Onimusha composer fraud revealed

[Ed Oscuro]

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014- ... r-revealed

I don't really have anything to share other than the news and a "shiz be crazy, yo"

also just leaving this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcF7E69C6Q

[BIL]

Those dulcet tones... wapwapwap wapwapwapwahhh~ - so wait, who is actually to blame for Resident Evil: Be Quiet When Peanuts Adults Are Talking Edition? edit: ahh I see it was the nefarious ghostcomposer, not the nefarious fraudster. No excuse then.

VGMdb thread looks kinda interesting:

(Summary of the press conference and Bunshun's article)

- Samuragochi can hear; he listened to Niigaki's songs through recordings.
- Samuragochi has a government-issued type 1 level 2 disability card and received benefits for his hearing impairment.
- He's only a beginner on piano.
- Takashi Niigaki composed over 20 songs for Samuragochi and received ¥7 million in the past 18 years.
- Samuragochi received ¥30 million just for the royalties and broadcasting rights of "Symphony No.1 HIROSHIMA".
- "HIROSHIMA" was a rejected song that was supposed to be used for the game Onimusha.
- Samuragouchi presented the song "Sonatine for violin" to Mikkun, the violinist with an artificial arm, in 2012, who was 11 at that time. Samuragouchi found out about Mikkun 5 years ago on TV and contacted her. Mikkun and Samuragochi were both featured on an NHK special in March 2013, and on KinSMA in April 2013. After the TV broadcast, Samuragochi wrote to Mikkun's parents: "You were able to get on TV because of me, you lack gratitude towards me". Mikkun's parents who were surprised by this replied: "We appreciate you for all the help you've done, but we did not ask you to make us appear on TV.". Samuragochi became extremely mad and demanded things that were not feasible, and both sides have cut off ties since. The parents discussed this with Niigaki and Kouyama (the Bunshun writer). Niigaki confessed that he was the ghost writer and apologized. Kouyama also found out about this, which in turn led to this whole fracas.

(Niigaki's presscon)

- "I kept writing songs according to his instructions, and am his accomplice. I would sincerely like to apologize to all disabled people, to the people who believed in his words and listened to his pieces, and to the musicians who have performed these magnificently."

- "I initially started writing songs for him lightheartedly, but I will admit that I felt happy at how people have accepted the songs that I created through him. But the more he became popular, the more I grew worried that people would find out about this relationship, and I didn't want to deceive the people anymore with the music that I love."

- "I told him numerous times that we should put an end to this, but he threatened me and said that he would commit suicide if I didn't write for him anymore."

- "And after finding out that figure skater Daisuke Takahashi was going to use the song 'Sonatine', which I composed for his performance at the Sochi Olympics, I thought that at this rate, Takahashi-senshu would indirectly reinforce the lies that Samuragochi and myself have created. I hesitated in announcing this when I learned that Takahashi was shocked at this fact as this might hamper his preparations. But I didn't want to stay silent, as this will cause Takahashi-senshu trouble if this came out after the Olympics. People around the world would say that 'This skater performed with a fake song!'. I want Takahashi-senshu to know the truth and head into the Olympics fair and square."

[Udderdude]

Well that was unexpected.

[KAI]

Onimusha music meh.

[neorocker]

Been following this story since it broke. So incredibly bizarre. Samuragochi clearly has a wealth of issues that he needs to deal with. I feel awful for Niigaki being stuck in such a manipulative predicament.

[GaijinPunch]

Been following this story since it broke. So incredibly bizarre. Samuragochi clearly has a wealth of issues that he needs to deal with. I feel awful for Niigaki being stuck in such a manipulative predicament.

Reminds me of Milli Vanilli.

[Skykid]

So Samuragochi's a lying talentless prick. Who cares.

Gives da weeaboos something to cry about. Glad Niigaki came clean.

[BIL]

I curse my own incompetence in not linking this immediately.

[Edmond Dantes]

Honestly the thing I remember most about Onimusha is the voice saying "Jubei! JUUUUUUBEEEEEIIIII!"

