Did Ketsui for PS3 help anybody hold off on buying Jap 360?

[MrOldSchoolCool]

Probably more so for US owners too with the Raiden releases being localized.

[Battlesmurf]

Heck no lol. There's been a ton of really solid shootie releases for Xbox (Japan). Though one of my favorites was the Raiden Fighters Anthology, that could have been had at one point for $10-15 in the US. I can't remember there being too many PS3 releases at all. Each system has its strengths and weaknesses, but Xbox turned out to be a really solid machine.

Out of curiosity, why are you avoiding it?

(Random, but my PS3 Ketsui seems to have a smidge of input lag compared to the 360 one. Might just be me though?)

[MrOldSchoolCool]

Heck no lol. There's been a ton of really solid shootie releases for Xbox (Japan). Though one of my favorites was the Raiden Fighters Anthology, that could have been had at one point for $10-15 in the US. I can't remember there being too many PS3 releases at all. Each system has its strengths and weaknesses, but Xbox turned out to be a really solid machine.

Out of curiosity, why are you avoiding it?

(Random, but my PS3 Ketsui seems to have a smidge of input lag compared to the 360 one. Might just be me though?)

To put it bluntly, I'm not as hardcore as most of the users on here and there's already a ton of shmups I have access to with a US 360.

Also, the question was more for people who don't own a jap 360 already (unlike yourself).

[Bonus!]

In my case it did. I was very close to ordering a Jap. X360, the main reasons being Mushi HD, Ketsui and the DDP DFK release (with "Ketsuipachi"). I'll probably pick up a Japanese Xbox once (if?) they go down in price a little bit since I still find it hard to justify buying a console for just a handful of games. Please note that I have a PAL X360, which already gives me access to a lot of Cave games.

[HydrogLox]

I'll probably pick up a Japanese Xbox once (if?) they go down in price a little bit since I still find it hard to justify buying a console for just a handful of games.

That is unlikely to happen as the Xbox 360 was already removed from the shelves of major Japanese retailers back in August 2011. There is no incentive to make the merchandise any cheaper as most places will ship such an item only via EMS which is pricey anyway. So short of being in Japan and walking into a store that is desperate to get rid of an used Xbox 360 I don't think there is such a thing as an inexpensive NTSC-J Xbox 360. Furthermore as production has shifted from the 'S' to the 'E' model they seem to have discontinued Japanese consoles altogether.
With such a fiscal restraint (and only a PAL Xbox 360) Mushihimesama HD and Do-Don-Pachi Dai-Fukkatsu Black Label (Raiden Fighter Aces, Raiden IV, Shooting Love 200X, Radirgy Noa Massive, etc.) will remain out of reach - unless you get a second console that can play all regions but not go on-line.

[hermit crab]

PS3 Ketsui along with the recent price drop did make the system more appealing, particularly in comparison to a Japanese Xbox 360. But I don't think I'll be buying either, if anything I might get my Euro Xbox 360 modded so that I can play region locked releases with it. Especially now that the system is dying and online play and system updates aren't really worth worrying about anymore. It would come with the added possibility to play bootlegs too of course - bet you wish you hadn't fooled around with region protection now, M$.

[MrOldSchoolCool]

Why did the PAL region get screwed out of the Raiden games when the US got it? Also, isn't there a way to download the black label for DFK?

[hermit crab]

Raiden Fighters Aces was supposed to be released in Europe but the publisher went bankrupt or something. Raiden IV wasn't even planned afaik.

[Kiken]

PS3 Ketsui along with the recent price drop did make the system more appealing, particularly in comparison to a Japanese Xbox 360. But I don't think I'll be buying either, if anything I might get my Euro Xbox 360 modded so that I can play region locked releases with it. Especially now that the system is dying and online play and system updates aren't really worth worrying about anymore. It would come with the added possibility to play bootlegs too of course - bet you wish you hadn't fooled around with region protection now, M$.

You do realize that the normal game software updates/patches are not permanently downloaded to the console, right? Unless you're pulling them down from some third-party source who has extracted them and set them up as standard downloadable files. Games that you have played while patched will bring up an error message if you attempt to play them unpatched.

Why did the PAL region get screwed out of the Raiden games when the US got it? Also, isn't there a way to download the black label for DFK?

HydrogLox was referring to DFK Black Label Package Edition (which includes the Ketsuipachi Arrange Mode not found in the DLC component).

[hermit crab]

You do realize that the normal game software updates/patches are not permanently downloaded to the console, right? Unless you're pulling them down from some third-party source who has extracted them and set them up as standard downloadable files. Games that you have played while patched will bring up an error message if you attempt to play them unpatched.

Sorry I don't understand what you are saying at all. Haven't looked into Xbox 360 modding much yet if it's still in such early stages that you need to play with patches etc maybe I won't bother yet then... But what I meant was that IDGAF anymore if I get banned from Xbox Live or whatever it is that would happen if I get "busted" with a modded console.

[Fudoh]

You do realize that the normal game software updates/patches are not permanently downloaded to the console, right?

but at least the updates aren't flushed out every once in a while on modded systems. Unmodded systems keep a certain number of updates on hand and if you go over that number the one longest not used is kicked out.

[Bonus!]

That is unlikely to happen as the Xbox 360 was already removed from the shelves of major Japanese retailers back in August 2011.

