Taito Legends not as good as expected

takohiko · Post by **takohiko** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:15 pm

Well, the final list of games from the Euro/US Taito Legends pack has been revealed (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/press_rele ... ?aid=11039) and it's missing a few games from the earlier list seen on Play.com, notably Darius Gaiden and Pop'n Pop. Which fucking sucks, if you ask me.

PepsimanVsJoe · Post by **PepsimanVsJoe** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:22 pm

There'd better be a second one of these.

Y'know one with all of the good games. All I see on this list is Space Gun and Rastan.

dave4shmups · Post by **dave4shmups** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 3:38 pm

takohiko wrote:Well, the final list of games from the Euro/US Taito Legends pack has been revealed (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/press_rele ... ?aid=11039) and it's missing a few games from the earlier list seen on Play.com, notably Darius Gaiden and Pop'n Pop. Which fucking sucks, if you ask me.

That is a disapointing list. But really, even with the 2 Japanese released volumes, you can get almost all of those games on other formats. Operation ThunderBolt, for example, got a fantastic SNES port.

I have a Saturn and the Bubble Bobble/Rainbow Islands pack is pretty cheap compared to it's PS1 cousin, and you don't have to unlock Bubble Bobble to play it, either. That was a very dumb move on the part of Taito.

But what kills these collections the most for me are the complete lack of ANY of the games in the Arkanoid series. For cryin' out loud, the original was so popular here in the States that it got a fuggin' Mac Plus port-and that wasn't a home computer that was exactly known for it's plethora of games.

BrianC · Post by **BrianC** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 4:41 pm

takohiko wrote:Well, the final list of games from the Euro/US Taito Legends pack has been revealed (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/press_rele ... ?aid=11039) and it's missing a few games from the earlier list seen on Play.com, notably Darius Gaiden and Pop'n Pop. Which (beep) sucks, if you ask me.

IMO, that is still a solid list of games, though the lack of later games like the Japanese collection is disappointing. Also, the fact that some of these games have been ported doesn't mean that they suck. It's nice having multiple games in one place too.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:40 pm

Wow, that list is horrible, seriously not one game interests me. You knew it was coming, but I didn't think they would get rid of all the good games.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:30 pm

what the fuck. just... what. the. fuck.

i even saw an article about Taito Legends in a Japanese magazine, that HAD screenshots of G-Darius and Darius Gaiden. what the fuck. that's about all i can say at the moment.

captain ahar · Post by **captain ahar** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:36 pm

well it appears i no longer have to feel ashamed for importing. i suppose that is good news... sort of... okay not really, but i have nothing else to say that doesn't include swears...

*poop* tee hee

tehkao · Post by **tehkao** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:35 am

Hey, at least Battle Shark frickin owns. One of my fave arcade games of all time. I believe it was never ported to a console either.

Maybe they're saving the good stuff for the later volumes.

professor ganson · Post by **professor ganson** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 1:42 am

First no tate. Now this. I think I'll wait til I can pick this up for $10 used.

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:50 am

The link wasn't working for me, so Google led me to au.playstation.com.

-Bubble Bobble
-Colony 7
-Electric YoYo
-Exzisus
-Elevator Action
-Gladiator
-Great Swordsman
-Jungle Hunt
-New Zealand Story
-Operation Wolf
-Operation Thunderbolt
-Phoenix
-Plotting
-Plump Pop
-Rainbow Island
-Rastan
-Rayforce
-Space Gun
-Space Invaders
-Space Invaders Part 2
-Return of the Invaders
-Super Qix
-Tokio
-Volfield
-Zoo Keeper

Looks really shitty compared to the original. Rayforce is there at least. But if there's no TATE, then that's fucking lame.

Space Gun, Operation Wolf, and Operation Thunderbolt need Guncon 2 support.

The final list is kind of a letdown (Where's Bubble Symphony?). I scoff at this.

Bloodreign · Post by **Bloodreign** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:31 am

Although it looks like the list got altered, there's still a few quality games on this compilation, but I'll pass for now, Capcom Classics Collection looks to be a sweeter deal.

sjewkestheloon · Post by **sjewkestheloon** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:12 am

well according to gamesTM and play.com, that list is wrong for europe. the list revealed elsewhere contains at least on darius game (i think gaiden) and is claimed to be official

takohiko · Post by **takohiko** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 4:49 pm

It's possible the missing games are actually included, and they just have to be unlocked. Or maybe Empire are planning another volume. Or maybe they've just fucked everyone over.

Moogs · Post by **Moogs** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 7:59 pm

takohiko wrote:It's possible the missing games are actually included, and they just have to be unlocked.

I should hope not; unlocking is the kind of artificial game lengthening bullshit you see in dodgy 3D platformers. There's no reason to make people unlock games in a compilation.

Post by **Ghegs** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 8:50 pm

Moogs wrote:
takohiko wrote:It's possible the missing games are actually included, and they just have to be unlocked.
I should hope not; unlocking is the kind of artificial game lengthening bullshit you see in dodgy 3D platformers. There's no reason to make people unlock games in a compilation.

Five games out of 25 in Taito Memories Vol.1 (and presumably Vol.2 as well) had to be unlocked through accumulated gametime. But even those games were listed as part of the compilation from day one.

gameoverDude · Post by **gameoverDude** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:03 am

Here's the list from Xplosiv (a division of Empire Interactive). Notably absent are Darius Gaiden and Rayforce.