[GaijinPunch]

I curse my own incompetence in not linking this immediately.

So powerful.

[Ed Oscuro]

So Samuragochi's a lying talentless prick. Who cares.

Gives da weeaboos something to cry about. Glad Niigaki came clean.

Strongest Emotion Shown In The Thread Award

[shmuppyLove]

I curse my own incompetence in not linking this immediately.

Since it's vidya related, I feel this is more appropriate

[RegalSin]

So an artist surviving, by the means of being a college professor ( a person attempting to use their knowledge through education ), is basically, not collecting the attributes or royalties for his works.
Because another artist, who realize what he can gain, but is hindered by his disability.

The deafing composer, would just need to give the teacher composer a fair share of money. They could go to court or do it in private.

Olympics is only meaningful to the athletes and spawncers. That is about it. The Olympics, is sappose to be a great thing, but the truth is the goverment does not really care about it at all, and just uses it to promote travel and tourism.

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The "teacher" probably feels that his work is a sport, an to see it be used, and then his name is not mentioned at all, was the breaking point.

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Trust me if it was 1998 or whenever Resident Evil first appeared. Nobody couldn't give one tooth sweet, about any of this information. Only because a lot of game people now have the big bucks, and the college education, they are making it an issue.

[BryanM]

Because another artist, who realize what he can gain, but is hindered by his disability.
The deafing composer, would just need to give the teacher composer a fair share of money.

Dude, the abstract clearly states:

* The guy isn't deaf. He's been collecting disability checks fraudulently, on top of the silliness.
* And he doesn't have the skill to compose commercial grade work.

"I can hear... sometimes."

: PPPPSSSSDDDDD

[BIL]

DIDN'T READ LOL

[BIL]

Statemento (link from VGMdb thread)

[RegalSin]

I did read, the article mentioned how they had a relationship, of some sort and the other one threaten to kill himself. I understand, what they are going thru, but from what I am reading the "composer" in question, would have not, gone anywhere near these entities.

Here is the question.

Was it the music teacher, Takashi Niigaki ( who is credited ) be the one to go to Capcom, or did Capcom staff just stumbled on to him, in an urgence?

Mamoru Samuragoch sounded like he had idea's ( like if I had an idea for a piece of music, did not have the 30 year training ), and he was stopped by a disability. So he asked his "buddy" he could work with to fill in the gaps.

MS, basically was a negotiator ( creative intrest ) or had thinking hat on. Would we even hear anything if TN ( or anybody for that matter ) would have worked on the material

You do not need to have the training of music, to make good music. He just needed TN educationed ability, to finalize the work he had "humming" or "blerpping" in his head, like many of us. I mean great, he barely has any educational ability in music, but that did not stop FORD from building a car company. Why should we have the other composer.

TN would probably have receded back to teaching, and saw this as an ability to make money on the side, with somebody he got along with. It is like all of these college professors, they do not do the job, for the glory, of education, they do it for the money and public assistance benefits.

If they went into this law business, it would be found that TN, would have tax issues for any claim, and his carrer as a teacher would also be affected. MS would have all kinds of charges against him, leading him to being out of work.

TN composed the works ( which he probably did not even care for, to begin with ) while he had his day job and was able a little tax free extra on the side. While MS, got paid extra for being deaf, and was lime-lighted as a hollywood start.


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[BIL]

Nice try, Samuragochi-san!

he had "humming" or "blerpping" in his head, like many of us.

TOOO EASEH.

[ryu]

i wouldn't be surprised if the guy was just stupid and insane enough to overplay a case of tinnitus. like maybe he really can hear, but also really thinks that he can't hear.

[RegalSin]

I am not creating my own story, I am being realistic. Like many of us, who tries to be creative, we can be lacking in many of the abilities, that allows creativity to be. Like you have the idea, but you have limitations on doing the work.

Think about the goods and services, of the world, and what they do for you.

He did not steal anything, it was given to him. It is like you might have an entire piece in your head, and you have the money, you have some understanding, but your still missing something, not the talent but the academic knowledge that is tied to it.

