Why are the shoddy CAVE ports so expensive?

[evil_ash_xero]

On Ebay, Ibara, Mushihimesama, and Do DonPachi DOJ BL EX, all go for over a hundred dollars. Compare that to ESPGaluda II, Mushihimesama Futari, Do DonPachi DOJ PS2, ESPGaluda, and Ketsui. All of them tend to go for under a hundred.

What's the frickin' deal with that?

If there are less of them, because less people bought them, because they were sub-par...therefore, they go for more money...well, that's ironic.

[Chaos Phoenixma]

Galuda II and Futari are common. DOJ BL Ex is a rarer port due to the code thing, and it was pretty much supposed to be a near perfect port in regards to gameplay, and the patch fixed the load time thing which was the complaint about the release, not anything regarding gameplay. Not sure about the others.

[Elixir]

Galuda II - Platinum Collection release.
Futari - Platinum Collection release.
DOJ - Mass printed by Arika.
Galuda - Mass printed by Arika.
Ibara - single print
Mushihimesama - single print
DOJBLEX - single print, plus the game is basically illegal

I believe a reprint of Ibara was planned at one point.

So, there's your answer. It comes down to the amount of copies in circulation, not the quality of the port.

[Bananamatic]

It comes down to the amount of copies in circulation, not the quality of the port.

it's not like the collectors play the games or anything

[Skykid]

Value is always determined by scarcity and never by quality. Here's proof:

[mjclark]

DOJBLEX - single print, plus the game is basically illegal

I'm fascinated- why?

Also why is it such a surprise that it's purely about profit?
Some people talk about CAVE etc on this forum like they're their best friends but actually they just want your $$$$$$$ like any other successful company.
If we're feeling charitable we can say that they have to be ruthless to survive and deliver the games we want. If we're being cynical call it "greed".

[Vamos]

DOJBLEX - single print, plus the game is basically illegal

I'm fascinated- why?

Also why is it such a surprise that it's purely about profit?
Some people talk about CAVE etc on this forum like they're their best friends but actually they just want your $$$$$$$ like any other successful company.
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This x1000 ive said it before aswell some of the cave fanbase here are straight up weird and do talk about cave like we all have some weird family obligation to them , lol like the people who reported sh3 to them .BLEX is illegal because it featured stolen arika code i believe .

[nZero]

Mushihimesama - single print

It did get a PS2 The Best budget rerelease but there still aren't that many copies floating around.

[Paradigm]

If we're feeling charitable we can say that they have to be ruthless to survive and deliver the games we want. If we're being cynical call it "greed".

Since when have you ever felt charitable?

I agree though, they're out there making games and trying to sell them for a profit. Greedy bastards.

Burn the games and play them for free - that's what I say. Fuck CAVE and their success. It's the little guys in the industry who really need your money.



Like EA.

[BrianC]

The bad thing is that I'm actually interested in playing, or at least renting Shift 2 since one of the drivers featured in it was a classmate in high school.

[xbl0x180]

Billions of people throughout history and the world have been working/motivated out of self-interest (i.e., money and things). This is obvious. Why would anyone think members here view the game developers at CAVE differently? Were CAVE formerly known as UNICEF or something?

Anyway, I bought a used DOJ 360 game for 70-something bucks on Amazon a few months back. Came in almost new condition and I played it for days

[mjclark]

If we're feeling charitable we can say that they have to be ruthless to survive and deliver the games we want. If we're being cynical call it "greed".

Since when have you ever felt charitable?

I agree though, they're out there making games and trying to sell them for a profit. Greedy bastards.

Burn the games and play them for free - that's what I say. Fuck CAVE and their success. It's the little guys in the industry who really need your money.



Like EA.

That's a really nice NFS collection there...
...also I don't think anyone's critiscising companies for trying to make a profit, just expressing surprise that people get indignant about it.
This came up in another thread too, but are you suggesting that people shouldn't buy games they enjoy from large successful companies.

And what's with that "when have you ever felt charitable?" comment? It seems to be a weird personal dig which has no place on these forums
Feel the spirit of Christmas Paradigm....go on feel it lest this thread turns into yet another flameware in that name-calling nerd-raging, virginity-confirming, bullied-at-school, still-living-at-home-in-your-twenties, escaping-into-a-secret-fantasy-world-to-avoid-crushing-low-self-esteem-and-social-maladaptation,get-aggressive-on-the-internet-to-relieve-the-inability-to-address-any-genuine-issues kind of way which has recently become so prevalent on these forums...

Shoddy CAVE ports are expensive cos that's the price the market will support and we can all agree on that eh?

