. Rayforce, you're so fine you r0xx0rious my mind, how can I bring our affair to the next level baby?Yea, I am amazed myself. Frankly I developed a quasi antagonizing attitude toward Rayforce before I played it, because I have read so much hype about it. But the hype is justified, it is amazing. Some of the effects in this game is just mind boogling. I never thought this was possible in 2D. Well, technically I could guess how these were done, but I never thought it was feasible time-wise.roushimsx wrote:That was the first game I fired up in my Saturn once I got my ASCII Stick, and yea.. I got up to stage 5 like it was nothing. I remember back when I had trouble clearing stage 2... ahh yes... how times have changed
I'm amazed by how well the game holds up.
I thought it was Raystorm on the collection?LoneSage wrote:Last boss is a bitch, but I soon swooned her.
Really awesome game, I wonder how the emulation of it will be on that Taito collection.
Wow, this is probably one of the most ridiculous posts I've read recently. First off, in regards to the graphics, they're quite nice, nothing amazing, but get yourself an RGB cable and then come back and tell me about the graphics. Goofy soundtrack? You have no taste. Some of Zuntata's best work, the soundtrack is divine. The annoying lock-on system? You're on your own. One of the most brilliant shmup gameplay concepts ever devised. The large hitbox is part of the game and doesn't do anything to detract or enhance the game, unless of course you suck and then you probably would want a smaller hitbox. Controls are strange? Again, you're on your own. The controls are perfect and there is no auto-centering except a little at the beginning of level 2 when you get too close to the screen edge but there are no enemies around so what does it matter. Sorry, but your complaints are silly. Don't like the game, fine, but don't bash it for idiotic reasons.professor ganson wrote:Of all the shmups I own for the Saturn, Layer Section gets the least play. The 16-bit graphics, the goofy soundtrack, the annoying lock-on system, the huge hitbox, the odd controls (is there some kind of auto-centering going on at certain moments?) with veering background... I'm very glad I didn't spend much on this game. Yes, it can be satisfying because it's not terribly hard, but it is terribly annoying how most of my deaths are caused by the oversized hitbox and strange controls. I don't begin to understand what other people like about this game. Perhaps I need to give it more time to let it grow on me. But the more I play it, the more the music grates...
Ah, no, I don't mind. I just think that that prof Ganson has probably overlooked some aspect of the game, and so didn't enjoy it. Since it does seem that a lot of people do, and I enjoyed it thoroughly after trying it as a skeptic to evaluate how much does it stand up to the hype.BulletMagnet wrote:Nothing wrong with that, necessarily, but ragging on someone for not liking it (not that you've been doing that yourself, TGK, don't take this as an accusation or anything) is certainly unnecessary.
OK, sorry, my remarks on Layer Section were too strong. I was in a bad mood when I wrote them. On sober reflection I think at least one thing I said was off the mark. The control issues I mentioned don't have any impact on gameplay, so they really were not worth mentioning.Bar81 wrote: Wow, this is probably one of the most ridiculous posts I've read recently. First off, in regards to the graphics, they're quite nice, nothing amazing, but get yourself an RGB cable and then come back and tell me about the graphics. Goofy soundtrack? You have no taste. Some of Zuntata's best work, the soundtrack is divine. The annoying lock-on system? You're on your own. One of the most brilliant shmup gameplay concepts ever devised. The large hitbox is part of the game and doesn't do anything to detract or enhance the game, unless of course you suck and then you probably would want a smaller hitbox. Controls are strange? Again, you're on your own. The controls are perfect and there is no auto-centering except a little at the beginning of level 2 when you get too close to the screen edge but there are no enemies around so what does it matter. Sorry, but your complaints are silly. Don't like the game, fine, but don't bash it for idiotic reasons.
This pretty much describes exactly why I don't care for this game. Lock-on is nice and all, but it feels like I'm spending more time killing things with lock-on than I am with my normal shot. The only series to ever pull this off for me are the Panzer Dragoon games, and those aren't shmups anyway. Aside from that, I'd rather have direct shots be my main weapon, not just what I rely on when I miss a few enemies who flew up from the background.professor ganson wrote:Sure, the lock-on system is innovative, but I prefer how it is implemented in other games.
Argh, Taito redefined and set the standard for the use of graphical effects such as parallax, scaling and rotation with this game (1993, FFS!). Truly amazing IMO. Do play the game in TATE mode, otherwise some effects will be missing.professor ganson wrote:With respect to the graphics, my point is just that the game looks more like a Genesis than a Saturn shmup with respect to the level of detail, the number of sprites, and the artistic style. I assume this isn't a terribly controversial point, but it also doesn't count seriously against the game's quality. I guess I would say that the graphics are a bit underwhelming, not a big deal.
Yeah, I certainly wouldn't say it's too "weird" or "experimental" for me. Mostly it's just boring - and when it's not boring, it's annoying. Ugly melodies, bad sound choices, and really at odds with the game.sethsez wrote:And yeah, the music isn't loved by all. I think it's pretty ass, and one of Zuntata's worst efforts.