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Again the other guy was a teacher. You know, you say "good morning class" you go through the lesson, and ask "do you have any questions" you go over the work, and tell them to practice. His life was already done.

He did not approach any studio's, or had the intention of leaving his "Job" to persue a carrer, which he had already been happy with.

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This other guy is going to cry, because his music is being played at a sporting event? What, was this a promotion of some sort?

Is he is crying because he agreed not to take credit, or because he will only be remembered as a teacher??????

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Example:

On the Olympics

"my music is going to played at an event that has been going on for centuries, and all I have to show for it, is being a teacher". I am going to die, as a random person who had a job, and this deaf bum, is going to be remembered as the Japanese Beethoven.

On Resident Evil, and Omusha

"my music is going to played used in an videogame. Ho ho ho, well everybody needs a little push. That is why I became a teacher, so I would avoid, such people. Everybody needs to find a way to get a yen or two. "

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That is what this whole entire thing is about. He turned his back on the work, they did. Then the moment he saw something he respected, and cared for, he said phuck it. Real nice, he should just be happy with being a teacher, and not try and make this a big thing.


"the works are all mine, I did it, I did it, this other composer is just a deaf bum, who thinks this feudal Japan. I did it all, all he did was wave his hands around, and had all the sex and money. Ollllyyymmmppiiccccss, I am the better man, I am the winner."


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If the other guy had actually stolen his work. I would agree with him. But apparently they know each other, so I can't agree with him.

If he was jailed, in some pit, being forced to write music, I would agree with him. However no, he has his work, he made agreements, and now he is out for glory, fame, and fortune.

[BIL]

I am being realistic.

It's one thing to consider a story from different angles. Quite another to spew conjecture revolving around the "blerppings" in your head.

"ZOMG maybe the deaf d00d had paedo pics of the teacher and was just keeping him in line by taking all his moneys! I hear teachers sometimes get in trouble for fiddling their pupils!"

Like you have the idea, but you have limitations on doing the work.

TOUGH SHIT.

[drauch]

By Crom, I love this thread.

[neorocker]

If he was jailed, in some pit, being forced to write music, I would agree with him. However no, he has his work, he made agreements, and now he is out for glory, fame, and fortune.

He was manipulated. If you tell somebody "I'm going to commit suicide if you don't do this" it's manipulation and the verbal equivalent to being "jailed, in some pit, being forced to write music" because the guilt of it happening would be too much for most people to deal with and people do not want that kind of thing to befall other people. You can be manipulated into making agreements. That's what manipulation is. He's not out for anything. He wrote the music and Samuragochi is completely out of his mind.

I don't know what I'm bothering clarifying.

[RegalSin]

If that is manipulation, then I guess their is no such thing as love, peace, and honor.

That is not manipulation. The creator of Resident Evil also said that when Capcom decided to port RE4 to the PS2, but did he pull through?

The two are basically like family members, or they have a conduct of respect for each other. I am not saying they are lovers, of some sort, I am saying they go together like glue.

You are not getting the bigger picture, as a person who plays videogames, where is the respect. Why didn't something like this go down during the PS2, only now with the Olympics, this cry-baby is like, "uhmmmm can he hear?" I mean, after all of these years, he has regret. Did he have some kind of hold over him? Did he make arrangements? No, he did it as a favor.

If it was strangers, strangers, I would understand. If these guys had some kind of agreement on paper, I could understand. However what I am understanding one guy did something for another guy and said, "you can call it your work". In reality we do not know what really went on behind the scenes.

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That is like red riding hood deliving a Picnic Basket, and the mother calls on the phone and said, "RR is not delivering anything at all, I am the one delivering it, because I am the one packed the basket". But without anybody delivering the basket, the wolf would only have, the old lady to eat, and the woodsman would have nothing to save.

