GameFAQs rocks.

mannerbot · Post by **mannerbot** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:06 pm

So I was casually browsing various forums, and look at this wonderful thread I found, created by our very own ianteH.

http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmes ... c=21367900

freddiebamboo · Post by **freddiebamboo** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:34 pm

An innocent statement, followed by 6 pages of flaming

Now THATS a forum

steveovig · Post by **steveovig** » Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:44 pm

I actually don't mind gamefaqs. Where else are you gonna find a board for almost any game out there.

Post by **system11** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:51 am

Damn. We should shut this forum down now - I can probably get a partial discount on the hosting. There's no way in hell we can compete with that quality

Thunder Force · Post by **Thunder Force** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:40 am

I wish every MAME user went to prison

Specineff · Post by **Specineff** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:47 am

LOL. Yeah, we can sleep safer knowing that while there are people who wouldn't hesitate to murder our children because of their twisted view of religion, them rom thieves are rotting away in a dark cell, surviving on stale bread and tap water. With calcium and magnesium in it.

Talking about having a stick up the bum, that guy. lol

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:55 am

I know... what have I done?!?!? I didn't mean for it to erupt into something like that...

It's such a rare event that the topic lasted so long though, usually topics die in 0 to 3 posts after my first post in them.

I also create around 1 topic every couple of months if there is something I absolutely must tell the world

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:45 am

"Elite" GameFaqs Kiddo's...are the worst kind!

MAME is actually HELPING the PCB industry far more than it "hurts" it.
Oh well, I may as well try and describe colors to a blind person.

MAME is cool, but PCB"s Rule!... and poor console ports drool.

judesalmon · Post by **judesalmon** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:12 am

I posted there and I'll post here too:

Buying PCBs doesn't actually make the developer any money.

Unless you are buying BRAND NEW kits from the supplier (how many can afford this?), then the company who made the game get no money from your purchase - most buy second-hand PCBs, so the developers have already got their cash from the original sale of the kits to arcades/suppliers.

Hence, MAME doesn't cost developers money as you can't get the brand-new games on it.

russ · Post by **russ** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:43 pm

Be careful, it seems they've thought this kind of stuff through and really know what they're talking about, and are quite intimidating to top it off: "Do you wear a pirate outfit when you are playing games?" You also might want to consider taking some advice from their "resident SuperGun expert."

Well, I'm gonna try to squeeze in another game of Battle Bakraid on MAME before the next load of laundry - my pirate costume has some stains from when I spilled that beer while downloading the newest wave of Adobe products from IRC last weekend.

iatneH · Post by **iatneH** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:36 pm

At least it's all in good fun here.

I have to admit that if it weren't for MAME, I wouldn't have become such a nut too.
I actually contemplated building a MAME cabinet for a while, but I think I like working with electronics more than I like building computers so that's partially why I went the supergun way. Plus starting this year I'm buying a lot of original games, so I want to have at least one original game (and a shooter no less) for each system I have.

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:53 pm

judesalmon wrote:I posted there and I'll post here too:

Buying PCBs doesn't actually make the developer any money.

Unless you are buying BRAND NEW kits from the supplier (how many can afford this?), then the company who made the game get no money from your purchase - most buy second-hand PCBs, so the developers have already got their cash from the original sale of the kits to arcades/suppliers.

Hence, MAME doesn't cost developers money as you can't get the brand-new games on it.

Exactly. The exact same thing applies to used games as well, but very few people think about it.

I love Gamefaqs for the, well, faqs, but the forums are worthless except for boards dedicated to obscure import-only RPGs.

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:37 pm

WTH is wrong with Gamefaqs? Every topic that has more than 10 replys on it when I click on, I get a blank page.

Damocles · Post by **Damocles** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:43 pm

FatCobra wrote:WTH is wrong with Gamefaqs? Every topic that has more than 10 replys on it when I click on, I get a blank page.

Scroll down.

FatCobra · Post by **FatCobra** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:46 pm

Damocles wrote:
FatCobra wrote:WTH is wrong with Gamefaqs? Every topic that has more than 10 replys on it when I click on, I get a blank page.
Scroll down.

Oops, silly me.

Gamefaqs is retarded in design sometimes.

roushimsx · Post by **roushimsx** » Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:47 pm

Cthulhu wrote:[quote="judesalmon"Hence, MAME doesn't cost developers money as you can't get the brand-new games on it.

