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...in the wrong direction.

In a move to seemingly liken itself to it's arch-nemesis, China, Japan passes the Himitsu Hogohou (Secret Protection Act) which states that journalists divulging state secrets can be subjected to 10 years in prison. What exactly is a state secret? It's a secret!
The move will apparently prevent media accessing information in four sensitive areas: defense, diplomacy, counter-terrorism and counter-espionage.

The information will be further divided into 23 types. Top officials from all departments would have the power to declare issues “secret”. The “secrets” could then be kept classified for up to 60 years.
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History repeats itself?

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Let's be positive about this: Japan's just catching up with the rest of the world.
... which in general hasn't been a good thing so I guess that angle doesn't really help.
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Nothing that an underground press won't undermine.

What the hell is won't a contraction of?
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mosey wrote: What the hell is won't a contraction of?
Will not.
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GaijinPunch wrote: What exactly is a state secret? It's a secret!
Can mr. Punch please report to the nearest government office, your admittance is required for a prison sentence of 1 (one) decade in regards to unpatriotic thoughts.
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Finally, journalists can and will be punished for spoiling anime season finales.
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HenAi wrote:Let's be positive about this: Japan's just catching up with the rest of the world.
... which in general hasn't been a good thing so I guess that angle doesn't really help.
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Friendly wrote:
mosey wrote: What the hell is won't a contraction of?
Will not.
Not to take this in a completely different direction than the topic, but that'd be w'not or w'ot. Unless w'ot became won't by virtue of ease of pronunciation, I'd say it's something archaic, like ain't.
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Language doesn't always make sense. It's not mathematics ;)
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Japan is just catching up with the rest of the western world in stifling free thought, expression, a the right to protest.

In a decade we'll all be in prison for thought crime anyways. (I'm sort of only half joking.)
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sven666 wrote:
GaijinPunch wrote: What exactly is a state secret? It's a secret!
Can mr. Punch please report to the nearest government office, your admittance is required for a prison sentence of 1 (one) decade in regards to unpatriotic thoughts.
That is exactly where this shit is going...
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broken harbour wrote:Japan is just catching up with the rest of the western world in stifling free thought, expression, a the right to protest.
I seem to recall hundreds if not thousands protesting on Wall Street and only a handful getting arrested. If you think Japan has even half the rights as a white person, you need to have your head examined.

This and this. Seriously, why do people get worked up about what Abe's dip shit line up says. They've been putting their feet in their mouth (up to their ankles) before they even took office.
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So long as it also stalls (and hopefully buries) that other bill, I'm sort of happy about this in a way, I guess.
On the other hand, you could see that bill and the recent hentai-related crackdown as one way to soften the blow this shit here creates. Ugh.

Makes me wonder what other related stuff there might be that we just haven't been hearing about in western media. Any other big (or not so big) "we're doing something about xy" in Japan this past year? Not counting the whole Senkaku stuff considering how long that's been going on already.
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What's "the other bill"?

Biggest thing judicially is that Japan signed the Hague Convention finally (although rather quietly). It doesn't really mean shit though until someone poor mother fucker actually gets his kid back from one of the many psycho women this cuntry produces.
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GaijinPunch wrote:What's "the other bill"?
The nth incarnation of "ban lolicon" (actually "ban possession of child porn but make sure it doesn't apply to actual real child models", though that's another can of worms).
You know, the one they bring up every few years with some minor variations.
Admittedly I have no clue how prominent that actually was in Japanese media before it got semi-buried again earlier this year.

Biggest thing judicially is that Japan signed the Hague Convention finally (although rather quietly). It doesn't really mean shit though until someone poor mother fucker actually gets his kid back from one of the many psycho women this cuntry produces.
Interesting, somehow I'd totally missed that.
Though I was more thinking in terms of stuff that makes for a huge ruckus domestically.
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GaijinPunch wrote:What's "the other bill"?
The nth incarnation of "ban lolicon" (actually "ban possession of child porn but make sure it doesn't apply to actual real child models", though that's another can of worms).
You know, the one they bring up every few years with some minor variations.
Admittedly I have no clue how prominent that actually was in Japanese media before it got semi-buried again earlier this year.
Nor do I. I don't really follow Japanese news as much as I should, but I've not heard of it. The only thing I've heard that otaku should care about in the last handful of years was when The Grand Dipshit himself, Ishihara personally insulted the otaku population of Tokyo saying something like they deserved the tsunami. Note this was right after the tsunami.
Interesting, somehow I'd totally missed that.
Though I was more thinking in terms of stuff that makes for a huge ruckus domestically.
Yeah, the Hague is a weird one. I could honestly see some people demonstrating against it though b/c of Japanese xenophobia. They've always claimed they were not signatories as to not have to give up a child to an abusive situation (despite the fact the Hague handles this). In other words, they've consistently held the position "we do it better" but finally gave into pressure from the US.
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The thread at Fucked Gaijin has a lot of tracktion...

