What's the purpose of an HDFury to lessen input lag?

[Dizzy]

Why not just hook your console up with a single HDMI to VGA cable? Supposedly VGA is the quickest signal on an HDTV set right? So why not like I said just go HDMI to VGA instead of doing this HDMI cable to HDMI to DVI converter to DVI to VGA converter (HDFury)? Does an HDMI to VGA cable not produce HD 1080P or something? I just don't quite understand it. Would appreciate if someone can fill me in on some knowledge regarding this.

[fagin]

A "cable" won't transcode and that is what you need to do, to sucessfully convert a HDMI signal to VGA. VGA is analogue and HDM is digital.

HDFURY's are used for number of differing reasons, like limitations on HDMI inputs (older equipment), conversion to analogue for certain scalers, alter sync polarity on analogue outputs, remove HDCP encryption etc etc.

[neorichieb1971]

Most people use it for HDCP removal.

"High Definition Copyright Protection" is the reason HDMI exists in the first place. A one solution cable that restricts the use of copying 1080 material through 128 bit encryption. To convert HDMI to VGA you need that encryption broken and thats part of what HDfury does.

You have read in other places that a HDMI>DVI dongle doesn't work and you get a black screen. Thats because DVI rarely used to carry HDCP and therefore the screen would show a black screen.

Its a moot point nowadays. Blu rays are just as often copied as DVD's. For gamers, HDCP just represents a financial burden to get around.

Then again if HDCP was dropped altogether everyone would copy everything and recording HDMI devices would be everywhere. Effectively putting the industry solely in the cinema.

[Dizzy]

Which is why PS3 can't capture gameplay via HDMI. I believe Microsoft incoorporates HDCP a bit different on their Xbox 360's correct? As in it's only activated on certain material, but if you're just trying to capture game footage then it's de-activated. I'm not 100% sure on this, but I read that somewhere. I have a Black Magic Intensity Pro Shuttle cap card that's going to be supporting full 1080P @ 60fps in the near future (currently it's able to cap 1080P @30fps but 360 will only read it if it's @60fps). This is an entirely different subject though.

I'm wondering if I should pick one of these up then or not. I'm looking to reduce my minimal input lag that I am getting on my Sammy B650 Plasma. I have Game Mode set, and I know everybody says to turn the Sharpness down to 0 but my god does it look awful like that. Does the Sharpness feature on the TV really affect input lag? I hear a lot of people saying once Game Mode is flipped on it makes their TV's look like ass, mine's the opposite - it looks really really good with the following settings. Brightness: 45, Contrast: 95, Sharpness: 45, Dynamic Contrast: Medium, Gamma: -1, HDMI Black Level: Low - all the rest of the 'extras' I got turned off. This input lag thing is fairly new to me, I always swore I had it and there's no way certain things should of happened (COD) but I just ignored it. Up until I hooked my ladies Xbox up to my 27" 1080P Samsung monitor. Hooked it up via HDMI just as you would an HDTV. She's the one who noticed the difference after going from her Xbox to mine that was hooked up to my 50" Plasma - so I tried her box on the 27" and indeed I noticed it too an that was a final answer to that question I had if I was just trippin' or if there really was some input lag going on with my set.

I'm going to have to find out more about Xbox's HDCP and if I really can't capture game footage through HDMI then maybe one of them HDFury's would be a good idea to pick up.

[fagin]

Which is why PS3 can't capture gameplay via HDMI.

Yes you can....... very easily!

[Fudoh]

The 360 doesn't use HDCP for any gaming material. 100%.

Interesting to read about BMD's plans to support 1080p60 capture on the Shuttle. But there's little sense in doing this for 360 captures, since the internal res doesn't go much higher than 720p anyway. There's also the question why you would want to capture with 60fps as long as Youtube and all other platforms only support 30fps material.

[Zapf]

I've seen 60fps on some of youtubes and other websites livestreams. Kinda startling when you're used to seeing 30fps

[Dizzy]

The 360 doesn't use HDCP for any gaming material. 100%.

Interesting to read about BMD's plans to support 1080p60 capture on the Shuttle. But there's little sense in doing this for 360 captures, since the internal res doesn't go much higher than 720p anyway. There's also the question why you would want to capture with 60fps as long as Youtube and all other platforms only support 30fps material.

Well the Shuttle won't read a picture off the 360 unless it's set @ 60fps. So while the Shuttle supports 1080p @30fps at the moment, you can't get a picture through it until it's updated to support 60fps - which they're just waiting on fast enough USB 3.0 PCI-e cards that can handle it from what they're saying.

For some reason when I set my 360 down to 720P it increases input lag significantly, so that's why I'm waiting on that 1080P capture support.

[Fudoh]

So while the Shuttle supports 1080p @30fps at the moment, you can't get a picture

you're misinterpreting the 1080p30 format. 1080p30 is just 1080i60 with a 2:2 pulldown on the source's side.

[neorichieb1971]

So while the Shuttle supports 1080p @30fps at the moment, you can't get a picture

you're misinterpreting the 1080p30 format. 1080p30 is just 1080i60 with a 2:2 pulldown on the source's side.

Is that gospel? There is no such thing as 1080p30 native?

In the movie world its 24p. I'm pretty sure 1080p30 is a standard but never used.

[Fudoh]

1080p30 is a file standard, but it's not a transmission standard. There is no device which actually outputs 1080p30, unless it's just 1080i60 with matching fields.