Thanks for the info! I wasn't aware of that and thought that there was a good chance of the price going down after the introduction of the Xbone (which I have absolutely no intention to buy due to the BS Microsoft tried to pull off). I also didn't know there was a new revision of the X360.

With such a fiscal restraint (and only a PAL Xbox 360) Mushihimesama HD and Do-Don-Pachi Dai-Fukkatsu Black Label (Raiden Fighter Aces, Raiden IV, Shooting Love 200X, Radirgy Noa Massive, etc.) will remain out of reach - unless you get a second console that can play all regions but not go on-line.

I've looked into that too. Please let me state that I have no interest in piracy. I just would like to run a handful of Japanese games. Last time I checked modding options it would have cost me up to 150 Euros, and besides, those mods don't seem to run regionlocked games either. There is RGH, but this seems restricted to the "fat" X360s. In short, paying a bit more for a JP X360 looks more appealing than going through all that hassle.

[ArmoredCore]

Which Raiden is being localized for ps3? Raiden 3 ps2 classic sux, input delay like the rest.

[Special World]

Got my J360 a long while back. Seems like almost every worthwhile release now has a region free or localized version. Only real gap is DOJ BLEX, imo.

[BPzeBanshee]

Got mine a month ago for Raiden Fighters Aces and IV. Will be investing in other titles like Shooting Love 200X and Ketsui later on down the track. Worth every penny.

So no, a port of a shmup on an inherently input laggy device did not help me hold off on buying a J360 at all whatsoever.

[xbl0x180]

Already own a J-360, but I'm still gonna buy the PS3 release, as well

[MrOldSchoolCool]

It seems like the Raiden games are a big draw for people getting J360s. I guess there are a lot of people from the PAL region.

[BPzeBanshee]

It seems like the Raiden games are a big draw for people getting J360s. I guess there are a lot of people from the PAL region.

Can't speak for the rest but I got fed up waiting for RFA PAL and putting up with Raiden Legacy's shit. I imagine I'm not the only one.

[MSZ]

It seems like the Raiden games are a big draw for people getting J360s. I guess there are a lot of people from the PAL region.

Not a big Raiden fan myself, but the RFA collection is definitely worth the money.(I also bought an used NTSC-J copy recently.)

[Bonus!]

How much did you pay? Solaris Japan has a used copy for 70 Euros...

[Chaos Phoenixma]

I'm not a Ketsui fan, so Ketsui was never a reason for me to want one. The only J360 game I'd care about is Mushihimesama HD, and I'm not buying a console for just one game.

[Kiken]

I'm not a Ketsui fan, so Ketsui was never a reason for me to want one. The only J360 game I'd care about is Mushihimesama HD, and I'm not buying a console for just one game.

Well, Mushi HD + a J-360 still costs less than the Mushi PCB.

[Sinful]

No. I'd love a Japanese X-Box 360, just not sure when I can budget it? Since it's a must cause even if I get a region free game, if it has a DLC add on (like Mushihime-sama Futari Black Label), I'm screwed by not being able to get it with it on a Canadian X-Box 360 account... er, if I had a Japanese one, I could get DLC, right? RIGHT?! If not, then screw it. And all this region protection crap.

[HydrogLox]

Since it's a must cause even if I get a region free game, if it has a DLC add on (like Mushihime-sama Futari Black Label), I'm screwed by not being able to get it with it on a Canadian X-Box 360 account... er, if I had a Japanese one, I could get DLC, right?

No need to get a NTSC-J 360 or Japanese Xbox Live account for the Mushihimesama Futari Black Label DLC in particular.

http://marketplace.xbox.com/en-US/Produ ... 02435a07d7

With a NTSC-J 360 you can download patches for your physical media NTSC-J games with your regular Xbox Live profile.
Once you "crafted" a Japanese XBox Live Account for yourself DLC can be accessed and purchased with region-specific MS cash.
As I understand it only Games-On-Demand will give you trouble - requiring a proxied VPN connection.

[Sinful]

Wow, that's great news! .. So, I take it it's still possible to get region specific currency too then?

[HydrogLox]

So, I take it it's still possible to get region specific currency too then?

http://www.solarisjapan.com/categories/ ... ointcards/

http://www.play-asia.com/xbox-live-poin ... -3y5k.html

http://www.play-asia.com/xbox-live-poin ... -3y5l.html

are just some examples ...

[MSZ]

How much did you pay? Solaris Japan has a used copy for 70 Euros...

90 Canadian dollars.

[Oniros]

The release of Ketsui combined with Deathsmiles hitting Android as well as the recent sale on all Cave mobile shmups definitely delayed my purchase until next gen hits I believe.

[BareKnuckleRoo]

The release of Ketsui combined with Deathsmiles hitting Android as well as the recent sale on all Cave mobile shmups definitely delayed my purchase until next gen hits I believe.

The portable releases are a poor 2nd best to the console ports. Having physical buttons makes an enormous difference compared to the finicky onscreen buttons, especially with a game like Galuda 2.

[Astraea FGA Mk. I]

When I got mine I expected SDOJ to be region locked which was part of the rationale. Mushi HD, Ketsui and DOJBLEX are worthwhile, no regrets. I have a PS3 but no arcade stick compatible with it so the Ketsui release isn't an option.