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Mr. Woodford's thoughts:

As someone who during the Olympus scandal experienced first-hand the deferential and self-censoring nature of much of the Japanese media, Im profoundly concerned by the new state secrecy law. I remember a discussion with a leading Japanese financial journalist in January 2012, (held in front of Jonathan Soble of the Financial Times who broke the story) as to what would have happened if I had given them the file supporting my allegations, as opposed to a Western media outlet. The journalist was extremely honest in stating that they would have loved to have run the story but the editor would never have allowed this. The message was clear; you do not challenge a large Nikkei listed company of wrongdoing, regardless of the strength of evidence. I found this at the time profoundly depressing, as in developed democracies its the media which is the most effective mechanism for holding the powerful to account. We have seen this in practice from everything from Watergate to British parliamentarians being exposed for abusing their expenses.

Of course, every country has a fundamental right to protect its citizens interests and there is an obvious need for some issues relating to national security to be secret. However, it is the vague definition in the new bill of what actually constitutes a state secret which potentially gives officials carte blanche to block the release of information on a vast range of subjects. Whenever Im asked to comment on the disputed islands in the East China Sea and ongoing tensions with China, I always emphasize that Japan is a peace-loving democracy, but this loosely worded bill, in my opinion, is more characteristic of the state controls of the worlds autocratic regimes. In essence, anything which makes a journalist in Japan even more uncomfortable with exposing wrongdoing, wherever it may exist, is a worrying development when transparency and openness should be the way forward.

So it goes in the land of the setting sun.

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Strangely enough, The Daily Show recently did a piece on the NSA monitoring of online games; the lead-in to it discusses a semi-related satellite launch, and a rather prescient suggestion as to how this Japanese law is already halfway to a new logo.
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GaijinPunch wrote:
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GaijinPunch wrote:What's "the other bill"?
The nth incarnation of "ban lolicon" (actually "ban possession of child porn but make sure it doesn't apply to actual real child models", though that's another can of worms).
You know, the one they bring up every few years with some minor variations.
Admittedly I have no clue how prominent that actually was in Japanese media before it got semi-buried again earlier this year.
Nor do I. I don't really follow Japanese news as much as I should, but I've not heard of it. The only thing I've heard that otaku should care about in the last handful of years was when The Grand Dipshit himself, Ishihara personally insulted the otaku population of Tokyo saying something like they deserved the tsunami. Note this was right after the tsunami.
I don't have the Japanese sources on hand atm, but this guy's written a good deal about it, in case you feel like reading.
As for Ishihara, there's also the 2010 changes to the Tokyo Youth Ordinance.
Had forgotten about the tsunami comment, yeah, that was a classic one. At least he'll be kicking the bucket soon enough, considering his age.
Interesting, somehow I'd totally missed that.
Though I was more thinking in terms of stuff that makes for a huge ruckus domestically.
Yeah, the Hague is a weird one. I could honestly see some people demonstrating against it though b/c of Japanese xenophobia. They've always claimed they were not signatories as to not have to give up a child to an abusive situation (despite the fact the Hague handles this). In other words, they've consistently held the position "we do it better" but finally gave into pressure from the US.
Which may or may not be the same thing that happened here.
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Well the fact Ishihara did an about face turn regarding adult material could simply be a matter of age and changing perspectives, but him "claiming Japan had reached a state that was “too uninhibited"" is not altogether untrue.

Edit: actually I don't want this discussion again.

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Skykid wrote:it's a propagation of ideas and sexual delusions within the public consciousness that will play out in reality, behind closed doors, whether you want to believe it or not.
The idea already propagates itself; regardless of what you want to believe, age preference is a mix of genetics and upbringing, and doesn't really change. If someone likes little kids, they'll know it regardless of what they can or can't see. Removing a "safe" outlet of this does nothing to help keep people like that from actually molesting kids. There are studies on this, and they all show that removing access to pornography does nothing (or in many cases, makes worse) for the rate of such incidents.
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trap15 wrote: The idea already propagates itself; regardless of what you want to believe, age preference is a mix of genetics and upbringing
Mostly upbringing, studies have shown, if that's what you want to rely on: influences, of things around you, available to you, and visible to you during an age of sexual development.

If you think the reason Japan is so notoriously youth oriented when it comes to fetishism is purely because of genetics and parenting and not because of abundant and invasive media incessantly projecting schoolgirls as sexual objects, you honestly don't have all your dogs barking.

