Opinions on a couple of PCE shooters

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Opinions on a couple of PCE shooters

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I might buy a stack of PCE games off somebody, but I was wondering whether the shooters in the pack are actually any good. Maybe someone who has played them can report a little bit:

- Paranoia
- Cybercore
- Download
- Dead Moon
- Rock On

Perhaps somebody can price-estimate them too, that would be helpful, thanks! :)
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Only Dead Moon would I rate slightly above horrible, and even then it's not worth getting.

To be fair Cybercore runs buggy in Magicengine...though the gameplay seems to be intact (unfortunately. I bet Compile made it).
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OK, so they're all rubbish then. Are any of them worth anything in monetary terms, at least?

I'm sure Compile didn't make Cybercore, though. If they made it I would know about the game.
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If you like Compile you'll love Cybercore. It has their gameplay style, ie long stretches of sitting there doing nothing, with 5 enemies occasionally coming onscreen. Borefest.
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Cyber Core is good, Paranoia blows, and Download is meh. Then again, I really liked the shapeshifting abilities in Cyber Core...


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All of those games are pretty common, download probably being the least. Not worth much at all.
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Actually, I like them all, except for "Rock On"...I don't even know what that one is!

These shmups shouldn't cost more than $15 to $20 each. I good deal would be $10.00 each complete.

BTW: I can't remeber, but I seriously doubt Compile had anything to do with CyberCore. I could check, but I don't feel like firing up the Duo right now.
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Post by BrianC »

Telling from the title screen and game info, Cyber Core was made from IGS. The art style definatly doesn't seem to be Compile's.

Is what was said about long streches of nothing and 5 enemies in Compile games really true? This makes the games sound extremely dull, but I found a good amout of Compile games to be fast paced with well placed enemies and good amount of action. 5-6 enemies on screen isn't a bad number and the formations seemed to be well designed. Isn't that number typical of older shooters too?

Is the actual name of that game "Rock On"? Didn't someone mention a PCE "Lock On" in another post?
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Rock on is the real name of the game. It's so common it's hard NOT finding it when hitting up used video game stores in Japan.
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BrianC wrote:Is what was said about long streches of nothing and 5 enemies in Compile games really true?
No, that comment is just another example of random Compile hate, which some people on this board enjoy throwing into every other of their posts for no apparent reason.:roll:

Personally, I much prefer adding random Treasure hate to some of my posts occasionally. :wink: To each his own.
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Re: Opinions on a couple of PCE shooters

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OK:

Paranoia - Neat little R-Typish hori. A very well designed game and the art style rocks. Whoever made this had a great imagination!

Cyber Core - Dragon Spirit knockoff with an insect theme. Fun, but nothing special (and not as good as Dragon Spirit). Not at all like Compile - why are people saying that?

Download - Alright hori with a sort of "bade-runner" atmosphere. Pretty good, but there are many better games to occupy your time. The best part is the humorous "engrish" profanity between levels.

Dead Moon - Another derivative PCE hori! Lots of people bash it, but I kind of like it for some weird reason. Nothing really stands out about it.

Rock On - This game plays like one of those games that the computer geeks at my high school would cook up in their spare time. In terms of "low-budget", this game is right on par with Deep Blue. Great for some inexpensive comic relief.

All those games are fun enough that if you spend $15 or less apiece, you won't regret your purchase. You can always sell them later, right?
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Yeah, I agree with a lot of what Matt said. If you can get Paranoia, Dead Moon, or Download cheap, do it. They're all decently good. (I have a soft spot for Download for some reason... maybe the silly engrish cussing makes me like it or something.)

I haven't played Cyber-Core in years but I remember having some fun with it long ago. Rock On is bona-fide junk though. Avoid that one.

Anyone who complains about a lack of enemies in Compile games has never played one past level 1. Go play Zanac (yes, even the first one, the 64k fits-on-one-side-of-a-Famicom-disc one) and tell me there aren't many enemies or bullets.
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Well, none of them are masterpieces, BUT...

Paranoia is the best of the bunch, if for only the art direction. It's kind of eccentric in style, but if you like a unique experience, that is the title to get.

Dead Moon is another semi-decent title. I liked the intro, it was a knock-off of the title scene to the first Terminator movie.

On the other end of the spectrum, Rock On made me gag a bit...
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Gah... 2 years ago, I literally found a HuCard of Paranoia lying in the middle of the grass field where I was walking.

Remembering it now, I regert not picking it up...
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Re: Opinions on a couple of PCE shooters

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matt wrote:Dead Moon - Another derivative PCE hori! Lots of people bash it, but I kind of like it for some weird reason. Nothing really stands out about it.
The parallax on the lunar surface in stage 3 really impressed me the first time I saw it. Other than that, Matt's right - nothing special.

Cyber Core is pretty cool. Most of the bosses are great, and figuring out which bio form works best in different situations can be a nice challenge. This happens to be one of the games I'm selling in my Duo sale thread. I'll let it go for cheap if you (or anyone else) is interested.

