What's the best new HD CRT currently produced?

[ASilver76]

When it comes to display tech, I find the members of this forum incredibly insightful, even moreso then those in the AVS forums. So I wanted to ask the following question, and get as much feeback from as many people as possible (including, of course, Fudoh & co.): what's the best new HD CRT currently available on the market today? Size doesn't matter, but everything else does; I'm looking for a unit that can handle classic gaming (from 240p on up) as well as all types of film/digital media. If it requires additional hardware connected to tweak the unit for specific types of gameplay, no problem. The key is that out of the box it has to be a quality product, with multiple input source capability. Nothing else matters - including widescreen features.

Again, any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

[Fudoh]

There is certainly none in production any more.

My tip would be Sony BVM-D32E1WU.

[PC Engine Fan X!]

The last time it was possible to buy such a HDTV CRT TV monitor was in 2007-2008 at Circuit City & Best Buy.

Protip: Check your local Goodwill stores for some HDTV CRT based monitors on the cheap. I'd check the backside of a typical CRT-based HDTV to make sure that it has the desired A/V inputs: RCA Composite Video, S-Video, Component Video & HDMI inputs...if not, don't make the purchase.

PC Engine Fan X! ^_~

[Ed Oscuro]

Well, if you are lucky, you can still find these CRTs "new."

Actually...I would be interested to know about lag on HD models, just keep in mind there is that possible complication that's been rumored. If you want a SD CRT (or an EDTV) then you have some good choices for sure. I haven't done extensive testing or use of it, but I really like the KV-27FS120, a silver-cabinet 2006 model Sony Wega in 27".

[Omnicron]

The answer will also depend on which country you live in. If you were in Australia as I am, I would tell you to go for the Sony KVHR36, that will give you pretty much the best HD crt TV down under.

Heres my video on this tv specifically for gaming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwvYErdz5pI

However I don't believe you'll be able to get the absolute best of both worlds on one crt alone. HD crt for Hd consoles, sd rgb crt for older consoles.

Although there plenty of upscaling options for the older sd consoles to a hd crt/display that the guys in this forum know plenty about.

[matrigs]

The answer will also depend on which country you live in. If you were in Australia as I am, I would tell you to go for the Sony KVHR36, that will give you pretty much the best HD crt TV down under.

Heres my video on this tv specifically for gaming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwvYErdz5pI

However I don't believe you'll be able to get the absolute best of both worlds on one crt alone. HD crt for Hd consoles, sd rgb crt for older consoles.

Although there plenty of upscaling options for the older sd consoles to a hd crt/display that the guys in this forum know plenty about.

that crosshatch test gave me a boner.

i always thought that it's very hard to achieve such geometry on a flat screen - at least the consumer tv sets i have seen were pretty bad.

[undamned]

My tip would be Sony BVM-D32E1WU.

Yowza, that thing's a beauty!

This thread inspired me to check my local craigslist for pro monitors and it turns out there are multiple local sellers dumping multiple SONY PVM-8041Q units.



Looks sweet AND cute!
-ud

[ASilver76]

First of all, thanks for all replies. Good stuff there!

Second, I'm located in the US, which is something I should have mentoned earlier.

Third, I was under the impression that both LG and Samsung (along with a few others) were still making CRTs, even if they were crappy (i.e. LG). If I'm wrong, then I stand corrected.

Finally, one more question: what's the largest quality CRT you guys recommend? The SONY PVM series do look sweet - but I'd also like to know if there's something larger that's (almost) as good and still available on the secondary market.

Looking forard to reading more replies!

[ryu]

Finally, one more question: what's the largest quality CRT you guys recommend? The SONY PVM series do look sweet - but I'd also like to know if there's something larger that's (almost) as good and still available on the secondary market.

how large? what resolutions should be supported?
i'm not sure how readily they're available in the US, but nec has at least one model in 37" 4:3 that should take anything from 240p up to 1024x768p. it's labeled the Multisync XM37 if you want to look it up. i think they have a model of that size that takes even higher resolutions (including 1080p) as well. nec tubes are not as good as sony tubes, but still extremely good and well worth their money.