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The news reports is basically saying this is what occurred.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfuM2Ka7Lxc

It never went down like that, and even if it did, the other guy is just not happy because he made an agreement. In fact that is how it exactly went down. Another composer, paid off the other guy. But this time around he is just angry because he made more money then he expected

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Think about it like this, I gave you my car, I just brought. You used my car to pick up dates and get laid. You tell me all this time, you have been telling your spouses that you own the car, and that is the only reason. You pay me off, but then I got ticked off, and said, it is my time to get car hooch.
Then you say, come on bra I am going for a triple ZZ. That tripple ZZ belongs to me, because it is not your car.

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We go, oh that is the guy not responsible for that soundtrack, why didn't he come earlier? Maybe he just does not respect the sound track at all.

Okay lets be clear on this subject, remember the Beijing Olympics? The same thing occured with the little girl who sang the opening. It was really a recording of the other girl being played. Now that girl who appeared on television is hogging all the glory.

Lets be clear on something. The parents of the other girl could have just said no to her being dubbed. However they agreed. Because it is the parents fault, only then this is wrong because it violates "Uncle Festers" rights. Where children performers, have the rights for their money ( as with home alone getting a divorce from his parents ). In that case rights was being violated, on televisions everywhere, in this case is two grown men, making agreements. Sure he could have been like Capcom and say "We don't do things like that anymore", but instead he brought it ( out of respect as an associate ) and now he wants to take it back.

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The other guy is basically saying. I made a business arrangement with him, and now I want to back out. I am going to back out to the point where my name should have been mentioned, during the Olympics. Nothing else matters. Uhhhmmmm he is not deaf and can compose anything past a five year old, and is mental, he tried to commit, samurai suicide. I don't take any pride of me being a teacher. My name should be worshiped, not his.

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If I followed your definition of manipulated, then a lot of people would not be born, the military would be drafting everybody like 1984, and alot of things we think we love, would be unlovable.
He was not brainwashed, tricked, deceived, Jafar, or Aladdin. He knew what he was getting into, and decided to break, when he realized what he was doing.

The deaf composer, could have been his agent, but he decided to be a teacher. I wonder what was keeping him at work? Maybe he was up to other things at work, and this was just a side project, to abuse. Maybe he manipulated his students, and was getting something on the side. We do not know anything about this man asides, he is accusing the other composer of not being deaf.

[BulletMagnet]

That is not manipulation.

The guy actually doing the composing said he wanted to stop. The guy taking the credit for him said "keep doing it or I'll kill myself." So the first guy keeps up the act despite not wanting to. How difficult is this?

[RegalSin]

It is hard to follow, because I want to know the whole story, not the filtered.

Did the deaf composer admitted to any of this?

The deaf composer could be in a senile state, and the teacher wants to take advantage of this.

If somebody told you, they are going to kill themselves, and you do not owe them anything, why would you do it? What is so special about their life. It is their life and their decision, and you have no ties to them at all. Shinji Makima said the same thing, and he is still alive. So what makes their relationship so special.

[neorocker]

The two are basically like family members, or they have a conduct of respect for each other. I am not saying they are lovers, of some sort, I am saying they go together like glue.

If somebody told you, they are going to kill themselves, and you do not owe them anything, why would you do it? What is so special about their life.

I'm gonna explain a thing, although I'm aware this is essentially me shitting into a void here. Just because two people are very close in any way does not mean they respect each other in every way or even at all. People who are close and who you love can manipulate you, and manipulators want people to be close so they have some amount of control. If you're in a position where you care about somebody and that somebody says "if you don't do this, I will kill myself" that is dangerous manipulation. You care about this person, so you will do it, because you don't want them to die. The manipulator wants you in this position. This is the position that Samuragochi had Niigaki in. They were friends, and Samuragochi took advantage of this.

Niigaki does deserve the credit and recognition for his work. What he's been through is actually hell and I know because I've been there. Well, not exactly. But similarly.

Also, your post is completely bonkers front to back.

[ryu]

your post is completely bonkers front to back.

since you're new, you must have missed when this link was posted a little while ago

[RegalSin]

Between loved ones, I am not saying that is a good thing, and all. He has no contract and no proof, that any of this has been going on. What does he have to bring to the table??????

[trap15]