PS3 Upscaling

[Seraphic]

Hey Fudoh (if you have time),

In your PS3 up-scaling overview, you said there is a 1.5 frame delay. Question: Does the PS3 delay the audio to match this? Also, does the delay change based on your output setting? I.E more delay for 1080p vs 480p output? And when you said the picture when using 1080p is too sharp. Why not use the smoothing setting? Or does the smoothing setting do something ("damage") to the picture too much? I was also interested to know, does the PS3 treat 240p PS1 games as such (or as 480i)?

Anyway, so when it comes down to it, outputting PS1 games as 480p with smoothing off is the "best" image you can achieve? If so, I wonder how it would look feeding into another upscaler like a FLAME MEISTER G2 (I am also interested to see how it will upscale true 480p PS2 games from a PS3).

[Fudoh]

Does the PS3 delay the audio to match this?

yes.

Also, does the delay change based on your output setting?

no.

Why not use the smoothing setting?

because the result's a blurry mess.

I was also interested to know, does the PS3 treat 240p PS1 games as such (or as 480i)?

since the games are software rendered and runnig in emulation, there no such thing as a 240p recognition, but to answer your question: 60fps 240p PS1 games are rendered correctly.

outputting PS1 games as 480p with smoothing off is the "best" image you can achieve?

depends on your taste. You can try various output resolutions to see what your TV's scaler makes out of it.

If so, I wonder how it would look feeding into another upscaler like a FLAME MEISTER G2 (I am also interested to see how it will upscale true 480p PS2 games from a PS3).

definitely not worth the effort for PS1 games, since you're quite flexible adjusting the output resolution on the PS3 already. 480p PS2 games look good if output in 480p, but there's nothing to gain compared to using a PS2 instead. 480i look mediocre and the PS3's upscaling for PS2 games isn't very good either.

[Seraphic]

Interesting... you really know your stuff. Does the delay change if smoothing is on or off? And does PS2 treat PS1 games as 240p or are they converted to 480i? And as you know, PS2 also has its on set of settings for PS1 games. Those being Smooth textures and Fast loads, which I take you would recommended leaving on default (off/normal speed)?

[Fudoh]

Does the delay change if smoothing is on or off?

maybe, but if yes, it's just another 10th of a millisecond - nothing you can feel.

And does PS2 treat PS1 games as 240p or are they converted to 480i?

No, PS2 outputs 240p just fine.

And as you know, PS2 also has its on set of settings for PS1 games.

you can use the fast loading unless you encouter any problems. There are only few games which make trouble this way.

[RGB32E]

If you set the output to 1080p the picture gets a bit too sharp.

Fudoh... that statement is a little misleading... It just does a pixel repeat (point sample scaling), which results in clean aliased pixels! If the PS3 performed some sort of sharpness/detail/edge enhancement, then it would be fair to say it's too sharp! Besides, you prefer scanlines and other softening features... to each their own!

[ShutokouBattle]

Personally I think the smoothing function looks fine. I prefer that to leaving it off. It's a matter of taste, but seeing each pixel as a sharp square is not really what it's like to play on a CRT, even over RGB.

I will tell you, 240p PS1 games and 480i PS2 games over component look great on a Sony PVM. It looks way better than anything you'll ever see on an LCD. But again, that's a matter of taste.

[SGGG2]

Definitely prefer the PS1 or 2 processed by the XRGB-3 for PS1 games. Scanlines add faux-detail to low-res titles and lots (but not all) look off without them.