# Bubble Bobble
# Colony 7
# Continental Circus
# Electric Yo-Yo
# Elevator Action
# Exzisus
# Gladiator
# Great Swordsman
# Jungle Hunt
# New Zealand Story
# Operation Thunderbolt
# Operation Wolf
# Phoenix
# Plotting
# Plump Pop
# Rainbow Islands
# Rastan
# Return of the Invaders
# Space Invaders / Space Invaders part 2
# Super Qix
# Thunderfox
# Tokio
# Tube It
# Volfied
# Zoo Keeper

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:33 am

OK, just so I am clear on this: games like Rayforce, Chack 'n Pop, ect. are still on the Jap comps, this is just a snafu for the Euro discs, right?

Post by **system11** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:40 am

Rayforce isn't on either of the two Japanese packs, or the European one.

It's a shame they didn't just release three packs globally. The Euro one is pretty far from just parts of jp vols 1+2. Why doesn't anyone look at the lists?

Someone in another thread was slamming Taito for not including Darius Gaiden, which of course was in volume 1.

Post by **system11** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:42 am

takohiko wrote:It's possible the missing games are actually included, and they just have to be unlocked. Or maybe Empire are planning another volume. Or maybe they've just fucked everyone over.

Or maybe this is the list of games by Taito they thought people in Europe were most likely to buy? Looking at the list - I can't fault that, these /are/ mostly the Taito games that were big or well known in Europe.

sjewkestheloon · Post by **sjewkestheloon** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:59 am

that's toss. i think we can assume the worst then. the pal release games listed at play.com have been changed to the list as posted above. however that still leaves gamestm supoorting the original posted pal list. fingers crossed anyway.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:32 pm

Taito Legends is already a dream come true for retro gamers and with extra features such as video interviews of the original games creators Mr Tomohiro Nishikado (Space Invaders, Space Invaders Part II, Pop 'n' Pop) and Mr Fukio Mitsuji (Bubble Bobble, New Zealand Story, Volfied), this collection will keep fans and gaming enthusiasts on the edge of their seats

I assume the interviews are on the Jap discs but are they subtitled? (i know i should be ashamed for asking that)

visuatrox · Post by **visuatrox** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 6:39 pm

For once I actually have to agree to their marketing decisions, the list for the Euro release contains far more games that people (or atleast I) have seen in arcades here..

Space Gun, Operation Thunderbolt, Operation Wolf great stuff!!

Space Gun is probably the arcade game that muched most of my coins when I was a kiddy.

Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 8:32 pm

bloodflowers wrote:
takohiko wrote:It's possible the missing games are actually included, and they just have to be unlocked. Or maybe Empire are planning another volume. Or maybe they've just fucked everyone over.
Or maybe this is the list of games by Taito they thought people in Europe were most likely to buy? Looking at the list - I can't fault that, these /are/ mostly the Taito games that were big or well known in Europe.

visuatrox wrote:For once I actually have to agree to their marketing decisions, the list for the Euro release contains far more games that people (or atleast I) have seen in arcades here..

Space Gun, Operation Thunderbolt, Operation Wolf great stuff!!

Space Gun is probably the arcade game that muched most of my coins when I was a kiddy.

You really think it's that? If they had access to the JPN releases code, then they definitely omitted some good stuff (Darius).

If, more likely to be, this "Legends" pack is something entirely hadled by a western team, well, they probably included what their emulation skill permitted them. Since Digital Eclipse wasn't able to run Smash TV at 60 fps on a PS2, these guys were probably scared by any post-1993 title.

I'd say this is a shame, but. Let's face it. You cannot get Bubble Bobble, Rainbow Island and NZS on a single disc and still complain. Not to mention Rastan. If the emulation is proven good, I'd shell out my money anyway.

visuatrox · Post by **visuatrox** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 9:24 pm

^ Well licensing difficulties may have something to do with it, but to me the list seems tailored to fit the western market better, those games I have actually seen at local arcades here.

I don't think that emulating difficulties has anything to do with it, especially considering SpaceGun is probably just as tricky to emulate as some of those shmups missing.

If I did not have a modified console, then I guess I would have also been annoyed by the fact that not all shmups are going to be included on the EU/US release. But for me personally, the EU/US release going to have different games is better

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Turrican · Post by **Turrican** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 12:09 am

visuatrox wrote:If I did not have a modified console, then I guess I would have also been annoyed by the fact that not all shmups are going to be included on the EU/US release. But for me personally, the EU/US release going to have different games is better .

Well, I can't really go against this logic!

Gotta mod my ps2 anyway...

Ganelon · Post by **Ganelon** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 10:33 pm

I thought this game was a PAL-only release.

Nemo · Post by **Nemo** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 11:09 pm

Ganelon wrote:I thought this game was a PAL-only release.

No, Empire is supposed to release it in the US as well, though this list of games is only confirmed for the UK. The obvious assumption however, is that the games will be the same since it doesn't seem very likely that they would put much more time and effort into a budget title.

DazTM · Post by **DazTM** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 1:10 pm

honestly you guys, this is a great compilation. just because all the decent shmups have been taken off...

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:59 pm

^^^I agree, if people concentrate on whats there rather than what isn't you'll see it's actually pretty good

Skyknight · Post by **Skyknight** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 4:57 pm

It's odd that they removed Pocky & Rocky--wasn't THAT one well received over here? (Meanwhile, was Chase H.Q. on either Japanese compilation?)

Still, I wouldn't be surprised if Empire crafts a vol. 2. THEN maybe we'll get access to Pocky & Rocky, Darius Gaiden, Rayforce, Chase H.Q., Cadash, etc.

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