Exactly. The exact same thing applies to used games as well, but very few people think about it.[/quote]

Totally agreed. I love bringing that up in discussions about piracy. Pirating a game doesn't indicate a lost sale just like downloading a cd doesn't indicate a lost sale. Buying the cd/game second hand DOES indicate a lost sale and the only person that makes any money off of the transaction is the second hand seller.

Therefore, companies should quit putting in that copy protection bullshit and start cracking down on those shady black market game places, like Gamestop, EBGames, and Ebay.

Tangent: I bought Scrapland for PC and then found out it had Starforce (thankfully before I installed it). Right now I'm looking at picking up the Xbox version second hand so that I won't have to install the PC version

raiden · Post by **raiden** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:51 am

Totally agreed. I love bringing that up in discussions about piracy. Pirating a game doesn't indicate a lost sale just like downloading a cd doesn't indicate a lost sale. Buying the cd/game second hand DOES indicate a lost sale and the only person that makes any money off of the transaction is the second hand seller.

I think it´s a little more complicated. You assume people buying 2nd hand software would pay full price for a new product, while people pirating clearly don´t. But that´s just an interpretation. Buying decisions can depend on prices, and there might just as well be people who would buy a new game for $30 new, but it costs $50, they can´t find it 2nd hand, and they resort to pirating, like there can be people who will buy a game used for $10, but if they can´t get it for that price, they resort to piracy, while they might buy it new if it were availlable for $20 new. Then there are people who would pay more than the retail price an item is sold for, but don´t have to because the price is as it is. These things are connected.

Also, games aren´t only property of their developer, they are also a kind of property of the people who buy them. By installing things like download services and DRM, the developers are essentially taking these property rights away from their customers.

Regarding the influence of emulation on software sales, I´d say there are two sides to the coin. Most people won´t have experienced all arcade (or other) games in their original form, and the percentage is even rising as time passes. So there is an advertising effect, because almost no one will buy an arcade board unknown to him for the price they are sold for, and less demand (which would occur if there were no emulation, because a growing majority wouldn´t even know most of the games) would lower prices. There is also a large number of people not willing to put up with the hassle involved in playing arcade games, who either emulate or don´t play at all.
But there are also people who say something like "I don´t need a Taito Collection for PS2 because all the games are emulated already". There are people selling off their old console collections to buy an Xbox and emulate everything on it, driving prices down. When I buy a Megadrive or N64 game on ebay nowadays, there are several I can get for €1+shipping. That´s about 2% of the original price. I have a hard time believing such extreme price drops would have occured without emulation.

This problem is very deep and can almost be considered the core problem of the game industry as a whole: how to handle games that have become history? For an industry to function as an industry, there has to be a constant demand for new products. People content with playing old games again and again are a disturbing factor to the business model at hand. So you can almost say that games with such a replay value making them timeless classics are actually a "mistake", from an industry point of view. The sooner they become forgotten, the better for current game sales. And emulation is a force fighting against this oblivion. For a medium to become a significant part of culture, it has to have a history. Therefore, disregarding emulation because it might hurt sales in some ways is actually short-sighted, there is more at hand.

TWITCHDOCTOR · Post by **TWITCHDOCTOR** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:03 am

I'm going to KILL the video game industry as we know it!!!!!!

I'm gonna download every single Atari 2600VCS game I can find!

OmegaFlareX · Post by **OmegaFlareX** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:17 am

This thread is funny because I'm torrenting the entire GoodNES set right now.

Quick, someone get me a pirate hat.

TVG · Post by **TVG** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:22 am

bloodflowers wrote:Damn. We should shut this forum down now - I can probably get a partial discount on the hosting. There's no way in hell we can compete with that quality

there was debates of this caliber in the old forum, mr admin.

and in case you cant tell, the whole topic is one idiot making inane statements, everyone flaming him and one dude making a funny satire. still cant believe someone takes mikehaggar seriously, but eh, internet people are genually bad at detecting sarcasm.

Dylan1CC · Post by **Dylan1CC** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:49 am

Gamefaqs peeps seem so uncivil I'd think they'd be "pirate warz roxorZ!!!!" all the way. I haven't read much of the thread but that "Mike Haggar" kid seems like a real whiner. "Ohhh, why don't you wear your 'pirate hat' and eye ptach when you play your games!!!" What an overzealous little nerd.