[Gus]

Burn the games and play them for free - that's what I say. Fuck CAVE and their success. It's the little guys in the industry who really need your money.



Like EA.

lmfao

[mjclark]

This thread is turning into this thread.
Let's all stop it now before it gets out of hand and Gus gets appalled again...

[Bananamatic]

Fuck the police

[mjclark]

Fuck the police

Where's the picture?

[BulletMagnet]

I believe a reprint of Ibara was planned at one point.

Yeah, a Best release was planned but never materialized.

[Stealthlurker]

Value is always determined by scarcity and never by quality. Here's proof:

Sorry for going off topic but...

Iron Commando is a good game, but then again I liked Legend. Tone down the ridiculous difficulty/cheapness of the computer and the game is quality. If they would have adjusted the gameplay such that you didn't have to spam jump kicks (like in Legend), it would have been a truly great beat'em up. So many nice little touches here and there. I also like the mine cart ride in the game. Lastly I'm a big fan of atmosphere and this game has it. Overall way more impressive to me than overrated Ghost Chaser Densei. I told Steve back when we used to discuss "obscure SFC games" we discovered during our collecting run via PMs that the game looks like it could be a CPS1 beat'em up (he ended up putting that in his RVG review).

By the way, what's a CIB going for these days? Back when I was in the SFC game it was around $200USDish.


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[Elixir]

DOJBLEX - single print, plus the game is basically illegal

I'm fascinated- why?

Also why is it such a surprise that it's purely about profit?
Some people talk about CAVE etc on this forum like they're their best friends but actually they just want your $$$$$$$ like any other successful company.
If we're feeling charitable we can say that they have to be ruthless to survive and deliver the games we want. If we're being cynical call it "greed".

Well, when someone tries to sell your commercialized source code for profit, it's called plagiarism! I'll let you figure the rest out.

[DQuick]

Do DonPachi DOJ BL EX does not go for that much on ebay. It's up right now for $82. It's worth noting you might need to pay more for a copy with the booklet if you want it, but then a limited edition of Futari isn't under $100 either.

That said Do DonPachi DOJ BL EX has now been patched and by all accounts isn't as bad a port as Ibara and Mushi, so it being cheaper only reinforces your point.

Crap games are expensive because life is ironic. I'm off to buy a copy of Final Fight Revenge.

[mjclark]

DOJBLEX - single print, plus the game is basically illegal

I'm fascinated- why?

Well, when someone tries to sell your commercialized source code for profit, it's called plagiarism! I'll let you figure the rest out.

So who sold what to whom? Did Arika steal from CAVE? Is there somewhere I can read up on this?

[DQuick]

From memory 5PB used code from the Arika PS2 port in the 360 port without permission.

There is a mention of it on wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoDonPachi_Dai_Ou_Jou

[stryc9]

I got Ibara used w/ the strategy guide about 3 or so years ago for about 85 bucks, and I was surprised when I saw it for considerably more than that recently.

Mushi limited edition PS2 is the most expensive videogame I have ever bought except for the 100 Megashock carts for Neo Geo back in the early nineties (I paid almost four hundred dollars for the home port of Fatal Fury 2 from Virgin Megastore in '91).

I knew about the port quality going in, but for completion's sake they had to join the collection (I did wring a lot of enjoyment out of them to be fair, and that was when I was still playing yoko on a tiny CRT). Finally getting Ibara and Mushi on a big screen tate CRT setupwas a bit of a sweetener for me.

Anyway just rambling.

Burn the games and play them for free - that's what I say. Fuck CAVE and their success. It's the little guys in the industry who really need your money.



Like EA.

Awesome

[emphatic]

DOJ BL EX is excellent. Haters gonna hate.

[Phellan Wolf]

DOJ BL EX is excellent. Haters gonna hate.

I concur. Only white label version was broken due to the copy&paste stolen code from the ps2 port. Black label is a really good port though, if You could bear the loading times and X-mode is one of the best modes of all the Cave ports so far. So all in all BLEX is a must IMO, try it with the patch and You won't be let down if You love DOJ.

[moh]

I didn't even know the Ibara and mushi ports were considered shoddy O_O..

where were they lacking?

[Chaos Phoenixma]

Ibara is supposed to have 0% slowdown accuracy on it's port on parts that have slowdown.

If that's not a shoddy port, what is?

[xbl0x180]

I don't care about the change in slowdown, so it makes it a good port

[AntiFritz]

Ibara and mushi also that that shitty filter.

[moh]

Ibara and mushi also that that shitty filter.

shitty filter? D: