I'd like to see RahXephon

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:48 am

After seeing Evangelion, I've been wanting to see RahXephon.

What do you guys think of it? Is the series worth the high asking price (something like $60$70 at Best Buy, I guess)? Is it better than Evangelion?

Thanks

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:51 am

I think its MUCH better than EVA. The character development in the series is unmatched by most animes in recent years.

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:00 am

It's a great show. Really. It's definitely worth it. It's mostly similar to Eva in the "mysterious giant robots" theme only, however. They're very different and both worth seeing.

roushimsx · Post by **roushimsx** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:29 am

RahXephon was fantastic.

fpbrush · Post by **fpbrush** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 2:50 am

From what I've watched (3-4 volumes worth) I would definately recommend it for an Eva fan. Cthulhu is right on both accounts that is like Eva-- but different enough where it definately warrants a viewing. I hear it only gets better from where I have viewed up until. Check it out.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 4:57 am

Well hell, this is re-assuring. I think I might just pick it up.

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 5:46 am

If it makes you feel better, I bought all the discs separately at 25 bucks apiece, and then the movie for another 25 bucks... and I still feel as though I got my money's worth.

DaBoss · Post by **DaBoss** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:11 am

It's a very good show, but not as good as Eva. Trust me on this one. This is coming from a film major. Eva is a good deal better.

TalkingOctopus · Post by **TalkingOctopus** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:20 am

I think I'm going to pick it up as well. Deep Discount DVD has the complete set for $60, which is pretty cheap for anime. It received really good reviews from the anime news network:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/reviews ... php?id=506

How come I've never heard of this one before? Also, what's the deal with the movie? Is it worthwhile and different from the TV series?

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:14 am

Do not watch the movie, unless you REALLY want to see the extra scenes. It messes with the story of the series and will only confuse if watched immediately after finishing the show.

I paid out of my ass for this show (cheapest you can get in Denmark is around US MSRP) and I still feel like I got all my money's worth. The new ADV thinpak collection is definitely a fantastic deal, and saves space on the shelf as well.

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:33 am

I did'nt like it, and I'm an EVA fan. The battle-scene "animation" is terrible, and they end it in a lame fasion (imo). Still, worth seeing and it contains some great idieas.

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:42 pm

*spoilers ahead*

The ending was a lot like Eva's, except you actually saw what kind of world he made. See Dual - Parallel Trouble Adventure episode 14 for an actual exploration of the newly created world. Three shows, almost the same ending, three degrees of exploration of the new world

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:49 pm

Nuke wrote:I did'nt like it, and I'm an EVA fan. The battle-scene "animation" is terrible, and they end it in a lame fasion (imo).

Not to be a pain in the tuckus or anything like that, but as an Eva watcher myself, methinks that we have the least right of ANY type of anime fan to criticize another series for "lack of animation" or "cop-out endings."

That said, though, I've never seen Rah, so I can't say how it compares.

silvery wings · Post by **silvery wings** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:22 pm

Rahxephon is great. Its like a more mature Eva where you dont have to listen to shinji whine half the time. It does have a cop-out ending, but only a little worse than eva's. I have yet to see the movie, anyone know if its any good?

Bar81 · Post by **Bar81** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 7:14 pm

It was MILES better than EVA, but that's not saying much (that crap series is sickly overrated). Still it was good and kept the interest although I won't be paying money for it.

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:07 pm

silvery wings wrote:Rahxephon is great. Its like a more mature Eva where you dont have to listen to shinji whine half the time. It does have a cop-out ending, but only a little worse than eva's. I have yet to see the movie, anyone know if its any good?

What the hell kind of an ending were you expecting if you're calling RahXephon's ending a "cop-out"?

MSZ · Post by **MSZ** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:57 pm

silvery wings wrote:Rahxephon is great. Its like a more mature Eva where you dont have to listen to shinji whine half the time. It does have a cop-out ending, but only a little worse than eva's. I have yet to see the movie, anyone know if its any good?

The movie is awful. Buy it or rent it if you have lots of money to burn.

Capt. Takehiko · Post by **Capt. Takehiko** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 9:58 pm

I enjoyed it, I got the series for much cheaper. Anime is considerably cheaper in Australia for some reason. The box set was labelled 40$ and was in a 50% discount bin at the computer shop where I purchased it. My only complaint would be a slow beginning that you sought of have to bare with.

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 1:03 pm

Not to be a pain in the tuckus or anything like that, but as an Eva watcher myself, methinks that we have the least right of ANY type of anime fan to criticize another series for "lack of animation" or "cop-out endings."

Well, at least they animated EVA where it counts.
And the movie fixed the cop-out ending imo.
Rahxephon's was kinda like Legend of The Four Kings end, just in reverce.
The so called "Oooooh, it was just a dream" syndrome.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 4:24 pm

Nuke wrote:Well, at least they animated EVA where it counts.

Heh, that one's debatable, methinks.

And the movie fixed the cop-out ending imo.

To some extent, though it also added in a slew of other crap which confused and disturbed us even more!

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 8:28 pm

End of Evangelion didn't fix a thing. TV ending and End are two different endings. End is a big middle finger to those who whined because they couldn't understand the TV ending.

And RahXephon wasn't just a big dream or anything like it. There was no cop-out. Unless you like to call all endings cop-outs, just because they end, or something.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:04 pm

Naiera wrote:End of Evangelion didn't fix a thing. TV ending and End are two different endings. End is a big middle finger to those who whined because they couldn't understand the TV ending.

Those are minsconceptions; what ended up as EoE was what the original final two episodes were originally planned to be (hence, why EoE is split into two "episodes"), and were written and scripted before the TV show even ended. However, since Gainax ran out of money near the end of the TV series, they substituted the infamous "budget-cut" ending for the TV series; years later, once Eva's marketing blitz had caught on and Gainax had money again, they went back and made EoE and released it in theaters to "properly" end the series as had originally been intended.

This is a widespread misconception, but it's definitely not true.

TalkingOctopus · Post by **TalkingOctopus** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 9:48 pm

I actually like End of Eva. The only part I could do without was the live footage. I never understood the point of it -- they should just stick with animation!

Naiera · Post by **Naiera** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:23 pm

BulletMagnet wrote: This is a widespread misconception, but it's definitely not true.

First I've ever heard of your little story. End and TV ending are two different endings, there's not much more to it. Call them alternate endings or whatever, but there's no doubt what the good ending is. In the TV ending Shinji gets to create whatever world he likes, like the one shown where Rei is the new kid in class and Misato is their hot teacher. In End, everyone dies and we're left with a possibly pregnant Asuka whom Shinji is trying to kill.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 10:55 pm

Naiera wrote:First I've ever heard of your little story.

I actually posted the same thing on a different topic, no more than a few months ago: http://forum.shmups.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2370

End and TV ending are two different endings, there's not much more to it. Call them alternate endings or whatever, but there's no doubt what the good ending is. In the TV ending Shinji gets to create whatever world he likes, like the one shown where Rei is the new kid in class and Misato is their hot teacher. In End, everyone dies and we're left with a possibly pregnant Asuka whom Shinji is trying to kill.

You've got to analyze the TV ending carefully, but there are definite parallels between the two, although it's not exactly conclusive, since there's still plenty of debate on it...in any event, Anno definitely didn't create EoE to spite the fans, since the script for it was finished along with the rest of the TV series. There should be sources on the 'net someplace if you look around.

Also, the "pregnant Asuka" theory has been widely debunked, along with the "Asuka at the end is actually a conglomerate of herself, Rei and Misato" theory. I think those might've come from the audio commentary, which NEVER should be relied upon for info.

Nuke · Post by **Nuke** » Wed Jul 20, 2005 11:00 pm

And RahXephon wasn't just a big dream or anything like it. There was no cop-out. Unless you like to call all endings cop-outs, just because they end, or something.

What I meant was it fixes everything by letting him: -Spoiler-

......dream up his own world. Hence a dream in reverse.

Zweihander · Post by **Zweihander** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 5:32 am

i haven't seen RahXephon, but a friend of mine has, and says if you watch RahX and then Eva, you'll understand Eva hella-easier.

LoneSage · Post by **LoneSage** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 6:25 am

well fudge, Best Buy just sold the last box set. guess I'll have to wait til they get a new one.

on a better note, I went to some Eva fan sites and discovered cooler stuff about teh Eva!

spoilers:

Rei's Eva must have had Ritsuko's mom's soul, that's why it attacked Gendou and was rejecting Rei. Man I love teh Eva.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 1:58 pm

LoneSage wrote:Rei's Eva must have had Ritsuko's mom's soul, that's why it attacked Gendou and was rejecting Rei. Man I love teh Eva.

Believe it or not, some fans are beginning to debunk that theory as well...I haven't read enough to know how they've come to the conclusions they have, but trust me, you wouldn't believe me if I told you who they DO think is in Eva-00, heh heh.

TalkingOctopus · Post by **TalkingOctopus** » Thu Jul 21, 2005 4:05 pm

BulletMagnet wrote:but trust me, you wouldn't believe me if I told you who they DO think is in Eva-00, heh heh.

Is it Michael Jackson?