Cthulhu · Post by **Cthulhu** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:49 am

OmegaFlareX wrote: Quick, someone get me a pirate hat.

If you were a real pirate you'd just download one and screw over the hatmakers.

bluberry · Post by **bluberry** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:52 am

I added my less-than-pertinent two cents to the topic.

Post by **BulletMagnet** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:54 am

russ wrote:"Do you wear a pirate outfit when you are playing games?"

Not that there's anything wrong with that!

"Wooden legs...wooden arms...wooden EYES, too!"

(A hearty handshake to whomever can identify that quote.)

neorichieb1971 · Post by **neorichieb1971** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:59 am

I think anyone that cannot afford gaming should be able to sample it for free. Just as long as when they can afford it they give something back.

The variety on offer is overwhelming us though, there are about 25 games I would like to look into but I am not paying $50 each for them.

Gaming life shouldn't be about envy as it is with houses, sports cars and women. Gaming is about getting socially involved, sharing and challenge and everyone should get a piece of it.

Piracy is somewhat tollerated as it keeps peeps off the streets at night that could be stealing your car.

What annoys me is when someone pays $600 for a modded Xbox with a 1 gig HD and does absolutely nothing for the industry. That is the lowest form of pirate you can get.

Vexorg · Post by **Vexorg** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:17 am

I'm reaady for some MAME... How about everyone else?

russ · Post by **russ** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:20 am

BulletMagnet wrote:
russ wrote:"Do you wear a pirate outfit when you are playing games?"
Not that there's anything wrong with that!

"Wooden legs...wooden arms...wooden EYES, too!"

(A hearty handshake to whomever can identify that quote.)

I don't remember that quote, but here's a good one. Names are filled in, so it should be easy.

Quagmire: "So, were you like in an accident or something?"
Shamus: "No, me father was a tree."

crithit5000 · Post by **crithit5000** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:29 am

BulletMagnet wrote:
russ wrote:"Do you wear a pirate outfit when you are playing games?"
Not that there's anything wrong with that!

"Wooden legs...wooden arms...wooden EYES, too!"

(A hearty handshake to whomever can identify that quote.)

Rocko's Modern Life???

judesalmon · Post by **judesalmon** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:23 am

Emulation having a negative sale on retro games has NO affect on the videogames industry whatsoever.

Danny · Post by **Danny** » Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:18 am

Well these dumb ass kids don't understand is that if it were not for "underground popularity" of MAME companies like SNK (as well as many of the old arcade game producing compaines from back in the day) would of never returned to pump out endless volumes of their back catalouge on the current gen systems and would of simply have just faded away.

Those kids can bitch and moan all they like, but emulating games is what actualy helps me (and many other people) make my choices in what games to go out and buy next for example I would of never of gotten my hands on a MINT copy of Magical Drop 3 Delux (comes with a copy of magical drop 1+) on the PSX if I've never played the game so damn much on MAME. Because I was that addicted to it, I serched all over the next to buy one but I finaly did and I have to say the PSX is better. (it's the japanese version translated in to english, awsome stuff!) Anyway I doubt Data East are going to complain about me emulating their stuff, they no longer exsist anymore

I bet most of those people in that room are final fantasy fan boys, what's the bet that they would of never even herd of ealier, off-beat square games like chrono trigger or secert of mana if it's were not for emu's like Zsnes because they are to young to remember the game when it came out the first time around?

These poeple apear to have little interlect and have ovsioulsy not considered with "bigger picture"... Many people want to play the classics they enjoyed when they were young but now can't because their local arcades have replaced "the classics" with games like Tekken 5 *YUK!*. They are faced with a choice, either spend what limited cash they have on loads of arcade boards and a phantom on converter or Emulate them on MAME and hope that the company responable will one day release an"retro pack" containing that game, only the second option really helps the creator of that video game make any money while helping people who actualy give a damn about that particular video game in general to actualy "legaly" play the game that they adored when they are young and still do even to this day. (although saying that I'm not diss'ing arcade board owners because that's also a very noble thing to do, but not everyone has the cash to splash out on the genuine artical if you get my drift!)

EDIT: My applogies if this sounds like me "flamming", I just hate it when people say that emu's are killing gaming can tar all people who use emu's as "priates" when in fact emulation is helping the industry bring back those long forgotten classics back in our local video gaming stores because now retro is cool and guess who was respeonable for that?