The others I've only dabbled with briefly using MagicEngine. Paranoia is the only one I'd be willing to spend some time mastering, though.
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Herr Schatten wrote:
BrianC wrote:Is what was said about long streches of nothing and 5 enemies in Compile games really true?
No, that comment is just another example of random Compile hate, which some people on this board enjoy throwing into every other of their posts for no apparent reason.:roll:
Cyber Core - Dragon Spirit knockoff with an insect theme. Fun, but nothing special (and not as good as Dragon Spirit). Not at all like Compile - why are people saying that?
Well maybe I did lay it on just a little thick

Still, their games are boring as hell

Wish I had something non-troll to say on the subject :lol:

Still, I think even you old skoolers can agree...Fire Shark for example bumped up to hard shits all over Blazing Lazers any day of the week.

Eh, back to the aforementioned games :oops:
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Paranoia is great I think.

Cybercore is decent.
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Umm, Neon, you do know that Blazing Lazers is also much harder on higher difficulty settings, right? The difficulty settings in Blazing Lazers may be hidden, but the code is extremely easy (just hold I and II on full turbo and select at the same time before the title screen, press select to change difficulty after holding the buttons down enough, and hold select and start to exit the screen) and the extra difficulty modes do make a huge difference.
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Post by kidneythief »

PCE basically sucks, the shooters are mediocre at best and there isn't a decent one among the lot of them. NES is a better place to look unless you're a smelly fat hardcore collector without a wife or girlfriend or pet dog or anything.
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kidneythief wrote:NES is a better place to look
HAHA, HAHAHAHA

oh god.

NES >> PCE as far as shmups go? What was it somebody said in another thread, "blue ribbon comedy" right there.
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Post by Rob »

Paranoia/Psychosis is the best of the lot. You'll want to get Paranoia because it's just not the same without the alien's "fuck you" mumble between stage.
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Ghegs wrote:
kidneythief wrote:NES is a better place to look
HAHA, HAHAHAHA

oh god.

NES >> PCE as far as shmups go? What was it somebody said in another thread, "blue ribbon comedy" right there.
This dude is on the wind up

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NES is far superior to the TG16 in every possible way imaginable. The exception would be the CD extension to the TG16 with CD audio. The graphics are nothing great, and the games are bullshit.
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kidneythief wrote:NES is far superior to the TG16 in every possible way imaginable. The exception would be the CD extension to the TG16 with CD audio. The graphics are nothing great, and the games are bullshit.
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Wow... :lol:
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Post by kidneythief »

It's okay if you disagree, maybe you've just never actually _played_ a TG16 game.

A few of the more hyped TG games are of course

Star Soldier <--- Sucks

Blazing Lasers <--- Big stinker

Bloody Wolf <--- Utter bullcrap

And the list continues on like that for a long time. I'd rather play some cheap 80s era handheld Space Invaders than any of those.

Oh yeah, I'd like to point out the title of this thread... The keyword is "opinions" and I offered mine, though it wasn't explicitly stated that they are opinions. I've spent HOURS playing shooters on my NES, and couldn't stand more than 6 minutes at a time on my buds turbografx back in the days of yore. That's just how it was, yo.
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kidneythief wrote: Star Soldier <--- Sucks
I agree with kidneythief here.

After all, it _is_ an NES game. :)

Its sequel, Super Star Soldier, is much better.
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you know what I mean :p On the other hand I never played the NES prequel to the mediocre TG game so I can't say anything about the superior version

Oh and I will say one good thing about the TG, it had a good home version of R-Type, but that's not what people tend to adore it for.
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Post by al138 »

Oh, oh! May I feed the troll, now? :D
kidneythief wrote:Oh yeah, I'd like to point out the title of this thread... The keyword is "opinions" and I offered mine, though it wasn't explicitly stated that they are opinions.
But you didn't even bother giving your opinion about the games the topic creator mentioned. Therefore, it was more of an off topic statement than an opinion. You may call it what you wish, though. :)
I've spent HOURS playing shooters on my NES, and couldn't stand more than 6 minutes at a time on my buds turbografx back in the days of yore. That's just how it was, yo.
Please add the the use of the term "yo" at the end of a sentence to your public service announcement signature. I think your use of it tells us all a great deal about where this "opinion" is coming from.
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I was however giving opinions about a handful of popular shooters (bloody wolf is somewhat of a shooter, perhaps not by HARD CORE SHMUP NERD standards :P) and how the whole system is somewhat over rated.
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kidneythief wrote:I was however giving opinions about a handful of popular shooters (bloody wolf is somewhat of a shooter, perhaps not by HARD CORE SHMUP NERD standards :P) and how the whole system is somewhat over rated.
That's nice, but in case you didn't notice, he didn't ask about the ones you listed. Read the initial post and say something constructive (either positive or negative), or say nothing at all.
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