I don't want to have this conversation again, though. ;)
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Skykid wrote:Well the fact Ishihara did an about face turn regarding adult material could simply be a matter of age and changing perspectives
Actually he hasn't. At least to my knowledge, the law in question doesn't affect the novels he wrote (which have no pictures in them).
Edit: actually I don't want this discussion again.
Too late.
http://cphpost.dk/news/report-cartoon-p ... .2255.html Start there, then go digging for more studies.
That being said, even if lolicon being legal and readily available did lead to more related offences against actual children, I'd still be totally against censoring it in any way.
But then I'm also against outlawing saying "population group X should be hanged and quartered, you know", where X also includes any group I happen to belong to.
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HenAi wrote: That being said, even if lolicon being legal and readily available did lead to more related offences against actual children, I'd still
be totally against censoring it in any way.
Could you clarify this while I put my eyeballs back in their sockets?
http://cphpost.dk/news/report-cartoon-p ... .2255.html Start there, then go digging for more studies.
I've read that before: a ridiculously inconsequential determination by a single clinic with a limited testing ground for facts, unless they've managed to pinpoint actual child abusers not yet behind bars for further examination.

It's also the sort of 'study' Otaku use to defend Lolicon.

You want the same discussion again? Why? :?

Your sexual programming is largely determined by your influences during years of sexual development. Influences are myriad and come from a variety of sources.

Age preference is not genetic: most of us spend our budding youth surrounded by members of the opposite sex of a similar age in a youth oriented environment. In addition to that, men are drawn to child-bearing characteristics in women because of the subconscious desire for procreation, of which youthfulness is an affiliate. Programming periods end in the early twenties or thereabouts, and rarely deviate. A man or woman who finds a particular age range attractive from a sexual perspective probably will do so for the rest of their lives. This is utterly common in society and visible in both sexes.

Fetishism is bottomless: this is also to do with influences that form aberrant (by Christian moral standards) desires. If a young boy goes to school in a nursing home, there's a good possibility, depending on what he sees or hears during his exposure, that he may well end up with a granny attraction.

I don't believe in sexual 'perversion' - that's a term made to enforce guidelines in society - but sexual fixation is a lot to do with what we see and are subject to that have an affect on our perception of things.

Anal sex has become more popular than oral sex in the west, say studies of sexual practices. This isn't to do with genetics as much as it's to do with widespread consumer pornography - propagated via the internet - of anal sex. You see it, you think it, you try it, and perhaps you like it. Some are converted, others not.

I draw your attention to the sad ballad of Grace Quek, a promising and intelligent King's College student who "was gang raped and robbed in a rubbish closet under an inner-city housing block" when she was 18 years old. Annabel would go on to sign a contract to be sexually abused in a record breaking 251 man gangbang that caused her physical pain, in a highly public purging of the soul, at the age of 22.

The fact that emerging Lolicon fanatics are predominantly teenage has a lot to do with exposure to the internet and accompanying fads.

So no, I don't buy your study. You don't know anything about what happens behind closed doors, because no-one will be telling you. And no clinic has access to those statistics to build a case. The fact remains: imagery and occurrences shape your sexual programming. If you're exposed to it, it can influence the way you define personal sexual attraction.

Again, Japan is not predominantly youth-fixated because of a genetic strain, it's because they're bombarded with suggestive sexual imagery and material that fixates on youthfulness. You're a sponge, not a rock.

You will absorb, and you have the ability to act on your impulses if the opportunity presents itself, depending on the strength of your urges.
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If images of any kind encouraged people to act upon said images, the world would've been flung into chaos long ago.
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Lord Satori wrote:If images of any kind encouraged people to act upon said images, the world would've been flung into chaos long ago.
It is in chaos. But you're generalising 'imagery' rather than focussing on sexual fetishism (which is a chaos in itself) and its enabling factors.
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As for Ishihara, there's also the 2010 changes to the Tokyo Youth Ordinance.
Had forgotten about the tsunami comment, yeah, that was a classic one. At least he'll be kicking the bucket soon enough, considering his age.
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GaijinPunch wrote:...in the wrong direction.

In a move to seemingly liken itself to it's arch-nemesis, China, Japan passes the Himitsu Hogohou (Secret Protection Act) which states that journalists divulging state secrets can be subjected to 10 years in prison. What exactly is a state secret? It's a secret!
The move will apparently prevent media accessing information in four sensitive areas: defense, diplomacy, counter-terrorism and counter-espionage.

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Are you kidding me, have you not been following what's been going at home? The NSA can secretly access all our communications information to a secret extent for secret reasons and is only monitored by a secret court (if at all — we wouldn't know of course as it's a secret). At least in Japan they have a law and people know it's there, in the US we have to wait for somebody like Snowden to expose the shit that's happening.
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Skykid wrote:The fact remains: imagery and occurrences shape your sexual programming. If you're exposed to it, it can influence the way you define personal sexual attraction.
why not ban everything sexual and illegal then
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