[Ed Oscuro]

A regular 27" CRT might be just 60 pounds or so. A Sony Trinitron KV-27fs120, on the other hand, is around 100 pounds and a bear to move around. 37" and so will be a nightmare.

Sony's pro models weigh even more.

If you ask me, the 27" 4:3 monitors give you more than ample viewing space, unless you have your chair set far away (like on the other side of the room, which seems unusual for most gaming). It's much bigger in comparison with my 16:10 26" LCD monitor than the numbers would indicate.

[ryu]

i know a 37" tube is overkill just brought it up because he was asking for something larger than a pvm. i just hope he wasn't aware that there are 29" PVMs as well.

this should be a nice hd crt if the 32" sony bvm is too large and expensive for ones taste. dunno if it's available in the us though

otherwise there's the nec xm29 plus. should take 1080p at a size of 29" 4:3. 16:9 material will still have a nice size if you're close to it.

[Fudoh]

Sony's pro models weigh even more.

The 32" BVM weights 210 lbs.

[Ed Oscuro]

I wonder, how much do 14 and 17 inch models weigh? Seems like a reasonable size but hopefully not so heavy. Honestly I would like to get a larger one but don't want to mess with 100 pound CRTs again soon.

[ASilver76]

Well, I now know that both 29" and 37" inch models do exist...and that I'm going to get a hernia moving them. When it comes to resolution, as far as I am concerned, the higher the better, but it's not a trumping issue - tube quality and geometry/alignment options are both most important to me.

[shadowman]

How does the Sony BVM-D32E1WU handle 240p? I notice the signal format is 15.625 - 45khz but the lowest resolution is 480i. Does it convert 240p to 480i?

[Fudoh]

perfectly. Philexile's is just purchasing one.

[lettuce]

So whats the idea 4:3 Sony BVM or PVM to go for for 240p signals?

[Fudoh]

BVM is a safe buy, while there are many PVM models, ranging from "not better than a standard TV" to "nearly on a BVM level".

[lettuce]

BVM is a safe buy, while there are many PVM models, ranging from "not better than a standard TV" to "nearly on a BVM level".

Have seen some PVM's that dont even have BNC connections on the rear, just wonder what models of the PVM and BVM are good ones to go for?

[Endymion]

There is certainly none in production any more.

My tip would be Sony BVM-D32E1WU.

Heh, looks like you can still get them, if you can manage to order a minimum of 250 units. Various other vendors on that site as well with similar terms.

[Fudoh]

CRTs produced in China nowadays are total crap.

[Endymion]

I didn't say they were wonderful, I just said they exist.

And in a way, that all by itself actually is kinda wonderful.

[Jeneki]

Related to PVMs, is there any difference (inputs, image quality, etc) in the medial versions? Sony PVM 1943 MD, Sony PVM 20M2MDU, etc.

[fagin]

CRTs produced in China nowadays are total crap.

It's quite a shitbag actually as I always thought my arcade CRT's were "OK" to "Good". Since using my BVM they look utter shite!

It's a vicious circle of thinking you know what is good until you see something better and then your standards are taken to the next level.

[BuckoA51]

This thread inspired me to check my local craigslist for pro monitors and it turns out there are multiple local sellers dumping multiple SONY PVM-8041Q units.

You should buy those up and make this:-



Then just wait until someone makes a decent Aliens game and set it up to run on all the monitors via some monster PC SLI rig.

[geniusbits]

How does the Sony BVM-D32E1WU handle 240p? I notice the signal format is 15.625 - 45khz but the lowest resolution is 480i. Does it convert 240p to 480i?

Am looking at picking up a D32E1WU and would like to know the answer to this. I'm assuming no CRT monitors "support" 240p, hence scan lines, right?