Rebirth is on my list too. But i did hear there are problems with it on Win7.
When ReBirth is first run on a fresh installation, the Help pops up, but it's using an old Windows help that's no longer part of the regular windows installation (past Vista or so), so you can't get past it to the application. Here's an installation guide: http://www.onetriberecords.com/rebirth_on_windows.pdf

wow great stuff - I shall give this a go tonight :)

I'm currently going through the dreaded 'get VST Plugins folder working again after an OS reinstall or new computer'.
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nasty_wolverine wrote:
emphatic wrote:
nasty_wolverine wrote:Well, I am trying out different things and see which works. Rebirth is on my list too. But i did hear there are problems with it on Win7.
When ReBirth is first run on a fresh installation, the Help pops up, but it's using an old Windows help that's no longer part of the regular windows installation (past Vista or so), so you can't get past it to the application. Here's an installation guide: http://www.onetriberecords.com/rebirth_on_windows.pdf
Hey, thanks for the doc, that will be useful.

In the mean time, on my way to learn synth programming and since the new synth1 was released with a TB-303 style LP filter, I tried recreating 303 on it. I came pretty close.

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the LPDL is the newly added filter that is something like it was in the 303, source.

Well, its not the 303 sound exactly, but its pretty close, and major part is that its missing the unique 303 waveforms. You "can" fake glide and accent with legato mode and changing note volumes respectively. Anyway I had fun trying to recreate the sound and learnt some more about synth programming, and then i found someone had the same idea with synth1 already.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJrPA02EDqE not 303, but acid enough. It uses the old LP24 filter, which was fixed and is less squelchy than the LPDL but sounds decent enough.

next up is rebirth I guess.
I'll check it out when I get home -Synth 1 is a great VST, and you've reminded me I need to update mine :)
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Yes, I CAN HAZ REBIRTH!!!

now to figure out how to use it with lmms
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nasty_wolverine wrote:now to figure out how to use it with lmms
Unless lmms has ReWire, you should export acid lines from ReBirth and import them into your DAW.

Protip: If you wanna export anything from ReBirth, start the loop you want to export with 1 bar of silence, or the very first note's attack will be cut off. It's a bug they never fixed, and it's easy to not notice it.

Protip 2: If you export the audio at the half speed of your track, you can play it back in your DAW at 2xspeed to get it an octave higher than possible with a 303. ;)
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emphatic wrote: Unless lmms has ReWire, you should export acid lines from ReBirth and import them into your DAW.

Protip: If you wanna export anything from ReBirth, start the loop you want to export with 1 bar of silence, or the very first note's attack will be cut off. It's a bug they never fixed, and it's easy to not notice it.

Protip 2: If you export the audio at the half speed of your track, you can play it back in your DAW at 2xspeed to get it an octave higher than possible with a 303. ;)
Yeah, i figured that out, lmms cant do rebirth :( . TBH, rebirth is so easy to program on. But i dont have a midi controller with knobs, have a casio CTK-3000, so i have to figure out how to automate knob twiddling or if it is even possible.

Thanks for the tips, i was already thinking along those lines of recording audio of rebirth and import it in as a sample track.
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nasty_wolverine wrote:But i dont have a midi controller with knobs, have a casio CTK-3000, so i have to figure out how to automate knob twiddling or if it is even possible.
Protip: ReBirth doesn't have an Undo function (it's in the Edit menu, but it's always grayed out).

Workaround:
a) Before you do any knob recording, set loop points to the start and finish of the loop, and use Edit/Copy (loop?) and you have a backup of the current loop with everything recorded on it.

b) Save each "take" as a new rbs file into a folder for your current project if you're in a "happy place" with the current loop.

When you're in Song mode, all mouse clicks, knob turns etc that you do inside the loop parameters (if the Loop is set to ON) will be recorded into the song. If you get stressed by switching knobs, just record one knob at a time. You can also record this at a slower bpm then

Here's how I do a loop export:

1. In Pattern mode, tweak the start off point of your loop until you're happy with it
2. Switch to Song mode and click Edit/"Initialize song from Pattern mode" (or Loop if you're doing a whole track in ReBirth and you're only changing a part of it)
3. Turn off all the patterns you've activated in Pattern mode and press Rec than Play to erase the first bar then stop playback
4. Go to the next bar and click Rec
5. Activate the pattern you want to start with then press play
6. Record all pattern changes at first, like a bassline that moves across notes for 16 bars (you can copy paste this loop a few times if you think this is boring work if your loop are around 128 bars, lol)
7. Save your song
8. Choose a filter knob to record, press Rec and record the knob sweep (hold down Shift to do finer movements)
9. Happy? Save your song
10. Record the next thing one.
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Jesus emphatic - you're a Rebirth guru :D
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Raytrace wrote:Jesus emphatic - you're a Rebirth guru :D
He's the Acid Man!!!!

seriously thanks emphatic, now to get busy making some tunes.
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